Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Hmm... willpower is inherent, but it is also mental and going off how werewolves work they should keep it. Yeah sure they can keep the highest of the two
Whatever you think best. I can live with either option. In one case I get 5 more points to play with (because there's no point in raising combat form's willpower), on the other we get Willpower 10 combat form when upgraded to 5 dots. How would temporary willpower dots work? Separate tracks or a single track?
Your design is great and should get used, but maybe for Isabella or a future circle member instead?
Maybe. Given how it works, an artist of some kind would be the ideal user. I am tempted to make it for Harry, really. And he'd appreciate a comic book artefact. He would be good with it. Even if his head is already crowded.
Still a lot of mundane obligations and mental trauma to deal with. Not a good plan to take someone like that into high stress situations.
True. And way too low Willpower.

Also, see the combat form splendor I made above. If we go all in, make Daniel a sword and the combat form charm. That turns him into a combat monster on par with Molly (possibly on par with Molly's shintai form even). Str 8, Dex 7, Melee 5, bonus soak and soaking agg. at DC 4. At this point he can safely go adventure with us.
 
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It's not linking. It's building a splendor with the mortal as a core component. And, again, I said that yes, it would be possible to steal. But in stealing, the splendor is likely to break, and the effort to steal and keep the splendor working is unlikely to be worth it.

And even if it can be stolen, frankly, so what? Almost everything can be stolen, taken, broken, re-purposed and twisted. It's not a reason not to empower mortals.
The QM has ruled on this now.

As far as I know "to use force on the third party" is usually interpreted to be immediate threat. I.e. if someone in a pub says "yeah, I'm going to finish my drink and go shoot my wife", you are not allowed to shoot them in defense of said wife, even if you have all reason to believe that they are serious.
Yes?
Madrigal Raith was the initiator of lethal combat, not Molly.
And when Molly restrained him non-lethally, he retaliated with a near-lethal magik before she popped his head off.

I fail to see how anything here does other than buttress my point.
It wouldnt quite be open and shut in a human investigation, but this wouldnt make it to trial.

Not all legitimate organizations have absolute and unlimited rights in regards to their members. A corporation has a legal right to fire their employee, and you can sign a legally binding contract with an organization under the assumption that should the employee of said organization breaches it, they'll be fired, and fined and perhaps sued. You do not need to assume that the organization has a right to kill their members in order to enter binding agreements with them.
All of this is irrelevant. These are not hypotheticals.

Molly recognized the White Court as a legitimate organization when she signed a non-aggression treaty. She doubled down on this when she called them after agents associated with the Court attempted to kill people under her protection, affirming that they had the right and capability and responsibility to police their own.

She acquired a copy of the Accords from Mac's asserting that they are generally recognized as their own nationstate.
Thats a fact of the setting.

The sentence exists. You can try and twist it as much as you want, but it still exists, and means one thing and one thing only - MiM affects mortals. Not all affects of MiM activate when we kill mortals, but some are.
The sentence exists in a context.
You can insist on talking about it in a vacuum, but that was not how it was written, nor does it appear to be the intent.

Splendors are made of the shadows and tatters of the Age of Legends, they are at their core designed to be used by Exalts. Now there are exceptions to that as @Yog showed, but these things still use Essence in some form. What adding the element that lets mortals handle them does is put in a very crude version of the Essence conversion engine in Molly's soul.

So does that mean that anyone can steal those? No since this is still soul sorcery and an Exalt, most often the maker, has to attune this thing to the mortal who will use it. In order to steal it you would have to counterfeit that which is not easy because you have to work with Essence which most things in this world do not. From Molly's perspective they work with denatured Essene byproducts (be it life-force; wizard magic, Chi etc...). She does not have a precise bead on this, but she suspects the standard for being able to mess with a Splendor is 'Fey Queen/Angel/Jade court Arhat', the thing is things that you can legitimately call godlike, beings that are not just powerful but old enough they might remember quite a lot of the past turnings of the Wheel.

The Fifth Age is coming to a close and these are marvels of the Second.
Your ruling. I do have to point out that doesnt really narrow the field down very much though.

Off the top of my head, thats every member of the Denarian order with a willing Fallen, a bunch of old gods, dragons and the like, a good section of Yomi Wan (not all; Im pretty sure Mikaboshi and the Wicked City werent around back then, though Mikaboshi might have traded for or acquired lore on the period since then), everyone with the ability to summon and bargain with Outsiders or demons from Lucy's Hell, and potentially anyone linked with the Neverborn.

And thats just counting the Dresden Files part of this crossover + Kindred of the East.
If other crossover elements come in, it expands. Hell, given that we know there's repositories of lore in Yomi Wan, there may well be people who werent there but have the knowledge to work with it. Or wherever the Neverborn languish.

This just ends with us kneecapping ourselves by not using our abilities. In the end the best we can do is make the security a cast iron bitch to get through and make examples of anyone who tries.
These arent being held by Molly though; they are being given to people weaker and less resilient than she is.

The point is always whether the juice is worth the squeeze.
There's a balance to be met between useful enough to be given out and make a difference but not valuable enough to pull an unending series of top-tier interlopers.

Think Thanos coming for the Soul Stone; he wouldnt have gotten out of bed for an Iron Man suit, or even MewMew.

Mechanics are that you're harvesting power from something to get that free lunch.
My assumption so far has been that the targets we get essence from are the ones big enough to sink our teeth into, and that all other qualifying opponents who don't basically get scarred up as scrape by Molly's spiritual teeth.

Or maybe a better metaphor would be solid vs. liquid; you can chew on ice, but not on a gulp of water. If you try you'll still swallow some, if you do it with your mouth open you're going to spill most of it.

It doesn't explicitly say it kills their souls, so it could go either way, but the charm is getting power from somewhere and unlike many others this one specifies that it's the target providing it everywhere else. Seems reasonable to me that everyone on the other side of MiM is worse off somehow than they would be if we didn't activate it.

Not that it really matters; the point of the charm is that if we want something dead it stays out of the game after we kill it. As long as the target doesn't come back it doesn't matter if we had to force the issue or if they're good sports about it and stay on the bench without our interference.
Harvesting power? Yes, no question. Destroying a soul? Thats more questionable in this cosmology.

I mean, the text of the charm as written is that it condemns the target to a particular Hell, either Boiling Oil or your own personal Hell. The QM houseruled it so that it just gets rid of the target so we dont have to worry about potentially sending them to a Yama King and strengthening an enemy.

The intent is that the target doesnt come back, thats all.
 
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Arc 8 Post 43: Product Testing and Prophecy
Product Testing and Prophecy

18th of November 2006 A.D.

Ruthlessly burying the part of you that wants to say 'Hi Santa' because being and adult means knowing when not to have fun you instead offer a consummately professional smile and stretch out a hand. "I did not know my request would merit such high attention but I am glad for the meeting Mr. Vadderung."

"Such artistry and skill demands no less of one in whose service it is placed," His grip is firm and dry, filled with carefully calculating strength without making this into a contest as you expect some of his sons might do. "I have to confess to ulterior motives as well, but let us perform the tests first and see what wonder you have wrought."

Flames fan out from his hand aiming at the first van you upgraded, first red the orange, yellow and finally blue as his eye. You feel as much as see the wards buckle, though just as you had planned they do not give out all at once but instead allow some of the heat to leak though. Something tells you the kind of soldiers who will use this thing will be able to take the heat.

Donar Vadderung snaps his fist closed as the two of you move to observe the damage. The vehicle is still a vehicle and not a lump of melted steel and composite as it might have been without the wards, though sadly both of the tires had burst from the heat, not enough downward projection.

Lightning of course does about as much good as a feather duster, it is already a Faraday Cage, all the magic has to do is enforce the nature of electricity to be grounded while pure concussive force, what he calls 'thunder' moves it around more than it damages the vehicle. Again the tires prove the weak link when they all pop ten seconds into the ice test.

"A moment," you raise a hand as he is about to move on with the rest.

Tools in the shape of a claw whose curved pinions are welding flames you burn the golden runes on each of the hubcaps. It's a little better, but "Anti-gravity would solve so many problems..."

"And create entirely new ones which we cannot now guess," the one eyed man says. "I have watched men at war for many an age and there is no panacea in battle anymore than in sickness." So saying he snaps his fingers and flame not blue blue but white jumps from them snapping the wards in an instant.

Essence flame, is your first thought, you know of nothing else that can burn so hot, but the more you look into the heart of that brightness eyes straining, the more you realize that is not quite true. Essence is impersonal, primordial, pure in self-contained symmetry, this is more like the essence of the caster and him alone, the body's ability to sire offspring, the mind's creative genius, the soul's fire.

Souls are nearest to Essence, the notion drags its shadow with it. That is why I get so much of it when I eat one.

"That seems a bit much," you offer, trying not to look impressed. Alas the gleam in that singular eye makes it clear he is not fooled

"I could teach you," he offers softly, temptation whispering in your ear. "Your soul is certainly potent enough. You already cast it along the edge of your blade, all you would have to do is learn to let go in such a way as to empower your works."

"The vehicle wasn't harmed," you challenge, even though you know why that was. Soulfire cannot destroy, that is what keeps it from being Essence though it can seemingly transform a set of wards from functional to non-functional if one has enough control

Discovered Path of Soulfire
● Soul Sheen: the magician invests a spark of Soulfire into their creations filling them with creative genius Cost up to 3 Essence to convert each point of Essence into an Automatic success in any magical crafting project. If the Exalt does not have enough Essence they may take levels of 'Virtual' Aggravated damage instead. This damage does not inflict penalties but will kill if one of them fills the final square in the Health Track
●● ???
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"It is open to attack, though all things told that would be a rare power indeed among what did you call them? Amateurs?" His gaze bores into yours no no way hampered by the fact that he has only half as much to go around. "Let us divest of the notion that either of us are that, that you are merely skilled, merely powerful, merely lucky. For those like you there is no luck but what you make of it and you have walked the path most deftly. One has only to ask Mab of Meave's recovery to hear her sing your praises. You laugh, but it is so, even if the voice in which the praise is spoken is cold as grinding Ice. You have been reactive so far and it has served you well for the foes you have made were minded to underestimate a maiden new to power. That will not be the case for now and partly my own doing. When you shall be called to aid in battle it will be no skirmish, but the opening battle in the war for the fate of the world The Wheel turns, an end is coming, perhaps an age beyond it, though there are many powers arrayed to ensure it never comes to be. You will need allies not just of bargain made and bargain kept but blood sworn. One you have you will need more."

How does Molly react?

[] Annoyance, you did not ask for his advice

[] Acceptance, you always knew you were going to be a target and you are working on getting allies in your own way

[] Fear, even the implication of more powers like yours abroad and loose fills you with dread. What might be done with them by one less restrained than you are?

[] Write in


OOC: Odin likes you enough to hand out a free warning, those are not common.
 
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Can we have some solars please. We need people to keep up with molly.


Also if the war for existence is starting and it is going hot by unleashing exalted. Then we need to acquire the fundamental infrastructure of the internet and create a god of the net, before someone else can.

I am willing to burn on of our favours to mab for that. Acquire control of global internet infrastructure.
 
[X] Acceptance, you always knew you were going to be a target and you are working on getting allies in your own way
-[X] Stunt: They feel close already

Am I shamelessly foreshadowing us getting our own hell?

Yes.
 
I on the other hand do not want any more Exalted. Lydia is a nightmare to keep track of as is.

Narritively, I also like Molly being special. Because if other Celestials, let alone Solars are around, she becomes less special.
 
Ruthlessly burring the
burning
means knowing when not to have fu you instead offer a consummately professional smile
fun,
Donar Vadderung snaps his fist closed the two of
close and?
"A moment," you raise a hand as he is about to move on with the rests.
rest
"I have watched men at war for many an age and there is panacea in battle anymore than in sickness."
no? panacea
pure in serf-contained symmetry,
self
You already cast is along the edge of your blade,
it not is
How do does Molly react?
 
I on the other hand do not want any more Exalted. Lydia is a nightmare to keep track of as is.

Narritively, I also like Molly being special. Because if other Celestials, let alone Solars are around, she becomes less special.
My thoughts as well.

Also, the last thing the world needs is even one malevolent Exalt running around making shit worse than it already is.
 
While the Great Curse is gone, it's still a matter of humans being granted vast power, not everyone will be as concerned as Molly is about the consequences of her actions impacting mortals.

There will be people who want to be God Kings.
 
[X] Acceptance, you always knew you were going to be a target and you are working on getting allies in your own way
-[X] Stunt: They feel close already
 
I on the other hand do not want any more Exalted. Lydia is a nightmare to keep track of as is.

Narritively, I also like Molly being special. Because if other Celestials, let alone Solars are around, she becomes less special.
I mostly agree, but would really like to get a Sidereal in the party. They are special in a very different way.
 
[X] Acceptance, you always knew you were going to be a target and you are working on getting allies in your own way
-[X] Stunt: They feel close already
 
To be fair, most exalts won't grow as quickly as us. PCs get accelerated XP rates even among exalted. Because creation was full of centuries old exalted that weren't elder essence which they would have easily got if they had a even a fraction of a PCs XP rate.


Narratively most exalted won't faces the challanges that we did and as a result won't grow as quickly. If they do they will become visible to us easily as their actions will have ripples just like ours will.
 
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