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Propably an American thing honestly.
You know that people most likely mean "What would Jesus, the Good Man, do", not "What would Jesus, who is God, do"?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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You know that people most likely mean "What would Jesus, the Good Man, do", not "What would Jesus, who is God, do"?
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that thing is super cursed.
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I mean the darkhallow can make someone a peer to mab with enough sacrifices. In sheer power that is. So ehhhh.
I can see that. My thought was less that Daniel would be doing stealth stuff than that the sword emanation would do things around him from it.
Like manifesting out of sight and sneaking off to physical assist him with something or surprise attack various targets.
To make the baseline kit work it needs to have the highest int, perception, awareness, and occult as possible with a decent bit of brawl + dex following that.
Swapping stealth for this:
Would let us take perception and intelligence up to 6 dots, which would be very helpful.
It might even be worth axing the expanded senses too, and going whole hog on core mechanics.
Set that to either Occult for divination or awareness for spotting oracular ability triggers. With the baseline skill input and bonus points from expertise if we dropped flight as well it could have divine favor for both and get each one to 6 dots without screwing over the point supply for its other skills.
Flight is very useful, but compared to a 12 dice pool on both of the most basic actions it needs to fill there's an argument to be made that it doesn't measure up.
Specializing one way or the other work out well too.
Take integrated weapons, expertise, 2 X superior mind, and divine favor.
Per the base rules for a 4 dot Arcana all attributes start at 1and we can split up to 7 between the mental ones if we set it as primary.
With 5 dots of mental attributes to allocate from 2 purchases of SM, we definitely take intelligence and perception up to 7 dots. A shame to leave wits at 1 when it's also potentially superhuman, but maybe it can earn exp or something and work on it.
Use base ability points to set awareness and occult to 3 dots, then pick on for divine favor and take it to 6 with expertise. Use the balance to bring the other and brawl up to 5.
I'm going to just pick occult here since it's something it'll use more actively and that Daniel needs cover on anyway.
which leaves us with:
perception 7 + awareness 5 = 12
Intelligence 7 + Occult 6 = 13
Actually, this is clearly better since the lower is the same as doing it the other way.
Especially since it gets us 3 5+ abilities without actually dipping into the emanation's freebie supply.
On the limiter stuff, it's already sort of protected:
You can't steal a splendor, the owner has to give it away on purpose or you have to murder them yourself and harvest it from their corpse.
This would be further complicated by the emanation being alive and in our hell most of the time. Their loyalty can be transferred, but not stolen except in the sense that you might seduce someone to your side normally.
Killing Daniel for it would probably result in an angry sword-god who has to do what you say but isn't prohibited from lying or omitting things. If you're relying on it to provide overwatch/insight into what you should be doing right now that's a very risky place to be.
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Once again I love lydia giving no shits about death. Shes really the type to go why would I fear death and doesn't even know why she needs to ask that.
Lydias totally an enabler. I also have the feeling shes the type to help her friends bury a dead body and ask no questions.
Lydias totally an enabler. I also have the feeling shes the type to help her friends bury a dead body and ask no questions.
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I hadn't thought of that, though it doesn't quite work like you're implying here.
Splendors have a cap, they only go to 5 dots. So you can't just keep buying more options past a certain point.
However, this is also an Arcana. Specifically an emanation we'd be implementing with god crafting, which makes it a pseudo-demon god exclusively craftable by infernals.
On the splendor side, if we take the 3 points from the upgrade and use them all on this:
It would be a pseudo-demon god creature with a belly full of stolen souls.
There isn't a mechanic for it by RaW but that sounds like the perfect justification for the emanation optionally eating them instead of releasing the souls for the user's benefit, converting them into exp for itself or something.
Alternatively, if an implicit spirit killer is too much, it could instead enact a mirror to the Yama Kings.
Spit up the souls in some territory it keeps in our hell and as long as it has them imprisoned it gets some sort of power out of it.
The exact mechanism would depend on how precisely the fluff is arranged for the final product.
Mechanically we're talking about two crafting projects on one physical item, facilitated by how Arcana can explicitly be bound to items of exalted craft to get the benefits of both in one place.
Fluff wise it could be anything from preserving that division to the entire effect being driven by the entity in the sword directly, which has different implications for the power interactions.
Making a sword, or any other vessel of power that can consumes some aspect of your enemies is something you can do since you have Murder is meat, but it should be kept in mind that it, the Emanation, will not have Murder is Meat, you cannot make Exalted and you cannot hand out charms, with the narrow exception of a familiar. So what this thing would do is consume part of an enemy's power which it would then convert into something useful, not too esoteric, but it could manage XP that he can spend normally.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Am I getting it right that sword doesn't work against anything not defending itself? At is to say no sneak attack and if someone just stands there without so much as trying to dodge or perry the sword doesn't work?
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Why would that be the case?
Our sword-spirit wouldn't be bound by rules like the Swords of God.
Indeed. Using the elves to not just buy, but also sell exotic materials might be viable. I still think that elemental transmutation is a waste of time as far as money production goes, but it would at least solve one of the big issues.
On making an empowering item - I like the idea in general, but we'll need to figure out a lot of details, both in practicalities and in how it's presented, because Daniel would need to accept it. If we had VEE I would say grant him confidence in the form of
It's essentially free success on all hard rolls.
We also have gossamer. We could, in principle, try and craft a mantle out of it. Possibly use one of Mab's favors to learn the secrets of / get help with mantle forging (Or use the crown on Arawn's notes to improve the ritual), and use naagloshii as a sacrifice.
Also, with healing potions being available, we have three more reagents that can be used in making a sword - Daniel's, ours and Lydia's blood. Even if we forego ours and Lydia's blood to avoid "we are just carrying him out of pity" issues, Daniel is son of Michael, scion of Charlemagne, his is the blood of kings and Destiny. Willingly given, and then reforged into sword iron, distilled into steel, and catalyzed with essence and the dream-stuff of gossamer, it should have some effects, even if they would be hard to define exactly. And since we are the ones that are going to be doing the catalysis, and we are also of the bloodline, and Lydia is going to be helping, and she has domain over death, maybe we can call up Charlemagne as a mentor for Daniel?
I'll look through the craft rules (I dislike those very much, and feel that this is one thing where the game is very badly designed, perhaps deliberately), and your build, and try to help.
A stand, summonable pokemon-type thing, or anything like this is the exactly wrong thing to make, I feel, sorry. Daniel's issue is that he himself is a lowly mortal trying to stand together with exalts. Giving him a role of a squire to a powerful spirit carrying around the spirit's vessel would make him feel even more resentful.
I'll look through the craft rules (I dislike those very much, and feel that this is one thing where the game is very badly designed, perhaps deliberately), and your build, and try to help.
If you had VEE you could do a lot of things for him, VEE is 'you are a hell-genie'. It would probably make more sense to make him lucky as opposed to confident, that would proc on failed willpower rolls as much as anything else and it would also keep him safe in fights
The issue is that the splendor is normally unmanifested. And requires a turn and essence expenditure to manifest and start providing benefits:
That's classical bootstrap issue. Daniel would have to have power already to gain power. He would pretty much explicitly need Form of the Hero's Shadow (2 pt. Form Element) for it to work:
We also need to talk to Daniel about what kind of power, what kind of man he wants to be. "Sword good" is an option. But so far he has been working on becoming a mage. He has been painstakingly reading through mystic texts and raising his occult. We could help him in that, instead of making him a melee combat weapon.
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I'll have to recheck to be certain, but I remember Exalted vs. WoD having a charm for awakening someone as a mage. Presumably that would mean turning someone into a wizard here.
Okay then. A proper pep talk from his big sister should be able to bring him around to the healthier perspective.
Michael got injured on the job. It's Tessa, a Denarian, that shot him.
It does, but you have to be a solar and in any case wizard magic works differently here so I'd say that would not work the same way. Mages do no Awaken in this world they are born.
That said you guys do have alchemy, at the very top of that chain are the means to perform permanent metaphysical transmutations on people.
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Uriel does tend to not be exactly straightforward, but the Knights aren't taking orders from him. Butters asked about that after he got a sword, and it was outright stated that their direction comes direct from God rather than through an angel.
Knew there was probably something that I wasn't remembering.
True, but I could see it possibly revitalizing any magical potential that was allowed to wither away like Charity's. Possibly Daniel as her second child if you said there was still the slightest possibility at that point. Not that it will be relevant since we don't have the charm.
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Not that I think anyones interested in the idea. But, I know there's a case or three of an abyssal exaltation reversing back into a solars that ever been done for an infernals? Actually I'm kinda curious if an infernal exaltation after they've gotten a hell turned into a solars would said world just die?
There has been no case of a Green Sun Prince reverting to Solar. Whether that is because the contrast is less absolute and none of them have tried to walk that path, or simply because none of them tried, because of some aspect of Yozi Essence making it so that they could not revert to Sol's original template or even just because they already have a heretical path before them to become a Primordial whole and terrible no one knows. One thing is for certain, if such a thing can be done it would not be easy.
So, having looked through Splendors, building a green lantern ring is surprisingly easy. Here, let me show you guys. I think this might actually be a valid option that doesn't make Daniel think we are patronizing him, and allows him to join us in at least some capacity.
Green Lantern Ring
Or we trade Art of Conjury and Soevereign Elemental Sway for Panoply of Wonders, and use Mystic Fortification to negate Willpower cost (rules as written would make it so using the effect actually restores Willpower, but that's a bit silly, if thematic of Green Lantern Ring).
Essentially, this is better TTC. Art of Conjury + Sovereign Elemental Sway (with Dreaming focus) should allow for stuff like forcefield projections and perhaps flight (via forcefield construct generation). The only thing that's mechanically not iron clad is that I used Mystic Fortification to increase the Art of Conjury from "once per scene" to spammable.
Thematically this works of Molly's TTC. What do you guys think? Use Gossamer, and naagloshii to make one. It's Alan Scott's classical ring, so probably no complicated constructs. To give it an AI we make an ephemera later on. And when upgrading it to 5 dots, we add Panoply of Wonders to it (with another Mystic Fortification to negate willpower costs, or possibly even give it willpower-regenerating abilities), or Scourge the World (which hits the targets with whopping -3 dice all actions, 5 with Mystic Fortification).
So, @DragonParadox can we make a geek's dream a reality?
Green Lantern Ring
The Splendor takes the form of something that is evocative of the fantastic. It might be a child's
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time
toy, a brightly-decorated banner, a monster or carnival mask, or a treasure chest. It might be a
kaleidoscope, or a bundle of bright balloons. This Element defines the Splendor's physical form
and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Dreaming. Other
Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor stands out as a powerful work of magic when seen with chimerical eyes or mystic
scrutiny, but it seems nigh-impossible to credit it with any specific significance if observed with
purely mundane senses. Even when presented with compelling evidence that there's something
weird about the object, anyone who hasn't made a magical survey of the Splendor must make a
Willpower roll against difficulty (4 + Splendor's rating) to accept such a conclusion.
As an Adornment, it raises the difficulty to affect the user with hostile works of Glamour by one.
As the basis for a Fascination, it may have one minor impossible feature such as floating in
defiance of gravity, reflecting people's true selves when looked into, or aging backwards in time
The Splendor manifests in the world as an enchantment embedded in a specific person present at
the time of its summoning, chosen by its owner. If it has no other Form Element, then it appears
as a mark like a tattoo somewhere on the infected individual's body. Wherever they go, so too
goes the Splendor. If it has a physical Form Element, then it appears in the infected individual's
possession, and will always return to them at the beginning of each scene even if thrown away,
left behind, or given away. If its physical Form is something immobile like a tree, then the
targeted individual is going to find that tree wherever they go for the duration of the Splendor's
manifestation.
If the Splendor is an Adornment, then this Element allows its benefits to be enjoyed by the
person to whom the Splendor is attached, even if they're not its owner and not attuned to it. Even
if they're not Exalted at all.
the time of its summoning, chosen by its owner. If it has no other Form Element, then it appears
as a mark like a tattoo somewhere on the infected individual's body. Wherever they go, so too
goes the Splendor. If it has a physical Form Element, then it appears in the infected individual's
possession, and will always return to them at the beginning of each scene even if thrown away,
left behind, or given away. If its physical Form is something immobile like a tree, then the
targeted individual is going to find that tree wherever they go for the duration of the Splendor's
manifestation.
If the Splendor is an Adornment, then this Element allows its benefits to be enjoyed by the
person to whom the Splendor is attached, even if they're not its owner and not attuned to it. Even
if they're not Exalted at all.
This Splendor defines a rigid certainty and imposes it upon existence.
When used in an Adornment, define a specific roll of (Attribute) + (Ability) and a specialty that
it falls under. When the user makes such a roll, she cannot botch and cannot fail regardless of the
difficulty. No matter what, she always generates at least one success. If this roll is opposed by
another character, Invincible Assertion instead adds two bonus successes.
When used in a Fascination, define a specific roll of (Attribute) + (Ability) and a specialty that it
falls under. Under circumstances defined by the Splendor, such rolls cannot fail in its presence,
and always generate at least one success. If such a roll is opposed, it adds two bonus successes.
This Element may be incorporated into a Splendor more than once.
When used in an Adornment, define a specific roll of (Attribute) + (Ability) and a specialty that
it falls under. When the user makes such a roll, she cannot botch and cannot fail regardless of the
difficulty. No matter what, she always generates at least one success. If this roll is opposed by
another character, Invincible Assertion instead adds two bonus successes.
When used in a Fascination, define a specific roll of (Attribute) + (Ability) and a specialty that it
falls under. Under circumstances defined by the Splendor, such rolls cannot fail in its presence,
and always generate at least one success. If such a roll is opposed, it adds two bonus successes.
This Element may be incorporated into a Splendor more than once.
The Splendor creates a mundane object which resonates with one or more of its characters, as
defined by Form Elements such as Form of Crackling Fire or Form of Ash and Dust. Conjured
objects can have a Resources value no higher than the Splendor's rating.
Incorporated into an Adornment, this Element allows the Exalt to spend a turn and to make a
Wits + Craft roll against difficulty (4 + object's Resources value) to summon whatever object
she likes to hand, so long as it resonates with the Splendor's character in some way, such as a
shovel for an earth-affiliated (or death-affiliated…) Splendor. Objects can be created no more
than once per scene.
Incorporated into a Fascination, this Element allows the Splendor to create particular objects in
response to certain stimuli and conditions which are in accord with its character — often, this
trigger is "when someone is cursed by the Splendor's Root Element." No more than (Splendor's
rating) objects can be created per scene.
defined by Form Elements such as Form of Crackling Fire or Form of Ash and Dust. Conjured
objects can have a Resources value no higher than the Splendor's rating.
Incorporated into an Adornment, this Element allows the Exalt to spend a turn and to make a
Wits + Craft roll against difficulty (4 + object's Resources value) to summon whatever object
she likes to hand, so long as it resonates with the Splendor's character in some way, such as a
shovel for an earth-affiliated (or death-affiliated…) Splendor. Objects can be created no more
than once per scene.
Incorporated into a Fascination, this Element allows the Splendor to create particular objects in
response to certain stimuli and conditions which are in accord with its character — often, this
trigger is "when someone is cursed by the Splendor's Root Element." No more than (Splendor's
rating) objects can be created per scene.
One of the Splendor's snares or benefits is particularly wicked or potent. Modify one roll
associated with the Splendor by increasing or decreasing its difficulty by two, or modify one
value associated with activating or resisting its effects (such as the number of points of
Willpower that must be spent to shake off a Beautiful Lie) by two.
associated with the Splendor by increasing or decreasing its difficulty by two, or modify one
value associated with activating or resisting its effects (such as the number of points of
Willpower that must be spent to shake off a Beautiful Lie) by two.
The Splendor manipulates and reshapes that which resonates with its character, as defined by
Form Elements such as Form of Crackling Fire and Form of Ash and Dust. The benefits
provided depend on whether the Splendor is an Adornment or Fascination, and on which Form or
Forms it has incorporated.
Incorporated into an Adornment, this Element allows the Exalt to use Craft actions to sculpt
wind, water, and fire as though they were clay, creating impossible works of art or short-lived
elemental tools. Living wood can be induced to grow into patterns the Exalt desires in the same
fashion, while the difficulty to work with stone or metal is reduced by two. The difficulty to craft
dead flesh into Arcana may be reduced by two as well. The Exalt can raise or lower the Gauntlet
by one degree per success on a Crafts roll to modify it, and can rework the chimerical identity of
things.
Incorporated into a Fascination, this Element allows the Splendor to rewrite the details of
landscapes and objects, rerouting the paths of a graveyard, changing the appearance of a corpse,
repairing a rundown wooden shack, or making a barren landscape green and verdant.
Form Elements such as Form of Crackling Fire and Form of Ash and Dust. The benefits
provided depend on whether the Splendor is an Adornment or Fascination, and on which Form or
Forms it has incorporated.
Incorporated into an Adornment, this Element allows the Exalt to use Craft actions to sculpt
wind, water, and fire as though they were clay, creating impossible works of art or short-lived
elemental tools. Living wood can be induced to grow into patterns the Exalt desires in the same
fashion, while the difficulty to work with stone or metal is reduced by two. The difficulty to craft
dead flesh into Arcana may be reduced by two as well. The Exalt can raise or lower the Gauntlet
by one degree per success on a Crafts roll to modify it, and can rework the chimerical identity of
things.
Incorporated into a Fascination, this Element allows the Splendor to rewrite the details of
landscapes and objects, rerouting the paths of a graveyard, changing the appearance of a corpse,
repairing a rundown wooden shack, or making a barren landscape green and verdant.
Taking a form of a heavy sigil ring, it is at once recognizable by any comic geek, and yet unlike any comic book paraphernalia out there. Semi-transparent, it looks as though it is carved of some manner of unearthly crystal, with a runic symbol on top. If seen against the light, or from the corner of an eye, shadows of movement can be glimpsed inside of its structure, impossible forms of dreams and nightmares ready to come forth upon its master's command.
Essentially, this is better TTC. Art of Conjury + Sovereign Elemental Sway (with Dreaming focus) should allow for stuff like forcefield projections and perhaps flight (via forcefield construct generation). The only thing that's mechanically not iron clad is that I used Mystic Fortification to increase the Art of Conjury from "once per scene" to spammable.
Thematically this works of Molly's TTC. What do you guys think? Use Gossamer, and naagloshii to make one. It's Alan Scott's classical ring, so probably no complicated constructs. To give it an AI we make an ephemera later on. And when upgrading it to 5 dots, we add Panoply of Wonders to it (with another Mystic Fortification to negate willpower costs, or possibly even give it willpower-regenerating abilities), or Scourge the World (which hits the targets with whopping -3 dice all actions, 5 with Mystic Fortification).
So, @DragonParadox can we make a geek's dream a reality?
I think it might be impossible, actually. Abyssals are flipped solars. Infernals are solars + Yozi additions. Exaltations cannot be lessened, so you can flip Abyssal to Solar because essentially nothing is lost, but not rollback Infernal addons to make a solar.
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You can definitely make this thing, if fits the themes of both artisan and warrior and glamor is particularly good for this kind of chimeric splendor.
Ok then. I think we got ourselves a project. Now, to keep Lydia and Daniel from breaking up until we can actually craft it. Which is probably either end of the month, or Christmas.
And the good thing is, Daniel can actually get better on his own, by raising his Wits and Craft in order to improve his conjuration rolls.
EDIT: And if he basically only needs to improve his Wits and Craft, then he might be able to compete with our much less focused build.
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tell that to the mechanics cause often infernals have solar skills with worse mechanics and an evil tint to it. Which is really annoying due to them not being degradable sounds a bit like bullshit fluff when you realize plenty of former charms that have been yozified are just worse.
True. Still, a "cleansed" infernal is unlikely to become a solar. They're are almost certainly going to be... not a devil tiger, but something close, and possibly manifesting Primordial charms. Like, Theion's and such.
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Oh no disagreement there just uh its a sad truth but we're in many ways a worse solar. I hope someday we can become a devil tiger though I doubt it even essence 5 sounds like something we'll have to wait as many as 6 years for at this pace. By the way isn't a devil tiger supposed to have their own inner universe why would that not count as a universe like what a few other primordials made?