Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

True. Still, a "cleansed" infernal is unlikely to become a solar. They're are almost certainly going to be... not a devil tiger, but something close, and possibly manifesting Primordial charms. Like, Theion's and such.
I don't really think a "cleansed" Infernal can exist, only a self-defined one as a Devil-Tiger.

And I'm not really seeing why he'd have access to Theion's Charms. Not like the Empyreal Chaos and Shining Tyrant is any better than Malfeas, from a human perspective.
 
I don't really think a "cleansed" Infernal can exist, only a self-defined one as a Devil-Tiger.

And I'm not really seeing why he'd have access to Theion's Charms. Not like the Empyreal Chaos and Shining Tyrant is any better than Malfeas, from a human perspective.
eh I'd say it is but its the difference between the worst interpretation of God and the actual devil really or hell itself I guess.
 
A stand, summonable pokemon-type thing, or anything like this is the exactly wrong thing to make, I feel, sorry. Daniel's issue is that he himself is a lowly mortal trying to stand together with exalts. Giving him a role of a squire to a powerful spirit carrying around the spirit's vessel would make him feel even more resentful.

I'll look through the craft rules (I dislike those very much, and feel that this is one thing where the game is very badly designed, perhaps deliberately), and your build, and try to help.
That's not the main point, the sword spirit wouldn't even actually be that great at combat.

The primary role it serves is to use its prophetic and divinatory powers to whisper important information in Daniel's ear. The god getting up and hitting things is a waste of its powers.

Moreover, the way it's powers would be set up Daniel would need to be in charge and the primary actor in using it, because all the conditions for them revolve around him making choices.

The issue is that the splendor is normally unmanifested. And requires a turn and essence expenditure to manifest and start providing benefits:
True, but there are limits to how far down we can reach and you don't have to be exalted to bind one. You just need to have some sort of casting resource to burn.

For a Splendor of this power it's possible for it to hang around for a month on one activation, and they don't have a cool down.

We need time to make this work, so he needs to get just good enough to get 1 point of something, assuming we don't instead work something out with open eye of the dragon to get him mana that way.

We also need to talk to Daniel about what kind of power, what kind of man he wants to be. "Sword good" is an option. But so far he has been working on becoming a mage. He has been painstakingly reading through mystic texts and raising his occult. We could help him in that, instead of making him a melee combat weapon
In canon he puts considerable effort into learning how to use a sword. I think he's going for what he can grasp, and would cheerfully take something approximating what his dad has.

Getting him built as a wizard would take far longer and wouldn't be as reliable.
 
That's not the main point, the sword spirit wouldn't even actually be that great at combat.

The primary role it serves is to use its prophetic and divinatory powers to whisper important information in Daniel's ear. The god getting up and hitting things is a waste of its powers.

Moreover, the way it's powers would be set up Daniel would need to be in charge and the primary actor in using it, because all the conditions for them revolve around him making choices.


True, but there are limits to how far down we can reach and you don't have to be exalted to bind one. You just need to have some sort of casting resource to burn.

For a Splendor of this power it's possible for it to hang around for a month on one activation, and they don't have a cool down.

We need time to make this work, so he needs to get just good enough to get 1 point of something, assuming we don't instead work something out with open eye of the dragon to get him mana that way.


In canon he puts considerable effort into learning how to use a sword. I think he's going for what he can grasp, and would cheerfully take something approximating what his dad has.

Getting him built as a wizard would take far longer and wouldn't be as reliable.
His dad has I think 5 dots in swordsmanship cause hes comparable to nicodemus. Given its just for swords and hes not omnicompetent with melee weapon styles like we are. Like easily top 50 mortals alive with a sword I think? Probably not ever obviously but right now for sure.
 
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I guess the Outsiders are new, because the Denarians are literally a biblical story.
Sure, the Devil can tempt humans and do great harm (former seen in various folklore, the latter in Hiob etc.), but ultimatly it is written that he'll loose.

And someone with faith in God will believe that the Denarians will ultimatly fail, no matter how much damage the One's ineffable plan allows them to do on the way.
THe Outsiders are not in that context.
More that they are new to his experience, than that they are new.

There's nothing in Judeo-Christian theology or mythology that suggests that the Outsiders will win either.
As far as is relevant to his experience, they are just another variety of demon trying to break into human reality, and demon possession giving the host superpowers is nothing new to either Christian mythology.

Im writing it up to his failing his Willpower roll.

  1. He is old enough to know Shiro was tortured to death, but that is not information he was given at the time. More broadly the perspective you are advocating for is one he could have taken... if he had not rolled 0 for his willpower
  2. As for that athame... that is what Arwan used to harvest resources, the kind of resources Mab has use for and which would make Harry query at best and furious at worst
1) Fair enough. Spending time with the family becomes mandatory for the December turn.

2) Hmm. That sounds like an appallingly powerful tool, of the sort that a lot of people and factions would express interest in.

I think we need to have Lydia buy Summoning/Wards Path over the next couple turns. She has Arawn as a trainer for the discount.
If she's keeping stuff like this at home, she needs to be able to build and understand her own wards against intrusion better than just relying on protections set up by her father and repaired by Dresden.

And more dogs on her estate, of the Kangal/Malinois/Greater Pyrenees variety.
*checks* She has Animal Ken, so its plausible that the girl with an affinity for certain animals starts accumulating a pack of canines once she starts setting down roots.

We could go get that dragon corpse.. build armor for mollys dad and her bother. Use the fangs the gossomer and the demon corpse thing for a sword for daniel.
I dont think you get a good reputation in the supernatural by using the bodyparts of a sapient for crafting.
Consider what people would think if you walked around wearing body armor made of human bones. Consider what our reaction was to learning of the Thule Society people stealing the bones of shih monks for power.

And thats not even counting what the remaining Great Dragons might think.

Im entirely willing to study the body if we get the opportunity.
And Im totally onboard with potentially looting the hoard, once we have a Hell to store it in, and sufficient Ancient Sorcery and countermagic to break whatever curse is on it that has kept looters away.

But I dont want to loot the corpse.

She is, unironically, Kemmler's greatest creation.
I think you give Kemmler entirely too much credit.
He shared knowledge of unknown provenance and with a critical vulnerability; there's no suggestion that those were original Kemmlerite insights. Let alone that he had a hand in her birth.


He was dead for like 30 years by the time Lydia was born.
I doubt he predicted that whatever he exactly did to make Arawn an independant deity was meant to cause him to have an almost-Exalted daughter.

And I maintain that the "almost" is important, as she is still lacking that most vital part of the Exaltation, namely the inextinguishable Exaltation itself, that would survive her death.
^^^
All we know is that Kemmler shared knowledge with Arawn.
Thats all.
Where the knowledge came from, or what it was about, and how complete it was, is left open to conjecture.

Im far more likely to believe that Arawn learned of the existence of Grandmother from Wraith/ExWoD and that she put a thumb on the scales. Than I am that Kemmler had the power to design or instantiate an Exigent.

Not to mention that we are completely missing the role of the mother in this entire affair.
Who was Lydia's mother? We dont know. We've had hints dropped by the QM, like the silver lotus jewelry and the ankhs that she says she inherited from her mother, along with her saying her mother had a thing for Egypt.

Entirely possible SHE is responsible for a significant portion of Lydia's mojo and nature, not Arawn.
After all, in the Dresden Files most magic (not all, mind) appears to be inherited from the mother.

I think it should be high on our list as well.
Honestly I like this idea as a solution on multiple levels for this whole class of problems.
For the record? I dont think empowering Daniel is a good idea.

I've given some of my reasons before: his age, his motivations or lack of them, his ability or willingness to pay the costs, what he brings to the table, and all the drawbacks of putting a family member on the battlefield where he's a much easier target than his family members, the potential objections of his mother.

OOC, I dont like the narrative or thematic implications of someone's significant other asking for or getting power on account of who their romantic partner is either. The fact that the PC is female and the person looking for power is a teenage boy this time doesnt make it any better than if it was a woman seeking power from their boyfriend.


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Having established that? There is no reason that this cant be on the table for other people.

Narratively and mechanically, one commonality that World of Darkness, the Dresden Files and Exalted 2E all have in common is getting a powerup by being possessed by/establishing a link to spirits or a spiritual construct-entity. Doesnt have to be sapient. Examples include:

Exalted 2E
The olchiliké are from Scroll of Fallen Races, where a Dragon King and a spirit would do a fusion dance and share powers in one person.
In Autochtonia, human drones were mortals willingly possessed by machine spirits of Autochton, giving them supernatural powers.

Dresden Files(Fool Moon)
The loup garou is possessed by a wolf-like demon that makes it an immortal, unkillable person of mass destruction.
The hexenwulfen use magic belts that use the power of a spirit to make them transform into wolves.
The lycanthropes are possessed by a spirit of rage that makes them more aggressive, stronger, more resistant to injury and disease, and able to heal a lot more

Plus, there's how the White Court vampires are known to work. And the Denarians.
Even The Archive is an example of an external spiritual entity/construct whose linkage gives powers to its host.

World of Darkness
Banes possessing humans and turning them into fomori with superpowers.
The whole Demon The Fallen line.
The Channeler Psychic Path from Sorcerer
The Totem and Tattoo Backgrounds in M20
The tem-akh from Mummy The Resurrection

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Basically, its narratively and mechanically in tune with the setting for Molly to craft spiritual constructs to act as empowering entities for vanilla mortals or minor talents. Especially as its already been established in-quest that she can craft small g- gods with dominion over a small area.

Think something like a Reach Scarab from the Blue Beetle comics at the higher end.
Or a Venom Symbiote from the Spiderman comics at the low end.

Whether we should is a whole different question.
At least, whether we should for Daniel in particular.

On a note completely unrelated to this, it just occurred to me we might have an answer for that nuclear transmutation thing @Yog and @uju32 have been arguing about.
If the elves will sell us stuff like uranium then they presumably buy it from someone, and have a whole supply chain.
We could trivially make the various sorts of heavy elements that don't weaponize easily, but are very useful for industrial stuff and more valuable than gold on a per ounce basis. If the elves are interested we could try swapping it for mortal enchanting materials and other stuff we don't need to report as income.
I know I've mentioned it before that things like payments, gifts and weregeld are principally paid in precious metals.

Accords weregeld is principally paid in gold and precious metals according to the short story Even Hand iirc.
Strength of a River In His Shoulders pays Dresden, when he hires him, in gold nuggets.
The Red Court give Ferrovax gifts of gold, precious metals and precious stones in Grave Peril.
And Dresden loots diamonds from Hades' vault in Skin Games.

If we're aiming at engaging in commerce with the supernatural underground, legal tender that doesnt appear on our financial asset statements will help avoid the attentions of anyone keeping an eye on our mundane financials for indications about our ongoing activities.

Because you know, everytime you withdraw a couple hundred thou or low millions in cash or bearer bonds to pay for some supernatural side shenanigans, it will draw some attention.

It does, but you have to be a solar and in any case wizard magic works differently here so I'd say that would not work the same way. Mages do no Awaken in this world they are born. That said you guys do have alchemy, at the very top of that chain are the means to perform permanent metaphysical transmutations on people.
That just means Solars get to do it the easy way.
For an Infernal, Exalted Craft is the same class of artifice that is entirely capable of making Mage The Ascension Primers and Grimoires for awakening or teaching Mages and sorcerers. Grimoires are Wonders, after all.

Point of correction: Mages DO awaken in this world. Not everyone with the potential to become a wizard/sorcerer appears to get the push, the call, the impetus to become one otherwise. Bianca St Claire had the potential to be a blood wizard/sorcerer as a Red, but didnt seek the training to become one until after the events of Storm Front.
 
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In canon he puts considerable effort into learning how to use a sword. I think he's going for what he can grasp, and would cheerfully take something approximating what his dad has.

Getting him built as a wizard would take far longer and wouldn't be as reliable
That's true, but he has spent several months trying to build himself as a wizard already, and his frustrations are related to his inability to grasp power.

This is why I think a green lantern ring would be ideal for him. It allows for a hybrid build. It's sorta wizard sorta warrior build, where you fling elemental blasts, conjure forcefields, and fight with a flaming sword made of green light of willpower.

It gives him a tool master that he can master and improve with, and that is useful from the word go. And it isn't a copy of what his father has, but his own thing.

I think you give Kemmler entirely too much credit.
He shared knowledge of unknown provenance and with a critical vulnerability; there's no suggestion that those were original Kemmlerite insights. Let alone that he had a hand in her birth
True. But do you think he wouldn't have taken credit for her?

And yes, I am fairly sure her mother is important. Wouldn't surprise me if she was a mummy.
 
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More that they are new to his experience, than that they are new.

There's nothing in Judeo-Christian theology or mythology that suggests that the Outsiders will win either.
As far as is relevant to his experience, they are just another variety of demon trying to break into human reality, and demon possession giving the host superpowers is nothing new to either Christian mythology.

Im writing it up to his failing his Willpower roll.


1) Fair enough. Spending time with the family becomes mandatory for the December turn.

2) Hmm. That sounds like an appallingly powerful tool, of the sort that a lot of people and factions would express interest in.

I think we need to have Lydia buy Summoning/Wards Path over the next couple turns. She has Arawn as a trainer for the discount.
If she's keeping stuff like this at home, she needs to be able to build and understand her own wards against intrusion better than just relying on protections set up by her father and repaired by Dresden.

And more dogs on her estate, of the Kangal/Malinois/Greater Pyrenees variety.
*checks* She has Animal Ken, so its plausible that the girl with an affinity for certain animals starts accumulating a pack of canines once she starts setting down roots.


I dont think you get a good reputation in the supernatural by using the bodyparts of a sapient for crafting.
Consider what people would think if you walked around wearing body armor made of human bones. Consider what our reaction was to learning of the Thule Society people stealing the bones of shih monks for power.

And thats not even counting what the remaining Great Dragons might think.

Im entirely willing to study the body if we get the opportunity.
And Im totally onboard with potentially looting the hoard, once we have a Hell to store it in, and sufficient Ancient Sorcery and countermagic to break whatever curse is on it that has kept looters away.

But I dont want to loot the corpse.


I think you give Kemmler entirely too much credit.
He shared knowledge of unknown provenance and with a critical vulnerability; there's no suggestion that those were original Kemmlerite insights. Let alone that he had a hand in her birth.



^^^
All we know is that Kemmler shared knowledge with Arawn.
Thats all.
Where the knowledge came from, or what it was about, and how complete it was, is left open to conjecture.

Im far more likely to believe that Arawn learned of the existence of Grandmother from Wraith/ExWoD and that she put a thumb on the scales. Than I am that Kemmler had the power to design or instantiate an Exigent.

Not to mention that we are completely missing the role of the mother in this entire affair.
Who was Lydia's mother? We dont know. We've had hints dropped by the QM, like the silver lotus jewelry and the ankhs that she says she inherited from her mother, along with her saying her mother had a thing for Egypt.

Entirely possible SHE is responsible for a significant portion of Lydia's mojo and nature, not Arawn.
After all, in the Dresden Files most magic (not all, mind) appears to be inherited from the mother.


For the record? I dont think empowering Daniel is a good idea.

I've given some of my reasons before: his age, his motivations or lack of them, his ability or willingness to pay the costs, what he brings to the table, and all the drawbacks of putting a family member on the battlefield where he's a much easier target than his family members, the potential objections of his mother.

OOC, I dont like the narrative or thematic implications of someone's significant other asking for or getting power on account of who their romantic partner is either. The fact that the PC is female and the person looking for power is a teenage boy this time doesnt make it any better than if it was a woman seeking power from their boyfriend.


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Having established that? There is no reason that this cant be on the table for other people.

Narratively and mechanically, one commonality that World of Darkness, the Dresden Files and Exalted 2E all have in common is getting a powerup by being possessed by/establishing a link to spirits or a spiritual construct-entity. Doesnt have to be sapient. Examples include:

Exalted 2E
The olchiliké are from Scroll of Fallen Races, where a Dragon King and a spirit would do a fusion dance and share powers in one person.
In Autochtonia, human drones were mortals willingly possessed by machine spirits of Autochton, giving them supernatural powers.

Dresden Files(Fool Moon)
The loup garou is possessed by a wolf-like demon that makes it an immortal, unkillable person of mass destruction.
The hexenwulfen use magic belts that use the power of a spirit to make them transform into wolves.
The lycanthropes are possessed by a spirit of rage that makes them more aggressive, stronger, more resistant to injury and disease, and able to heal a lot more

Plus, there's how the White Court vampires are known to work. And the Denarians.
Even The Archive is an example of an external spiritual entity/construct whose linkage gives powers to its host.

World of Darkness
Banes possessing humans and turning them into fomori with superpowers.
The whole Demon The Fallen line.
The Channeler Psychic Path from Sorcerer
The Totem and Tattoo Backgrounds in M20
The tem-akh from Mummy The Resurrection

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Basically, its narratively and mechanically in tune with the setting for Molly to craft spiritual constructs to act as empowering entities for vanilla mortals or minor talents. Especially as its already been established in-quest that she can craft small g- gods with dominion over a small area.

Think something like a Reach Scarab from the Blue Beetle comics at the higher end.
Or a Venom Symbiote from the Spiderman comics at the low end.

Whether we should is a whole different question.
At least, whether we should for Daniel in particular.



I know I've mentioned it before that things like payments, gifts and weregeld are principally paid in precious metals.

Accords weregeld is principally paid in gold and precious metals according to the short story Even Hand iirc.
Strength of a River In His Shoulders pays Dresden, when he hires him, in gold nuggets.
The Red Court give Ferrovax gifts of gold, precious metals and precious stones in Grave Peril.
And Dresden loots diamonds from Hades' vault in Skin Games.

If we're aiming at engaging in commerce with the supernatural underground, legal tender that doesnt appear on our financial asset statements will help avoid the attentions of anyone keeping an eye on our mundane financials for indications about our ongoing activities.

Because you know, everytime you withdraw a couple hundred thou or low millions in cash or bearer bonds to pay for some supernatural side shenanigans, it will draw some attention.


That just means Solars get to do it the easy way.
For an Infernal, Exalted Craft is the same class of artifice that is entirely capable of making Mage The Ascension Primers and Grimoires for awakening or teaching Mages and sorcerers. Grimoires are Wonders, after all.

Point of correction: Mages DO awaken in this world. Not everyone with the potential to become a wizard/sorcerer appears to get the push, the call, the impetus to become one otherwise. Bianca St Claire had the potential to be a blood wizard/sorcerer as a Red, but didnt seek the training to become one until after the events of Storm Front.
you thought about asking lydia? She has had time to question her dad since meeting her and hes in her head. Like no guarantee shes been answered but I'm sure shes asked.
 
Demon is a bad example by the way.
When a demon from that splat inhabits a human, the soul is effectivly gone.
The remnants of it still influence the Demon, but there is no conscious human mind in there anymore.
Though the influence can be drastic from what I remember some of the worst of the worst demons became actual heroes when influenced by a specific human mind. Given usually as things go in white wolf people become worse.
 


I dont think you get a good reputation in the supernatural by using the bodyparts of a sapient for crafting.
Consider what people would think if you walked around wearing body armor made of human bones. Consider what our reaction was to learning of the Thule Society people stealing the bones of shih monks for power.

And thats not even counting what the remaining Great Dragons might think.

It very much depends on who you are trying to gain that reputation with. Certainly the White Council tends to look in askence at any of its members that carve up sapients for reagents (it does happen, just not in the open), but say Mab? She thinks carving up a dragon for armor is an efficient use of a dead dragon. Lara? She has stuff that is made of dead people, bone makes such a lovely material to conduct life-force. I think you get the pattern. It's not even a human and non-human thing, back in the old days making cups from the skulls of your enemies was unusual but certainly impressive over much of the Old World, specifically since it was a statement that you were not scared of their ghost.
 
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It very much depends on who you are trying to gain that reputation with. Certainly the White Council tends to look in askence at any of its members that carve up sapients for reagents (it does happen, just not in the open), but say Mab? She thinks carving up a dragon for armor is an efficient use of a dead dragon. Lara? She has stuff that is made of dead people, bone makes such a lovely material to conduct life-force. I think you get the pattern. It's not even a human and non-human thing, back in the old days making cups from the skulls of your enemies was unusual but certainly impressive over much of the Old World, specifically since it was a statement that you were not scared of their ghost.
I think Mab would be against killing a dragon if only because it has trademark consequences. Not that we know what those are but woj they exist for the world. Given its not out of sentimentality or morals thats for sure.
 
I think Mab would be against killing a dragon if only because it has trademark consequences. Not that we know what those are but woj they exist for the world. Given its not out of sentimentality or morals thats for sure.
Our dad already killed the dragon in question, we'd just be harvesting the resources so they don't go to waste.
 
True. But do you think he wouldn't have taken credit for her?
And yes, I am fairly sure her mother is important. Wouldn't surprise me if she was a mummy.
Taking credit doesnt make him responsible.
A lot of people take credit for shit they didnt do.

And yes, Mummy The Resurrection is one of the books you'll find referenced in the pages of ExWoD; Lydia's mother being Amenti is one of my leading theories. Especially since mummies are true immortals, but if killed can take years or centuries to resurrect IIRC, depending on the manner of death.

In this fusion AU, with the rest of the WoD and the Dresden Files in the mix?
You also have to consider a stable Liminal, other incarnate gods, the scions of gods, Grigory, and nephilim, the children of angels, all as potential candidates.

Madrigal's former lawyer was the part-human son of a djinn. Before the Scarecrow killed him.
you thought about asking lydia? She has had time to question her dad since meeting her and hes in her head. Like no guarantee shes been answered but I'm sure shes asked.
She didnt know a lot about her dad until six months ago, hence Corpsetaker almost eating her.
I have doubts she'd know about her mother, if she was a supernatural. And her father might not tell her.
Or could be bound not to tell her.

See Dresden; his grandfather Ebenezar McCoy didnt tell him they were related, despite being the person who took the burden of the Doom of Damocles on his behalf. Someone else told him.
And Susan hasnt told him he's a father.

Demon is a bad example by the way.
When a demon from that splat inhabits a human, the soul is effectivly gone.
The remnants of it still influence the Demon, but there is no conscious human mind in there anymore.
Must be misremembering I guess.
Thanks for the correction.

It very much depends on who you are trying to gain that reputation with. Certainly the White Council tends to look in askence at any of its members that carve up sapients for reagents (it does happen, just not in the open), but say Mab? She thinks carving up a dragon for armor is an efficient use of a dead dragon. Lara? She has stuff that is made of dead people, bone makes such a lovely material to conduct life-force. I think you get the pattern. It's not even a human and non-human thing, back in the old days making cups from the skulls of your enemies was unusual but certainly impressive over much of the Old World, specifically since it was a statement that you were not scared of their ghost.
The White Council. The Church. Humans. Other Great Dragons. The Forest People. Potentially The Erl King. Kris Kringle/Odin.
There's a lot of people with power who might have opinions about his disposition or who would consider the implied lack of respect for the dead into account when making judgements about the person.

And I think I should point out that Mab's presumed penchant for efficiency does not run quite that deep; see what she did with her daughters body after she was killed in canon. Or Lily's body.
Or what Titania did with Aurora's body.

I am pretty sure Molly herself would get very judgey about people she encountered doing shit like that. :V
 
Taking credit doesnt make him responsible.
A lot of people take credit for shit they didnt do.

And yes, Mummy The Resurrection is one of the books you'll find referenced in the pages of ExWoD; Lydia's mother being Amenti is one of my leading theories. Especially since mummies are true immortals, but if killed can take years or centuries to resurrect IIRC, depending on the manner of death.

In this fusion AU, with the rest of the WoD and the Dresden Files in the mix?
You also have to consider a stable Liminal, other incarnate gods, the scions of gods, Grigory, and nephilim, the children of angels, all as potential candidates.

Madrigal's former lawyer was the part-human son of a djinn. Before the Scarecrow killed him.

She didnt know a lot about her dad until six months ago, hence Corpsetaker almost eating her.
I have doubts she'd know about her mother, if she was a supernatural. And her father might not tell her.
Or could be bound not to tell her.

See Dresden; his grandfather Ebenezar McCoy didnt tell him they were related, despite being the person who took the burden of the Doom of Damocles on his behalf. Someone else told him.
And Susan hasnt told him he's a father.


Must be misremembering I guess.
Thanks for the correction.


The White Council. The Church. Humans. Other Great Dragons. The Forest People. Potentially The Erl King. Kris Kringle/Odin.
There's a lot of people with power who might have opinions about his disposition or who would consider the implied lack of respect for the dead into account when making judgements about the person.

And I think I should point out that Mab's presumed penchant for efficiency does not run quite that deep; see what she did with her daughters body after she was killed in canon. Or Lily's body.
Or what Titania did with Aurora's body.

I am pretty sure Molly herself would get very judgey about people she encountered doing shit like that. :V
I mean asking doesn't take much time or hurt really. Also fairly sure shes at least partly human.

Given I'm also fairly sure dresden files have enough immortal humans that count as human and can have kids. So a mummy is totally viable.
 
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The White Council. The Church. Humans. Other Great Dragons. The Forest People. Potentially The Erl King. Kris Kringle/Odin.
There's a lot of people with power who might have opinions about his disposition or who would consider the implied lack of respect for the dead into account when making judgements about the person.

And I think I should point out that Mab's presumed penchant for efficiency does not run quite that deep; see what she did with her daughters body after she was killed in canon. Or Lily's body.
Or what Titania did with Aurora's body.

I am pretty sure Molly herself would get very judgey about people she encountered doing shit like that. :V

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In the case of other Great Dragons it really depends on the dragon, they are not a very communal species and they do not have what one would think of as empathy towards each other, or most other things, so it really depends on it what you make feels disrespectful towards dragons in general. So if you make something impressive and which they consider for a respectful purpose they will not mind, no turning it into a magical boiler or something and you are fine.

As for Mab and her daughters, she has an intimacy related to them, she does not related to random dragons.
 
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That's true, but he has spent several months trying to build himself as a wizard already, and his frustrations are related to his inability to grasp power.
No he hasn't, he's learned general occult things.

Everyone in the supernatural wants a good occult score so they can understand what's happening around them. Micheal probably has a few dots in it at least, and he's not any kind of talent.

Being a caster involves a different sort of effort than he's actually involved in right now. Doing both at the same time is the most efficient way to do it, but technically you don't need to.


The lantern ring has utility, but it has issues in terms of active use and requires working out the whole chimerical interaction to determine how it interacts with other powers.

Technically chimerical construction only exist if you're already in the dreaming. What does that mean for us here?

For something like the plan I'm outlining, all he needs is to learn enough to tap his chi or something similar and he can bind the item, and at that point he has clear progression paths, reliable utility/protection, and a whole new interesting character interaction as part of how the more esoteric aspects of his new abilities would work.

A comparison to Usum would take any sting out of it if he thinks of his new spirit partner as training wheels.
 
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In the case of other Great Dragons it really depends on the dragon, they are not a very communal species and they do not have what one would think of as empathy towards each other, or most other things, so it really depends on it what you make feels disrespectful towards dragons in general. So if you make something impressive and which they consider for a respectful purpose they will not mind, no turning it into a magical boiler or something and you are fine.

As for Mab and her daughters, she has an intimacy related to them, she does not related to random dragons.
Thats my point about "efficiency". Mab isnt quite as coldly rational as she would like people to believe.

As for the rest, we would essentially be gambling that whatever we did with the body passed the respect threshold of an alien race that explicitly by WoG has no especial love for Humanity in the first place. And that all the other entities who functioned under and alongside Great Dragons when they administered large chunks of reality agree as well.

I'd happily loot a dragon hoard. Or study the body.
But between Molly's IC moral/ethical background as a Catholic and potential IC reputational consequences, or even physical ones, I'd personally refrain from using the body for parts. Just like I'd leave a human body alone.

If we were raising a new Dragon to fill the vacant role, it might be worth tampering with the carcass of its predecessor if that was the only way, under the same ethical rules as organ transplantation. Maybe. But not just for crafting materials.
She's a Catholic, and Christianity in general, and the Catholics in particular, have opinions about the desecration of the dead.

But thats just my opinion.
 
Having established that? There is no reason that this cant be on the table for other people.
Yeah, it's flavorful on multiple levels and fits a lot of themes simultaneously.

I think it's the perfect way to balance having a fuller circle against the many issues with getting other exalts or wild power scaling.

I dont think you get a good reputation in the supernatural by using the bodyparts of a sapient for crafting.
For a significant part of exalted craftsmanship the sacrifice is just a sacrifice. If we use it for making a spirit or something we'd get a dragon themed one rather than a zombie unless we made a corpse monster on purpose.
 
Thats my point about "efficiency". Mab isnt quite as coldly rational as she would like people to believe.

As for the rest, we would essentially be gambling that whatever we did with the body passed the respect threshold of an alien race that explicitly by WoG has no especial love for Humanity in the first place. And that all the other entities who functioned under and alongside Great Dragons when they administered large chunks of reality agree as well.

I'd happily loot a dragon hoard. Or study the body.
But between Molly's IC moral/ethical background as a Catholic and potential IC reputational consequences, or even physical ones, I'd personally refrain from using the body for parts. Just like I'd leave a human body alone.

If we were raising a new Dragon to fill the vacant role, it might be worth tampering with the carcass of its predecessor if that was the only way, under the same ethical rules as organ transplantation. Maybe. But not just for crafting materials.
She's a Catholic, and Christianity in general, and the Catholics in particular, have opinions about the desecration of the dead.

But thats just my opinion.
Plenty of christians forsake that and mess with the dead look at the one pope who put a dead guy on trial after all. :p

Anyways with the talk of god wars I hope thats not how the white god works here since their explicitly the creator in the dresden verse and did not kill gods to get there. At least in this quest that should probably be true for this reality iteration at least.
 
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