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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] I killed it (Lay public claim to having killed a Walker with all the attention and the fear that engenders)

[X] Crown questions after the fighting ends
-[X] Occult excellency and ATB
-[X] Using the body of the sacrifice "Who is the Empyreal Chaos spoken of by the being summoned through this sacrifice?"
-[X] Using the bodyguard "What were the plans of the being that possessed their master's body?"
-[X] Using a random party goes of no importance "what was the non-human language heard by this person during the fight?"
 
Artemis1992 said:
Wizards will never be really irrelevant, they are the strongest WoD-splat with good reason.
Give them a problem, even if that problem is Exalted running around, and some time to research and prepare, and they can usually deal with it.
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This is DF with WoD mechanics though; they aren't wholly helpless but the limits aren't the same.

The senior council is pretty hard core, but they don't get so strong that they are forced to leave reality until they can rewrite it like a full on archmage does.

In any case it still power scales the setting like crazy, and erodes things like playing with the mortal issues significantly.

How much does that uplift matter really if all of a sudden the hamster wheel of escalation starts up and you have to be rocking a circle of terrestrials to get the time of day from anyone?


That's just the first of many issues; my concerns are more on the practical end in many cases.

I have 0% faith in the idea that exaltations of almost any kind can be let loose and then not end up spreading completely out of control. Molly is an example of why one loose celestial is a problem.

How much fun would say a single other infernal with the crown of eyes who's decided to be an asshole be? How about a Lunar going big ham somewhere sensitive without regards for the broader implications, or a pair of Solars exalting on opposite sides of a deeply bitter conflict somewhere around the globe?

The one place I could maybe sort of see things working would be with the mega-project we talked about around metropolitans from the index a while back. Rather than making exalts, which would be bullshit, making an off brand modern equivalent directly tied to a city/city god would localize things.

Still very risky, but with end to end control and no need to handle more than one at a time such a set of mortal mantles could serve as a critical balancing agent for getting humans a seat at the table without destroying reality.

If the power levels and lifespans are kept reasonable we might even avoid permanently yoking humanity to unmovable divine tyrants. Again.


Even that I consider a very long term pipe dream for after we're strong enough to make a lot of other progress stick.

Yog said:
My counter-argument is that we have been repeatedly shown and told that opposition also gets a vote, and at least some hints that other exaltations might be obtainable in the setting. I would much rather have Infernal Susan Rodriguez being our rival for Harry's interest, than Marcone being our rival for Chicago's lordship. And that's for infernals; abyssals (the other splat that should be outside Black Vault and could thus, theoretically, be obtained without flipping the setting's table over) are a whole different thing.

And, of course, if we are looking for more circle mates, there might be a tribe of dragonblooded somewhere in the deep NeverNever (possibly in stasis), or Autochtonian ruins.
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The opposition does get a vote, but they've been voting since at minimum before Emma-O found Usum and haven't got much to show for it. Molly is some sort of weird special case.

I suspect that this is something that effectively be solved by throwing time and resources at it without something more to handle the blocker.

There's also the issue of the problems still existing either way if they do get out.

"The world is still screwed, but at least we got to pick who started it and where" isn't a palatable conciliation prize to me.

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Independent of that, any thoughts on my question suggestions from earlier? I think the last on your list is suboptimal for getting all useful language lore.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
The opposition does get a vote, but they've been voting since at minimum before Emma-O found Usum and haven't got much to show for it. Molly is some sort of weird special case.

I suspect that this is something that effectively be solved by throwing time and resources at it without something more to handle the blocker.

There's also the issue of the problems still existing either way if they do get out.

"The world is still screwed, but at least we got to pick who started it and where" isn't a palatable conciliation prize to me.
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Before we actually exalted, I get a feeling that looking for more exaltations was a low priority thing, if it was a thing at all for Kakuri. It was a magical weapon of some kind, something that could give them advantage on a battlefield, but not something super important. Now, not only they, but also Odin at least got at least some idea of what an embodied exaltation can do, and how scary exalts can be. Once we get our kingdom? That's going to be a whole new level of priority. So, now more people are looking, and the priority is higher. So I wouldn't be so sure that "they didn't find more before" is a valid counter-argument.

As to the latter, we differ in our view on how more exalted would affect the world.
 
Unrelated note, but given Molly's urge (which is frankly also the thread's most of the time) I think it's worth spending some more time expanding our alchemy in the buff/info directions soon.

We really don't use it enough, and adding some things that play into what we're commonly concerned about poking is a flavorful way to break that habit and get some more utility.

At 2 dots we can already do some buffing, int and mild sense enhancements should be doable at this level.

Once we get 3-4 some more substantial effects could be put together, especially if we narrow their scope as is traditional with these things.

Adding 2-4 dice with some stacking effects, and possibly less tangible gains like getting esoteric hints to guide our questions before we ask them via alchemical vision-salts or whatever, could make a notable difference at our level.
Yog said:
Before we actually exalted, I get a feeling that looking for more exaltations was a low priority thing, if it was a thing at all for Kakuri. It was a magical weapon of some kind, something that could give them advantage on a battlefield, but not something super important. Now, not only they, but also Odin at least got at least some idea of what an embodied exaltation can do, and how scary exalts can be. Once we get our kingdom? That's going to be a whole new level of priority. So, now more people are looking, and the priority is higher. So I wouldn't be so sure that "they didn't find more before" is a valid counter-argument.

As to the latter, we differ in our view on how more exalted would affect the world.
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How about we put a pin in it for a bit longer?

This debate will need concluded at some point, but it's probably better to wait until it's more grounded in the quest rather than abstraction or potentially explosive IRL thought experiments.

There isn't a point in generating salt to carry in when we actually do need to address it.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This is DF with WoD mechanics though; they aren't wholly helpless but the limits aren't the same.

The senior council is pretty hard core, but they don't get so strong that they are forced to leave reality until they can rewrite it like a full on archmage does.

In any case it still power scales the setting like crazy, and erodes things like playing with the mortal issues significantly.

How much does that uplift matter really if all of a sudden the hamster wheel of escalation starts up and you have to be rocking a circle of terrestrials to get the time of day from anyone?


That's just the first of many issues; my concerns are more on the practical end in many cases.

I have 0% faith in the idea that exaltations of almost any kind can be let loose and then not end up spreading completely out of control. Molly is an example of why one loose celestial is a problem.

How much fun would say a single other infernal with the crown of eyes who's decided to be an asshole be? How about a Lunar going big ham somewhere sensitive without regards for the broader implications, or a pair of Solars exalting on opposite sides of a deeply bitter conflict somewhere around the globe?

The one place I could maybe sort of see things working would be with the mega-project we talked about around metropolitans from the index a while back. Rather than making exalts, which would be bullshit, making an off brand modern equivalent directly tied to a city/city god would localize things.

Still very risky, but with end to end control and no need to handle more than one at a time such a set of mortal mantles could serve as a critical balancing agent for getting humans a seat at the table without destroying reality.

If the power levels and lifespans are kept reasonable we might even avoid permanently yoking humanity to unmovable divine tyrants. Again.


Even that I consider a very long term pipe dream for after we're strong enough to make a lot of other progress stick.



The opposition does get a vote, but they've been voting since at minimum before Emma-O found Usum and haven't got much to show for it. Molly is some sort of weird special case.

I suspect that this is something that effectively be solved by throwing time and resources at it without something more to handle the blocker.

There's also the issue of the problems still existing either way if they do get out.

"The world is still screwed, but at least we got to pick who started it and where" isn't a palatable conciliation prize to me.

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Independent of that, any thoughts on my question suggestions from earlier? I think the last on your list is suboptimal for getting all useful language lore.
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in fairness harrys gramps has abilities we wont be rocking even at essence 5 with accompanying charms. Dude can do some damage. Given in straight combat hes probably the strongest senior council member.
 
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SinisterPorpoise said:
IIRC while a Coadjucator doesn't choose specific candidates they can choose things like "this isn't the correct time, I'm just gonna wait a little while longer".
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They could but to quote Exalted vs World of Darkenss:
Lesser devils and other wicked spirits crawled into the vents and crevasses, drawn on by the song of ancient power. It was the last mistake they ever made; as the devils found the Exaltations, they were possessed and sent screaming out of Yomi Wan, one after another, to seek mortal men and women.
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It must not be comfortable
A devil, roasting in a torrent of emerald flames, appears to the prospective host. Driven by the all-consuming power of the Exaltation, it makes its offer: power to set the world to rights, power to answer all slights and grievances, power without chains or fealty: a burning crown fit for a Prince of the Earth. Those who refuse generally die at the hands of an agonized and dying devil, before it departs to find a new candidate.
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I am very skeptical that they will choose to wait while being constantly burned by nuclear hate, suffering unimaginable agony and dying.

Even in the ancient age the Coadjucator risk the Exaltations within them killing them until they had delivered them to the Chosen One.
 
BronzeTongue said:
How about we put a pin in it for a bit longer?

This debate will need concluded at some point, but it's probably better to wait until it's more grounded in the quest rather than abstraction or potentially explosive IRL thought experiments.

There isn't a point in generating salt to carry in when we actually do need to address it.
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Very well.
BoredMan said:
What do you mean by that? If you don't mind elaborating I mean.
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As seen above I was asked to stop, so, just briefly summarizing - I see more potential than danger in releasing some of the exaltations under certain conditions and with a large amount of preparations.
Azais said:
They could but to quote Exalted vs World of Darkenss:

It must not be comfortable

I am very skeptical that they will choose to wait while being constantly burned by nuclear hate, suffering unimaginable agony and dying.

Even in the ancient age the Coadjucator risk the Exaltations within them killing them until they had delivered them to the Chosen One.
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That's true, but on the other hand, see Usum. Very much wasn't roasting in emerald flames, and was in the exaltation since the Age of Legends.
 
I'd maybe be willing to release exalatations if we were essence 6 new primordial. Given I don't see us getting there ever way too big requirements. But, if we did we could at least feasibly start an organization. Its still the wizard meme and WILL cause problems. But, we'd at least be capable of dealing with some of those problems.
 
DragonParadox said:
Broken Wicked Things
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COMMENTARY
Lydia's fine, which is good.
Honestly surprised that Lara appears to be fighting alone here. Where are her sisters?
Are they all guarding Constantine Raith?

Lara is being a lot more overt in her response here compared to canon.
Overt inter-House murder is rare.

That said, the canon plot in White Knight only risked a war with the White Council.
The Ant plot in this AU bore the risk of putting them at war with not just the White Council, but what feels like an archdevil with a record of killing or being involved in the deaths of fairly potent things.

And she did have to consider the distinct possibility that it could get worse, given that Molly still living under the Carpenter roof implies uncomfortable things about the allies she might be able to call on. Nevermind if she had heard about what Molly got up to on Halloween.

A more vigorous response might have been warranted.
I do wonder what else she turned up in the investigation of the Red Court infiltration plot; its probably quite embarassing to have the Reds almost out-subvert the subversion faction of vampires.


Going to note that breaking the neck of a White Court vampire isnt necessarily going to kill it.
Lord Raith canonically broke Thomas neck during the final confrontation in Blood Rites, and Thomas straight up healed that injury in a couple minutes.


Its worth paying attention to what Molly is giving from the perspective of Lara, and probably the other living Whampire elders.

Molly currently looks like a flying metal skinned figure with blue eyes, bearing a brass-colored demonsword and glowing with a corona of green fire with filled with spooky eyes. No blood, no visible major injuries despite fighting a brief, victorious duel with an entity that was throwing Rank 9 Disciplines around like party favors, while backed by a pair of ducal bodyguards.

She probably looks fairly intimidating even to those who cant tell what she just did.
And I suspect Lara has the senses to tell.


We might be interested in getting our hands on the amulet/talisman that Madrigal was wearing.
It probably counts as a divination focus.
And might well be
OctarineShrike said:
[X] It's gone (Only those with the senses to feel it will know you slew the Walker)
May as well do some information compartmentalization per that promise to Charity so long ago.
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We permakilled the Outsider in front of an audience of Whampire elders.
Cats out of the bag.
Necessity.

fictionfan said:
You think that is showing respect? I was mocking. Also doing some anti recovery by renaming it to something lessor.
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You're doing too much.
You do a lot better job of being intimidating when you behave as if that sort of encounter is routine, as opposed to some big deal worth paying attention to.

BronzeTongue said:
Independent of that, any thoughts on my question suggestions from earlier? I think the last on your list is suboptimal for getting all useful language lore.
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If you want language lore, you buy the relevant charm.
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Hell-Walker Technique (•••)
Attuning herself to the emanations of the Spirit World, the Infernal paces about until she finds a hidden path that leads between worlds, and sets her feet upon it.

System: Spend 1 Essence and roll Wits + Survival against a difficulty of the local Gauntlet. Success transports the character into the Penumbra. By raising the difficulty by 1 (to a maximum of 9) and spending 1 additional Essence per ally, the Infernal can also draw other willing characters into the Spirit World with her. This Charm may also be used in reverse to return to the material world.

The character also permanently gains the ability to understand the language of spirits and to make herself clearly understood by them.
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Given as spirits in the setting include ghosts as well as Fae, Dragons, Outsiders,akuma and the like, this is your polglot charm if you want language lore.
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Yog said:
[X] Crown questions after the fighting ends
-[X] Occult excellency and ATB
-[X] Using the body of the sacrifice "Who is the Empyreal Chaos spoken of by the being summoned through this sacrifice?"
-[X] Using the bodyguard "What were the plans of the being that possessed their master's body?"
-[X] Using a random party goes of no importance "what was the non-human language heard by this person during the fight?"
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1)This is burning 5m of Essence; 3m net if we get a supernatural secret.
And you're doing this without actually getting a look at Vittorio Malvora.
Thats just unwise.


2)You're asking the wrong questions.
Knowing who or what the Empyreal Chaos is does not actually do shit for us, especially in the context of this quest.

What we actually have a need to know is:
Sacrifice: What are the Princes of the Earth spoken of by the being summoned by this sacrifice?
That will actually answer some of the questions Molly has about what she is.
 
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[X] I killed it (Lay public claim to having killed a Walker with all the attention and the fear that engenders)


While I would prefer to keep our mouths shut?
I dont think we can successfully hide this, not after doing it in front of a passel of White Court elders.
 
uju32 said:
2)You're asking the wrong questions.
Knowing who or what the Empyreal Chaos is does not actually do shit for us, especially in the context of this quest.

What we actually have a need to know is:
Sacrifice: What are the Princes of the Earth spoken of by the being summoned by this sacrifice?
That will actually answer some of the questions Molly has about what she is.
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1) We need to know what an Empyreal Chaos is in order to understand why and in what way we are its spawn.
2) Princes of the Earth is also damn important, yes. That's what I am planning to use the audio recording Clippy should have for.

We need both the Empyreal Chaos and Princes of the Earth in order to get correct understand what an Infernal Exalted is. Because otherwise, we are likely to get information on solaroids and dragonbloods, not infernals.
 
I think that TLF would basically always apply to Hell-Walker Technique given the Penumbra is an environmental hazard that almost certainly counts as a place of desolation.

Not that we are likely to ever get Hell-Walker Technique. 12 XP when we already have some allies able to make portals.
 
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Yog said:
1) We need to know what an Empyreal Chaos is in order to understand why and in what way we are its spawn.
2) Princes of the Earth is also damn important, yes. That's what I am planning to use the audio recording Clippy should have for.

We need both the Empyreal Chaos and Princes of the Earth in order to get correct understand what an Infernal Exalted is. Because otherwise, we are likely to get information on solaroids and dragonbloods, not infernals.
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None of which has any relevance to our current situation.

Knowing what the Empyreal Chaos WAS does not tell us what Molly is, because Infernal Exalts are only tangentially related to Theion-That-Was.
Theion =/=Malfeas.

Princes of the Earth is an actually useful question.

And frankly, we know IC that Mab and Winter know who the Green Sun That Was Is.
Figuring out what an Infernal Exalt is is as simple as finding a Winter Fae to use as a focus.
Or going back to Mac's to use the table where we were sitting as a focus.

fictionfan said:
Not that we are likely to ever get Hell-Walker Technique. 12 XP when we already have some allies able to make portals.
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A major plot thread is our relationship with the Thousand Hells, and plotting to overthrow Emma-O.
Of course we're going to buy it.
Just not immediately.
 
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Yog said:
As seen above I was asked to stop, so, just briefly summarizing - I see more potential than danger in releasing some of the exaltations under certain conditions and with a large amount of preparations.
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Just to be clear; wasn't trying to put a cork in anything, and even if I was I have no right to shut things down anyway.

I just didn't want to get caught in an exhaustive round of effort posting where neither side wants to be the first to stop and we have the first part of an debate that can't be put to bed until the game changes over and over till we're sick of it.

Pretty sure anyone who's been on SV/SB more than a year has seen or done that at least once. I certainly stepped on that landmine before.

uju32 said:
Going to note that breaking the neck of a White Court vampire isnt necessarily going to kill it.
Lord Raith canonically broke Thomas neck during the final confrontation in Blood Rites, and Thomas straight up healed that injury in a couple minutes.
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Which might be why she turned his head around. Whamp regen is good, but I don't think we see them do stuff like radical repositioning so much as replacing things. I wouldn't be surprised if IC twisting his head the right way around in time would save a vamp like that, but if left alone they're definitely screwed barring specialist protean/fortitude powers.
uju32 said:
Its worth paying attention to what Molly is giving from the perspective of Lara, and probably the other living Whampire elders.

Molly currently looks like a flying metal skinned figure with blue eyes, bearing a brass-colored demonsword and glowing with a corona of green fire with filled with spooky eyes. No blood, no visible major injuries despite fighting a brief, victorious duel with an entity that was throwing Rank 9 Disciplines around like party favors, while backed by a pair of ducal bodyguards.

She probably looks fairly intimidating even to those who cant tell what she just did.
And I suspect Lara has the senses to tell.
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Also the demon-armor that is constantly singing her praises in languages some of them might actually know in passing.

The briefness of the duel is probably unremarkable relatively speaking though. This level of combat seems very rocket tag style with the combat system bias toward multi-action stuff and the various throughput limits most entities have.

Then there's the general dynamic of predators fighting in the wild to consider. Generally they don't pick fights unless they think they can win handily or don't have a choice. People aren't animals, but the evaluations aren't that different.

I wouldn't be surprised if most fights these guys see are shorter the stronger the people involved are; either ending in submission when one side realizes it's risking real injury or with things having already been set for maximum kill before anyone pulled the trigger.

The bit where endurance would start unsettling then would be if we do this dance with another elder right now, since we're basically just as ready to rumble as we were when the scene started.

uju32 said:
Given as spirits in the setting include ghosts as well as Fae, Dragons, Outsiders,akuma and the like, this is your polglot charm if you want language lore.
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Fair, but I saw that as more of a communication facilitator than anything teaching us relevance.

Asking about the languages spoken here the right way could tell us what to care about in the first place and how to frame later investigations.

I just think asking about say the oldest/most esoteric languages spoken here tonight is more likely to get us what we want in one essence than asking about what people heard. The crown isn't a genie but it also does what we tell it to. If we key off of the crowd's senses then that's what we'll get.

fictionfan said:
I think that TLF would basically always apply to Hell-Walker Technique given the Penumbra is an environmental hazard that almost certainly counts as a place of desolation.

Not that we are likely to ever get Hell-Walker Technique. 12 XP when we already have some allies able to make portals.
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There is some synergy with our hell to be fair.

Right now we have to use the default route, which requires us to meet a condition to enter it. If the charms interact as written we might be able to just walk into our hell as needed because we count as an access point at all times.

Not sure if that's strictly worth it, but combined with the language thing it's worth evaluating.

firefrog600 said:
in fairness harrys gramps has abilities we wont be rocking even at essence 5 with accompanying charms. Dude can do some damage. Given in straight combat hes probably the strongest senior council member.
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He's dangerous in his area of expertise, but I wouldn't universally bet on him either. There's also only so many guys like him around in the base setting.

If you need to reach for Ebenezer for a counter example it's probably an indication the bar has moved up considerably and things are going to start getting weird.
 
BronzeTongue said:
He's dangerous in his area of expertise, but I wouldn't universally bet on him either. There's also only so many guys like him around in the base setting.

If you need to reach for Ebenezer for a counter example it's probably an indication the bar has moved up considerably and things are going to start getting weird.
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They fact that the Red Court put together a bloodline ritual powerful enough to kill the entire Red Court to kill him likely says more then anything else. It was one of the more contrived overkill methods of assassination I have ever seen and I doubt that they would have if they thought a sniper team had even single percent chances of working.

Then again maybe they would the bad guys are often kind of insane in DF.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
I wouldn't be surprised if most fights these guys see are shorter the stronger the people involved are; either ending in submission when one side realizes it's risking real injury or with things having already been set for maximum kill before anyone pulled the trigger.
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Given that these are all White Court, I suspect a more traditional duel would propably involve some mindfuck-attempts and debuffing, before escalating to swift and brutal violence.
Of course Molly skips that step with complete immunity.
 
uju32 said:
Knowing what the Empyreal Chaos WAS does not tell us what Molly is, because Infernal Exalts are only tangentially related to Theion-That-Was.
Theion =/=Malfeas.
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Yes. And the Walker called us "The spawn of Empyreal Chaos". It's important to know what it meant. Because knowing about Devil Tigers and "I am actually a baby Creator Deity, not Gilgamesh on hell steroids" is important. It changes the perspective. At least as much as "Exalted were weapons made by a Creator Titan to defeat other Creator Titans and at some point ruled previous iteration of Creation".
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Princes of the Earth is an actually useful question.
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Princes of the Earth are a specific title referring to either Solars and Lunars (in the first age) or Dragonblooded (after the usurpation). Information we obtain from it is likely to be misleading. We need more. It's important to know context, but, frankly, I think Empyreal Chaos knowledge will give us more, if for no other reason than it should refresh Usum's memories. The guy deserves that.
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And frankly, we know IC that Mab and Winter know who the Green Sun That Was Is.
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No, we don't. Mab has some information, seemingly horribly distorted by the passage of ages.
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uju32 said:
Figuring out what an Infernal Exalt is is as simple as finding a Winter Fae to use as a focus.
Or going back to Mac's to use the table where we were sitting as a focus.
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That's an argument not to spend these foci on Prince of the Earth question, but to go all in on Empyreal Chaos. And how we are its spawn.
 
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fictionfan said:
They fact that the Red Court put together a bloodline ritual powerful enough to kill the entire Red Court to kill him likely says more then anything else. It was one of the more contrived overkill methods of assassination I have ever seen and I doubt that they would have if they thought a sniper team had even single percent chances of working.

Then again maybe they would the bad guys are often kind of insane in DF.
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My assumption was mostly that it's because he's a ridiculously hard target and can with time play anything from artillery to low grade wmd.

At the level of the game they're playing he could just keep punching them till they did something about it. It's not like they haven't credibly threatened to kill him with conventional force before, so it's not like it was the only way to handle things.
Artemis1992 said:
Given that these are all White Court, I suspect a more traditional duel would propably involve some mindfuck-attempts and debuffing, before escalating to swift and brutal violence.
Of course Molly skips that step with complete immunity.
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Mind powers would be involved, but I'd still bet on the general rule of more power leading to faster more brutal fights holding.

Big guys with a lot to lose are less likely to get in the ring unless they mean business.

Counting coup beforehand would definitely be more of a thing, but I wouldn't sort that the same way.
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No, we don't. Mab has some information, seemingly horribly distorted by the passage of ages.
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We got clarification on her intent with that passage. It wasn't nearly as distorted as you were reading it:
DragonParadox said:
She was referring Molly's caste mark (that upon her brow), which is a sun that burns green, she identified that as 'Green Sun That Was Before the Sun'
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She definitely knows something, but it's hard to say how much at this point.

Personally I think she has some very good lore, very incomplete but not necessarily wrong in what she does know.

The most valuable to us is probably the bits between where the exaltations get buried and everything else starts up. That's more accessible to her and comes from an angle that direct sources on the exalted wouldn't necessarily cover.
 
BronzeTongue said:
We got clarification on her intent with that passage. It wasn't nearly as distorted as you were reading it:

She definitely knows something, but it's hard to say how much at this point.

Personally I think she has some very good lore, very incomplete but not necessarily wrong in what she does know.

The most valuable to us is probably the bits between where the exaltations get buried and everything else starts up. That's more accessible to her and comes from an angle that direct sources on the exalted wouldn't necessarily cover.
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Oh, thank you. We should probably find some winter fae to see what their queen knows about "Green Sun That Was Before the Sun". And maybe also use an astrophysics textbook as a foci for "what is the real reason there are no green stars?" question (real life you don't get green stars because of how black body radiation works). Or maybe "where can I find a green star?".
 
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