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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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zxzx24 said:
Especially as opposed to a Strength 8bdifficulty five weapon.
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Thing is, is that Sandstrike Blast is a Charm which requires Essence, but a Demonic Aspect is always turnable (On and Off) at will with no Essence expenditure. And it doesn't use Melee as an Ability so we can't enhance it with Excellencies to turn it into 18-20 Dice pool.
Artemis1992 said:
We are unarmed and we can't even deal lethal damage to turn into aggravated without a blade or gun.

Besides it will look cool...
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Not only will it give us a means to use our primary combat Ability (Melee), if you are worried about an enemy coming back up after being stabbed by us, Green Sun Nimbus Flare would do the job of ending them for us with (Str, Cha or Int) level of Aggravated Damage.
 
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[] Broken-Winged Crane
Key Charms: Lanka: Demon City of the Rakshas and The Hell of Being Skinned Alive
Standard Charms
No Category: Key to the Kingdom: (Favored Abilities) (•) Excellency use your skills to supernatural levels
Lakha: Impervious Primacy Mantle (•••) Cannot be caused to betray, undermine to abandon Intimacies, can spend 1 Ess or 1 wp to immunize to all mind influence for the scene.
Lakha: By Rage Recast (•)
The Wicked City: Counter-Conceptual Interposition (••••) Rewrite reality to perfectly defend yourself from harm's way
Lakha: Green Sun Nimbus Flare (•••) Burn your enemies in the fire of your hate

Background
Mentor ••••• (Michael) -5 Points
Demonic Guide ••••• (Can be used to fly; conjure infernal weapons etc...)
-Demon Weapons
-Transcendent Anathema

Freebie Points 15 to start with:
Flaw:
-Eerie Presence (+2 Points)
-Vengeful (+2 Points) [Fetch]
-Enemy (+2 points) [Denarians]
-Cold Breeze (+1 Points)
Willpower •••••••••• -5 points
Dexterity 5 - 5 points
Raw-Edged Paranoia Principle (••) -6 points

This would be what I would choose, and would recommend...At first glance. Thoughts?

It's a bit incomplete as of yet, the main discussion I'd like is about the Charm selection +BP

I can't find the BP costs though.
 
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Jack vile Ripper said:
Thing is, is that Sandstrike Blast is a Charm which requires Essence, but a Demonic Aspect is always turnable (On and Off) at will with no Essence expenditure. And it doesn't use Melee as an Ability so we can't enhance it with Excellencies to turn it into 18-20 Dice pool.
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That is cool, and there is something to be said for having a weapon always at our beck and call.

But we could probably make a better sword than +2 difficulty 6.

Though that truly isnt a reason to be opposed to taking it. We do need a sword now.

Although. @Jack vile Ripper do you really think were more likely to run into a hostile perfect attack then we are to run into hostile shaping effects? This is dresden files, not Exalted. Or even world of darkness.

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Freebie Point Costs
Attribute 5
Ability 2
Key Ability 1
Charm (rating × 3)
Ancient Sorcery Spell 5
Essence 10
Backgrounds 1
Willpower 1
 
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zxzx24 said:
Although. @Jack vile Ripper do you really think were more likely to run into a hostile perfect attack then we are to run into hostile shaping effects? This is dresden files, not Exalted. Or even world of darkness.
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Well, the problem is that the Shaping Defense Charm that could help us is a 5-Dot Charm: Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy. In FP terms, it costs us 15 FP. So even if we want it, it's too expensive for us.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Well, the problem is that the Shaping Defense Charm that could help us is a 5-Dot Charm: Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy. In FP terms, it costs us 15 FP. So even if we want it, it's too expensive for us.
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Unless I'm sorely mistaken we definetly can? We start out with 15 points, and can get more with drawbacks.

On top of that you got a four dot perfect defense... for some reason. I want you to tell me why you think dumping 12 points on something that niche is worth it. I dont want a perfect defense OR pattern infused ego.

It's just that pattern infused ego will actually come up.
 
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Standard Charms
No Category: Key to the Kingdom: (Favored Abilities) (•) Excellency use your skills to supernatural levels
Lakha: Impervious Primacy Mantle (•••) Cannot be caused to betray, undermine to abandon Intimacies, can spend 1 Ess or 1 wp to immunize to all mind influence for the scene.
Lakha: By Rage Recast (•)
The Wicked City: Counter-Conceptual Interposition (••••) Rewrite reality to perfectly defend yourself from harm's way
Lakha: Green Sun Nimbus Flare (•••) Burn your enemies in the fire of your hate
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Valkhir, either I'm seeing things, or that's a 12 Dots of Charm.

Infernal Exalted can only have 7 Dots for Charms with 5 from Key Charms.
• Choose Charms (7 dots in total). At least 5 dots of Charms must be from your Key Charms.
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zxzx24 said:
Unless I'm sorely mistaken we definetly can? We start out with 15 points, and can get more with drawbacks.

On top of that you got a four dot perfect defense... for some reason. I want you to tell me why you think dumping 12 points on something that niche is worth it. I dont want a perfect defense OR pattern infused ego.

It's just that pattern infused ego will actually come up.
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22 FP - 5 (raise Willpower to 10) - 5 (5 dots of Background) = 12 FP.

If you want to lower the WP or Background, you could buy the Shaping Defense, but if we want to maximize our father's capabilities and our Demonic Guide we need that 5 dots in background. And lowering Willpower is just suicide, so many anti-mind effects revolves around having high Willpower.
 
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Jack vile Ripper said:
Valkhir, either I'm seeing things, or that's a 12 Dots of Charm.

Infernal Exalted can only have 7 Dots for Charms with 5 from Key Charms.



22 FP - 5 (raise Willpower to 10) - 5 (5 dots of Background) = 12 FP.

If you want to lower the WP or Background, you could buy the Shaping Defense, but if we want to maximize our father's capabilities and our Demonic Guide we need that 5 dots in background. And lowering Willpower is just suicide, so many anti-mind effects revolves around having high Willpower.
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I missed that, let me just...do some pruning. Sorry about that.

Edit: What do people think of Viridian Legend Exoskeleton for some soak or Erupting Fury Rebuke? Since Erupting Fury just specifies human hands, it may just explode any kind of focus or such a wizard may have on them also.
 
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Alectai said:
If people can wait a few hours for me to make the drive home, I've got an idea or two.

Most importantly though, I feel that loading up on the Flaws is not a good idea, because Flaws are a pain in the ass to get rid of later, but everything people want to buy from them are things we can get in game. It's better to have a coherent character with maybe one or two iconic Flaws to drive storytelling than to just grab 7-10 points of flaws so you can come out guns blazing from the gate.

This is a DP game, if you think XP won't be generous, you haven't been watching very closely.
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By all means! I'm just throwing around ideas and finding out which one sticks and which one doesn't. It's not laid in stone yet.
Valkhir said:
Since Erupting Fury just specifies human hands, it may just explode any kind of focus or such a wizard may have on them also.
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Generic Exalted mechanics told me that a magical item is more durable than your common mortal appliances and so will be more difficult to break and alter. I will not be surprised to see if there will be a contested Willpower roll to allow such thing.
 
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I'm getting tangled in the numbers so I'll probably vote for Emerald plan.

You're planning to put By Rage Recast and Demon Weapon etc into it, right? That's got most of what I want and I realized I can't actually fit what I planned into the numbers.

Are you taking Kakuri as one of the Key/favoured stuff or are you open to Hell of Being Flayed? Because it looks to have some good stuff.

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Jack vile Ripper said:
Generic Exalted mechanics told me that a magical item is more durable than your common mortal appliances and so will be more difficult to break and alter. I will not be surprised to see if there will be a contested Willpower roll to allow such thing.
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Well maybe. the AN at the end of the last update implies to me that Exaltation and Charms can do some things just...like that. It's not like those things are made out of Magical Materials as defined in Exalted.
 
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Valkhir said:
You're planning to put By Rage Recast and Demon Weapon etc into it, right? That's got most of what I want and I realized I can't actually fit what I planned into the numbers.
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Well, I'm thinking of buying By Rage Recast in play, since due to the fact that it's a Key Charm and thus would receive a discount to purchase (Charm rating x 3) EXP as opposed to (Charm rating x 4) EXP for non-key Charm.

Our current setup is good for general utilization as opposed to utter combat-focus. But we will buy other Charms down the line. Sides, Green Sun Nimbus Flare already melts through our opposition.

But I can add in By Rage Recast if you want....?
Valkhir said:
Are you taking Kakuri as one of the Key/favoured stuff or are you open to Hell of Being Flayed? Because it looks to have some good stuff.
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Honestly, man. Kakuri is cool as heck. So I think I'm going to still pick Kakuri. It has Golden Years Tarnished Black, Bloodless Murk Evasion and False Spring Beckon. Perfect for our manipulator build.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
But I can add in By Rage Recast if you want....?
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I'd be more comfortable with always having the option to have a good weapon. We went 5 dots into Melee and we'd be pretty hosed if we're caught defenceless.

Edit: Sure, I am sold on Kakuri. Unbound Eschaton also looks cool, if a bit limited by once per story. I wanted Hell of Flayed mainly for the Charm for Thousandfold Typhoon Hand and Murder is Meat mostly, but Offering of Blood and Meat is good enough replacement.
 
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Right, so I made several corrections to Emerald Angel Unfurling vote.

[] Emerald Angel Unfurling V 1.2
Key Charms: Lanka: Demon City of the Rakshas and Kakuri: the Night Realm
Standard Charms
No Category: Key to the Kingdom: (Favored Abilities) (•) Excellency use your skills to supernatural levels
The Hell of Being Skinned Alive: Freedom Lets Go (•) Burn a supernatural control or geas at the cost of an intimacy
Kakuri: Cracked Cell Circumvention (•) Escape more easily from bindings of all sorts
Kakuri: Without Honor, Without Hope (•) Immunity to Cold; power from Cold
Lakha: Green Sun Nimbus Flare (•••) Burn your enemies in the fire of your hate

Background
Mentor ••••• (Michael) -5 Points
Demonic Guide ••••• (Demonic Aspect: Demon Weapons & Transcendent Anathema)

Freebie Points 15 to start with:
Flaw:
-Eerie Presence (+2 Points)
-Vengeful (+2 Points) [Fetch]
-Enemy (+2 points) [Denarians]
-Cold Breeze (+1 Points)
Willpower •••••••••• -5 points
Lanka: By Rage Recast (••) Gird yourself with the manyfold panoplies of Hell -6 points

6 FP leftover. Which one should we pick? Backgrounds? Charms? Abilities?
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
22 FP - 5 (raise Willpower to 10) - 5 (5 dots of Background) = 12 FP.

If you want to lower the WP or Background, you could buy the Shaping Defense, but if we want to maximize our father's capabilities and our Demonic Guide we need that 5 dots in background. And lowering Willpower is just suicide, so many anti-mind effects revolves around having high Willpower.
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Yee. Honestly having had more time to think on it I am more alright with your build. I would still prefer evil genie, but... you kind of built something and I don't know if you did it intentionally?

Jack vile Ripper said:
[] Emerald Angel Unfurling
Key Charms: Lanka: Demon City of the Rakshas and Kakuri: the Night Realm
Standard Charms
No Category: Key to the Kingdom: (Favored Abilities) (•) Excellency use your skills to supernatural levels
The Hell of Being Skinned Alive: Freedom Lets Go (•) Burn a supernatural control or geas at the cost of an intimacy
Kakuri: Cracked Cell Circumvention (•) Escape more easily from bindings of all sorts
Kakuri: Without Honor, Without Hope (•) Immunity to Cold; power from Cold
Lakha: Green Sun Nimbus Flare (•••) Burn your enemies in the fire of your hate

Background
Mentor ••••• (Michael) -5 Points
Demonic Guide ••••• (Demonic Aspect: Demon Weapons)

Freebie Points 15 to start with:
Flaw:
-Eerie Presence (+2 Points)
-Vengeful (+2 Points) [Fetch]
-Enemy (+2 points) [Denarians]
-Cold Breeze (+1 Points)
Willpower •••••••••• -5 points
The Wicked City: Counter-Conceptual Interposition (••••) Rewrite reality to perfectly defend yourself from harm's way -12 points

There, that's my first draft.

Anyone who get the Infernal Exalted name reference gets an internet cookie.
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Jack vile Ripper said:
Honestly, man. Kakuri is cool as heck. So I think I'm going to still pick Kakuri. It has Golden Years Tarnished Black, Bloodless Murk Evasion and False Spring Beckon. Perfect for our manipulator build.
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There are far worse things than being the first, last, and only answer to supernatural combat.

Melee excellency, damage pumper, perfect defense, etc, etc.

Its an Unga Bunga build but if were going to be fighting we might as well be the best at fighting. Especially if our five dot mentor is going to be the Dresden universes first last and only answer to "beating the shit out of people."

Honestly given our abilities and charms I would liken us most to an infernal Paladin. Complete with the devil on our shoulder.
 
zxzx24 said:
Melee excellency, damage pumper, perfect defense, etc, etc.

Its an Unga Bunga build but if were going to be fighting we might as well be the best at fighting. Especially if our five dot mentor is going to be the Dresden universes first last and only answer to "beating the shit out of people."

Honestly given our abilities and charms I would liken us most to an infernal Paladin. Complete with the devil on our shoulder.
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Honestly dude, I am sitting at the edge of my seat. I just want a balance between a Social, an Intellectual and a Martial. Everything else is really slapdash.

Although I was set on Kakuri + Lanka.
 
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