I mean, what can be more "by the books" than interviewing witnesses
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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We knew their plan was bad, but holy shit that is twisted. Everyone involved in this needs to die, particularly the ones at the top.
So either get the prince first or send Micheal to talk them down. Depends on if they've tortured anyone to death yet.
This sounds fun. There are better uses for it, but it'd be entertaining to introduce ourselves as an Ordo Libes enforcer like that makes any kind of sense and then watch them increasingly freak out as Molly starts doing infernal things.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
- Location
- ALSO SCREAMING.
I'm damn glad that Lydia was here. This legitimately was a mountain of connections compared to the molehill provided by our crown, evidence that we should only ever rely on it to get us started down a path but never to walk it to its end. Bless that beautiful woman... though, fuck, things like this have to be causing lost sleep.
Just remember, shits probably going to go down during the feast. Anyone we bring is going to be someone we have to protect, if they are even slightly squishy, and not everyone is as resistant to White Court blasting out their poisoned emotions as we are. There may be a hundred White Court members going off at the same time if things go wild.
[X] Artemis1992
The Epulum Jovis is a ritual feast where honored participants are chosen to act as proxies for the gods in acts of consumption and decadence, deeply tied to acts of competition and oneupsmanship and, weirdly, sports gambling. Romans had a very different idea of what piety meant and it had precious little to do with temperance. Now its probably mutated a hell of a lot over the centuries, the original ritual being an excuse, but it is going to be one hell of a party. Our killing these assholes would not be the first time there was blood sport at one of these events.
Amusingly, if we brought Lydia one of the gods would be in attendance without proxy. I wonder if any of the ones who are there by theoretical proxy would notice.
Just remember, shits probably going to go down during the feast. Anyone we bring is going to be someone we have to protect, if they are even slightly squishy, and not everyone is as resistant to White Court blasting out their poisoned emotions as we are. There may be a hundred White Court members going off at the same time if things go wild.
[X] Artemis1992
Chances are we'll be set up in a position where we're forced to either violate White Council rules, people not knowing that the current story is that we're not exactly considered human, or be put into a position where we have to fuck ourselves over to avoid a masquerade breach. If mortals start dying it would be easy to use connections to mire us in all sorts of bullshit.
In more ways than one. Hoo-boy, this definitely isn't the sort of party we should be at before we hit eighteen or twenty one.
The Epulum Jovis is a ritual feast where honored participants are chosen to act as proxies for the gods in acts of consumption and decadence, deeply tied to acts of competition and oneupsmanship and, weirdly, sports gambling. Romans had a very different idea of what piety meant and it had precious little to do with temperance. Now its probably mutated a hell of a lot over the centuries, the original ritual being an excuse, but it is going to be one hell of a party. Our killing these assholes would not be the first time there was blood sport at one of these events.
Amusingly, if we brought Lydia one of the gods would be in attendance without proxy. I wonder if any of the ones who are there by theoretical proxy would notice.
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Is it me or does she likes us? Because that really feels like a *I can help you make it so that it doesn't happen again* and coming from her, that's quite a lot.
At least when she sees a thing man was not meant to know trying to intimidate her, she's liable to react with a *Meh, Molly does it better*… that's how it works, right?
Open book.
Open. Book.
Open. Book.
Well, she contributed, at least?
I didn't know we were going to a library today, look at all these wide open books.
Remind me of a D&D joke, it goes like this:
*When the Qm wants to do a murder mystery, I really should remind him my character knows the speak to the dead spell*
Well, don't remember, does Lydia have a perfect mental defense?
Yeah, but if we know the trick we can presumably disarm parts of it, like the bit where they get evidence to someone who cares.
If we can't then we ask Micheal to disarm them. I'd be surprised if he couldn't talk them around since he's one of the white God's few direct representatives.
She has her equivalent, sort of.
For terrestrials the passive ability to ignore things that go against your intimacies and the bit where you can reject mind altering magic are split; she has the latter and not the former. Further, the terrestrial charms for bouncing mind magic aren't as good as the celestial ones on a base level.
Molly can ignore all mind altering magic for one will or mote regardless of the number of attackers.
Lydia has this:
Which is still great, but means that she'd rapidly burn through her essence pool in a fight where lots of whamps are indiscriminately blasting their powers.
Note it is also self serving for her. She is presenting this to US as a chance to scare the rest of the white court into leaving us alone. She is going to present this to THEM as "Hey, see that scary murder blender? I have her on speed dial. We get coffee sometimes."
The White Court does not default to an assumption of partnership. Everyone is ether a pawn, a master, or a rival. If we show up at Lara's behest to a White Court gathering to lay down justice on her enemies people are not going to assume we are a rival or her master. They are going to assume we are her pawn, and a scary as shit pawn to boot.
Now, this isn't purely a bad thing. Being a pawn in Lara's chess game within the White Court at least ensures we have a place on the board. Lara winning is a desirable outcome for us, so I am not axiomatically opposed to being used.
But we should not forget that we are, absolutely, in every interaction with Lara, being used.
Sort of an aside, but I was rereading the early quest and this caught my eye.
It occurs to me that technically speaking Malpheas is going to escape in the end after all.
Not the largest bit of him unless he means he's literally what remains of Ligier, stuck to the only imperishable thing available to Malfeas as a desperate makeshift lifeboat, instead of some minor demon of his but still.
From a primordial perspective since Usum still exists Molly could arguably be taken as an extension of Malfeas' existence, and the formation of Molly's soul-world as proof of his final victory over the exalted host.
Then all that's needed is to clean up the ages of neglect so we can plug the divine Xbox back in and it'll be like the primordial war never happened.
Not the largest bit of him unless he means he's literally what remains of Ligier, stuck to the only imperishable thing available to Malfeas as a desperate makeshift lifeboat, instead of some minor demon of his but still.
From a primordial perspective since Usum still exists Molly could arguably be taken as an extension of Malfeas' existence, and the formation of Molly's soul-world as proof of his final victory over the exalted host.
Then all that's needed is to clean up the ages of neglect so we can plug the divine Xbox back in and it'll be like the primordial war never happened.
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Agree, you will be there for the Feast of Jupiter
-[X] Try to get other people invited: Ask Lydia if she wants to come, no pressure and you propably don't need help this time, but she seemed kinda affected by the plan, so she might want in on this from her own volition.
-[X] Try to get other people invited: Ask Lydia if she wants to come, no pressure and you propably don't need help this time, but she seemed kinda affected by the plan, so she might want in on this from her own volition.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I think that it should be - but he does know one other interesting thing
Fixed, thanks.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
There is always going to be more information to find.
Well it's nice to know that we are nipping this in the bud. There might not be a single victim this time.
[X] Agree, you will be there for the Feast of Jupiter
Molly should be able to beat 9 white court vampires at the same time. Mostly because we have a scene long perfect defense against their main trick and without that they are just somewhat enhanced humans. We should be able to soak all their attacks even if they are armed.
Only problem is it will take awhile even if Molly kills or cripples with every sword swing she can only do 1 attack per round which gives them all plenty of time to try and run or do something else.
I don't really want to bring anyone else who is less tanky.
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Is Murphy listening in on the call? Because agreeing to participate in mass murder in front of a cop... That's certainly a thing.
Also, buried under the Fivefold Courts is a giant metal sphere the size of a planet, a labyrinth of brass that is, manifestly, a prison, and which gets hotter and more radioactive towards its unexplored center.
Well, I haven't considered quite that angle, and Usum's manner of speech doesn't remind me of Ligier, but yeah, Malfeas probably has a chance to undo his death through us. Also Unconquered Sun and Luna at least. Those are all beings connected in some way to our exaltation, and who can grasp the infinitessimally small probability of dodging or undoing their demise in a reality that allows for such.Sort of an aside, but I was rereading the early quest and this caught my eye.
It occurs to me that technically speaking Malpheas is going to escape in the end after all.
Not the largest bit of him unless he means he's literally what remains of Ligier, stuck to the only imperishable thing available to Malfeas as a desperate makeshift lifeboat, instead of some minor demon of his but still.
From a primordial perspective since Usum still exists Molly could arguably be taken as an extension of Malfeas' existence, and the formation of Molly's soul-world as proof of his final victory over the exalted host.
Then all that's needed is to clean up the ages of neglect so we can plug the divine Xbox back in and it'll be like the primordial war never happened.
Also, buried under the Fivefold Courts is a giant metal sphere the size of a planet, a labyrinth of brass that is, manifestly, a prison, and which gets hotter and more radioactive towards its unexplored center.
I didn't mean it in quite that sense, though I could see it if something strange happened.
The direction I was going was that Primordials are weird multi-part entities and their feelings on identity are different than a mortal's would be.
In a very real sense a demon of Malfeas continuing to exist is also Malfeas continuing to do so in some form.
It's not the part that's in charge, which is a change, but he couldn't leave the prison he became without changing anyway.
From that perspective an exaltation shaped to the liking of the Yozi, which favors the charm tree echoing Malfeas' nature, and contains what may be a significant demon of his could constitute effectively being a majority transplant. The rest is just details of the changes needed to escape.
Considering how the Yozi didn't thing the infernals would have a problem sort of becoming parts of them as a component of their final escape plan I think an attitude like this fits their apparent behavior.
Really this is just their plan A with the ratios thrown off.
So from a mortal perspective effectively continuation by heir, but from a primordial one continuity through transformation.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
She's smart and pragmatic enough to know these people are not compatible with the muggle justice system.
Yes, and she is not looking happy, but she is also not an idiot, she can put two and two together. She knows how the vampire mafia is likely to handle treason.
That is only strictly true for Third, and Second circles, which are akin to intimacies/thoughts of the primordials. First circle demons are whole independent existences.
Flashbacks to scaring the shit out of Winter Fae so much Mab had to repeat an order to them.
Is this actually treason technically speaking? It's part of a plan that eventually involves treason sure, but this step hasn't actually generated and evidence that they're knowingly acting against the leadership of the court instead of attempting to accrue political influence.
Yeah, but Usum directly describes himself as an ember of the king before kings and the tyrant of verdant flames. He doesn't remember much, but that phrasing has implications. His power might have been worn away, but the connection is likely there.
- Location
- Germany
It is at least treason since Lara called the agreement between us.
The perpetrator couldn't have known that before starting the plan, but that's just being shit out of luck.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
They might even assume that Lara agreed to the cease fire in the first place to entrap them.
True, but no functional society can harshly punish people for violating rules that haven't been made public yet. Especially since it's possible that Lara didn't even know attacking the ordo was one.
Don't get me wrong; these guys are sick and we should make sure they're dead or otherwise incapable of doing anything like this again regardless of what the white court thinks of it.
It just seems like a stretch to be able to provably call it treason.