Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I don't think the Crown can tell us how to solve our problems. Only facts about existence like what the difficulties with contacting them without being caught are.
It can give us their phone, if the phone is not bugged. It's looking for existing information fitting stated criteria.
That's... we don't know that. We don't know how high up the totem pole she is.
After that visit Eiko in her hotel suite around 12pm.
She isnt Incarna, and there's a good chance Demonic Primacy might work on her. At best we turn her, at worst we decapitate a chunk of the local akuma command network.
This might be counter-productive, if we are going hard for "destroy them".
Most important would be to get Harry to start working on the Dragon Line thing; both because of reversing the ritual thing, and because True Anathema allegedly love to feed by draining the local geomancy as a spite thing. So its entirely possible to poison it.
He has Bob and Little Chicago to help him work at a distance.
This is solved within ten or so minutes - phone Harry (he should be using our super-coffee already, so he's likely awake), tell him what's going on, send him to deal with Dragon Lines (with Mouse and Thomas as backups / bodyguards).
Then transport Tuzi to Last Station.
If we can make the time, by around 9am we should visit the morgue and take another look at the dead body.
This should be an hour, maybe hour and a half. And that's if we are escorting her ourselves, instead of handing her over to a party of ghouls we can call now.
We look to hit the akuma in roughly 12 hours, around 2-3pm.
We should try to do it faster. Ideally at dawn, now that I think about it, so SI doesn't have to risk their lives by evacuating the workers.
 
It can give us their phone, if the phone is not bugged. It's looking for existing information fitting stated criteria.

Maybe, we'd need to get it confirmed. I think we'd want to phrase it as something like 'What ways are there to negotiate the leader of those of Emma-O's akuma present in Chicago without them getting caught?'

We also need to know what their plan is.
 
's literally one exaltation vs. several hundred exaltations + a major ritual. More than two orders of magnitude difference. Molly getting her kingdom might be on the same scale. Molly exalting and using shintai? Nah. Like, we have evidence that mystically sensitive people in the same city didn't notice our shintai.
It doesnt follow that the signal strength of one Exaltation bears an arithemetical relationship to that of several hundred others.

Emma-O detected us and sent a war party from Yomi Wan. Yomi Kings can detect kueijin using Demon Shintai, and stalk people in their dreams. I have full confidence that several hundred autonomous godkiller constructs with the capability to home in on candidate humans from across the realms can tell when other godkiller constructs are active.

That's a very big assumption right there.
No it isnt.

Its a incarna-level spirit shapeshifter that has no requirements to work through human society, and whose normal stomping grounds are Native American reservations in the southwest. If it must work in human society, it can literally steal and discard people's faces at will.
I'm not sure that Emma-O will have been able to capture any mortal Bodhisattva on the edge of becoming a Buddha here, so may not be able to grant Saint of the Godbody. He's also very Yin, so I'm not convinced at all about Crimson Tiger General rather than Graceful Reed Angel Treatment. As this is a delicate ritual and it's a treatment that can be applied simultaneously with others, I'd expect the other Treatment to be Beatifically Enhanced Tutor Treatment.

Also remember that they'll have a full set of Investments as well as the much more expensive Treatments, it's a waste for them not to.

Note that, as I say, 'no free will' doesn't actually mean no free will. It just means very constrained ability to act on their free will. Greater Akuma can politic against each other and scheme for advantage in the courts of their masters. They can even defect or betray their masters if their personalities develop in that direct after their treatments and they don't get caught and ordered to act differently.
They are boiled in yugen.
Noone says the yugen has to be extracted fresh, as opposed to mined and stored whenever some poor victim falls into their hands. I would bet that Emma-O's treasury has as much synthetic yugen as Plot requires.

Graceful Reed is primarily for assassins, Crimson Tiger for warriors.
And looking at Thousand Hells, there's no indication that Treatments are limited based on Yama King alignment.

I'd bet on Crimson Tiger.
Especially given the choice to live in an abandoned plant facility suggests an inability to pass among human society, unlike with Graceful Reed. And Im almost as certain that BET wasnt used here. Investments, but not BET.

Fair point about free will.
Holy water doesn't effect Wan Kuei, unless something has been changed here.
Wan Kuei are vulnerable to items and focuses of True Faith, just like standard vampires.
All the standard banes of WoD vampires and Dresdenverse Blampires apply to eastern Kindred in greater or lesser extent, from fire to sunlight.
Holy water should apply.

The more so when you are dealing with not just a vanilla Kindred, but one actually rocking infernal power boosts from a Hell.

That's... we don't know that. We don't know how high up the totem pole she is.
She isnt.
Yama Kings might be powerful enough to be low-level incarna; their servitors are not.

This might be counter-productive, if we are going hard for "destroy them".
Might, or might not.
And I suspect we earn more XP from subverting people than just killing them.
Certainly gets us more brownie points with Michael's boss.

And its more likely to serve as a deterrent to adventures like this if a Yama King has to fear us subverting anyone he sends.
If nothing else, it shrinks the pool of people he can afford to send.
This is solved within ten or so minutes - phone Harry (he should be using our super-coffee already, so he's likely awake), tell him what's going on, send him to deal with Dragon Lines (with Mouse and Thomas as backups / bodyguards)
Not how it works, Im guessing.
He'll need to work out the exact influence, and either disrupt or invert it. Thats gonna use some study.
And our applying our Occult there will certainly help.

This should be an hour, maybe hour and a half. And that's if we are escorting her ourselves, instead of handing her over to a party of ghouls we can call now.
Cant just send her off with a bunch of ghouls she's never met.
And we actually need to talk to Porter before leaving her there. In case akuma come looking.
 
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Yama Kings are celestines. Naagloshii is an incarna. Molly believes that she can take it on. The Will Of Kakuri is likely higher on the totem pole.
For this quest Mab is the upper end of Incarna, the Naagloshii is the lower end. If I remember correctly.

I would guess Yama Kings are somewhere in between.
 
Greater akuma can freely feed on poisoned chi, so we're not going to have much look trying to poison the dragon lines.
Poisoned environmental chi poisoned the Yama King Pika Don according to the Kindred books when he moved into post-nuclear bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki's spiritual landscape to feed, sending him into a coma.
I have doubts that akuma, greater or not, are any more immune to poisoning.

She may count as an ancient vampire though.
Possibly.
Remains to be seen. I'd certainly like to test it.
Yama Kings are celestines. Naagloshii is an incarna. Molly believes that she can take it on. The Will Of Kakuri is likely higher on the totem pole.
Yama Kings are Incarna. Mab is Incarna. Naagloshii are Incarna. Maeve and Lily are probably Incarna.
Not all incarna are peers, obviously.
I THINK the Mothers are Celestines. Archangels and angels probably are as well.
 
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Yama Kings are celestines. Naagloshii is an incarna. Molly believes that she can take it on. The Will Of Kakuri is likely higher on the totem pole.
Don't think that's the case here, because we got a ruling at some point listing the Yama kings and Mab as both being Incarna.
For setting where "free choice" is such a big thing it's funny how many beings/things can use you as a hell condom.
I'm sure making this point to the Emma-Onahole greater Akuma would go swimmingly. Bet you it doesn't have any baggage at all about its current condition. :V
 
Ok, if we are going in at noon or later, we can afford to spend essence:
Maybe, we'd need to get it confirmed. I think we'd want to phrase it as something like 'What ways are there to negotiate the leader of those of Emma-O's akuma present in Chicago without them getting caught?'

We also need to know what their plan is.
Now that's asking our crown to solve problems for us, I think.
For this quest Mab is the upper end of Incarna, the Naagloshii is the lower end. If I remember correctly.

I would guess Yama Kings are somewhere in between.
Huh, that's a very broad category then.

Anyway, here's an updated and structured plan.


[X] Plan: using what we know v 0.4
-[X] Spend as much time as possible dispersed in a bleach bottle while traveling and not otherwise occupied to restore your essence levels
-[X] Have Michael call Charity and get her to call the school and excuse us for a day
-[X] Ask questions to get a better understanding of the situation
--[X] Using the video recordings of 12 wan kuei we have:
---[X] "Who among the forces of Kakuri sent on this mission is planning to use your power to free themselves of Emma-O?" If the question reveals that at least one of the traitors was caught on camera, use their recordings for the next questions
---[X] "How are the ones trying to escape Emma-O's grasp through this mission plan to accomplish this?"
---[X] "What are the ways to contact those planning to escape Emma-O's grasp through this mission without alerting those who are loyal to Emma-O?"
---[X] "How do the forces assigned to this mission fight (what are their fighting styles and abilities?"
---[X] "what are the abilities of the Kakuri's Will on Earth"
---[X] "What are the kakuri forces' plans for the day up to the planned confrontation with us"
-[X] Get Harry in an attempt to turn the ley line trap around
--[X] Make him take Mouse with him as a bodyguard
--[X] Call Thomas and ask (not order) to also go with Harry
--[X] If he needs your help, set up a meeting for after you drop Bùshì Tùzǐ off. He can start researching now.
-[X] Get Bùshì Tùzǐ to safety, it might give away the game, but making sure she does not get another visit from the Akuma is more important
--[X] To the Last Station
-[X] Contact the traitors. In exchange for turning on their comrades, and bending the knee, without surrendering their souls, you'll extend your protection and guard them against Kakuri's wraith
--[X} Excellencies to negotiate as appropriate
-[X] Enough playing around, as soon as your preparations are complete, go straight to South Works and clear out the enemy
--[X] Coordinate with SI and Harry the timing, so your assault coincides with his disruption
--[X} Use TTC to distribute images of enemy forces to SI and explain how they are not equipped to fight those and should avoid contact at all costs


Ideas not currently implemented:
1) getting Charity and ghouls to pick up Bùshì Tùzǐ at the entrance to the Underground to save us time. Reason: risk of akuma attack
2) Getting the Order of Cauldron to make the day as sunny as possible. Reason: not sure if they can. @DragonParadox can we contact the weather witch they have for a quick favor. We'll be willing to pay
3) Buying Lydia some wooden statues to animate. Reason: her having more motes is more worth it.

Things to remember:
1) Charity and very likely Harry are using malfean coffee now. They should be awake.
2) Exalts start new scenes with 1 mote of essence. So, it's better to ask 6 questions instead of five, as the last question is essentially free.
3) Essence economy: we need 4 hours in bleach to recover all essence. This means that the earliest we can attack is around 9, assuming it takes 2 hours for everything else. Solar noon might be better, but I don't want to delay.
 
I think there's something to be said about the greater Akuma's strength in that it didn't just murder us in the streets at first opportunity.

The ritual is primarily to make keeping the exaltation easier, but if it was so ridiculously powerful that it could throw around the stuff recently talked about in the thread it would have just taken Molly already.

Could be they're feeling cautious, but it seems likely that the Akuma isn't certain it could win alone against what they've already seen of Molly's abilities.
 
They are boiled in yugen.
Noone says the yugen has to be extracted fresh, as opposed to mined and stored whenever some poor victim falls into their hands. I would bet that Emma-O's treasury has as much synthetic yugen as Plot requires.

Graceful Reed is primarily for assassins, Crimson Tiger for warriors.
And looking at Thousand Hells, there's no indication that Treatments are limited based on Yama King alignment.

I'd bet on Crimson Tiger.
Especially given the choice to live in an abandoned plant facility suggests an inability to pass among human society, unlike with Graceful Reed. And Im almost as certain that BET wasnt used here. Investments, but not BET.

Fair point about free will.

The Shintai treatment says:

The akuma' s master awakens him to every particle of his undead body, then floods the corpse with synthetic yugen brewed in the bodies of human bodhisattvas seized by the Yama Kings and forcibly prevented from passing on to their next incarnation as Buddhas.​

I strongly doubt the Yama Kings trade the synthetic yugen. And the word floods suggests it needs a lot of the stuff.

Which Treatment a Yama Kings will likely be strongly related to their aesthetic/nature because it's down to their character. Graceful Reed is a vastly more appropriate for the Yin aesthetic than the very clearly Yang themed Crimson Tiger.

jk: Also, Graceful Reed is for people who want to win at combat in the Storyteller system. Crimson Tiger is for those that don't./jk

Now that's asking our crown to solve problems for us, I think.

Knowing what the traitor's plan is?

That's why I think we need to ask something like 'what ways would Emma-O's loyalists have of detecting that we're negotiating with the traitors.
 
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Odds are Maria would be willing to help, though depending on the weather she may not be strong enough to clear the sky in time.

Good night guys
Adding it in then. In real life it was fair to mostly cloudy, if that matters.

[X] Plan: using what we know v 0.4
-[X] Spend as much time as possible dispersed in a bleach bottle while traveling and not otherwise occupied to restore your essence levels
-[X] Have Michael call Charity and get her to call the school and excuse us for a day
-[X] Ask questions to get a better understanding of the situation
--[X] Using the video recordings of 12 wan kuei we have:
---[X] "Who among the forces of Kakuri sent on this mission is planning to use your power to free themselves of Emma-O?" If the question reveals that at least one of the traitors was caught on camera, use their recordings for the next questions
--[X] "How are the ones trying to escape Emma-O's grasp through this mission plan to accomplish this?"
---[X] "What are the ways to contact those planning to escape Emma-O's grasp through this mission without alerting those who are loyal to Emma-O?"
---[X] "How do the forces assigned to this mission fight (what are their fighting styles and abilities?"
---[X] "what are the abilities of the Kakuri's Will on Earth"
---[X] "What are the kakuri forces' plans for the day up to the planned confrontation with us"
-[X] Get Harry in an attempt to turn the ley line trap around
--[X] Make him take Mouse with him as a bodyguard
--[X] Call Thomas and ask (not order) to also go with Harry
--[X] If he needs your help, set up a meeting for after you drop Bùshì Tùzǐ off. He can start researching now.
-[X} Call Maria and ask her to make the weather as sunny as possible. You'll be willing to pay for any reagents and other expenses, and a hefty bonus on top of that if she tries.
-[X] Have your Cyberdevils track the plans for South Works Steel Mill.
-[X] Get Bùshì Tùzǐ to safety, it might give away the game, but making sure she does not get another visit from the Akuma is more important
--[X] To the Last Station
-[X] Contact the traitors. In exchange for turning on their comrades, and bending the knee, without surrendering their souls, you'll extend your protection and guard them against Kakuri's wraith
--[X} Excellencies to negotiate as appropriate
-[X] Enough playing around, as soon as your preparations are complete and essence is recovered, go straight to South Works and clear out the enemy
--[X] Coordinate with SI and Harry the timing, so your assault coincides with his disruption
--[X} Make and distribute images of enemy forces to SI and explain how they are not equipped to fight those and should avoid contact at all costs. If needed, use TTC.
 
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I think there's something to be said about the greater Akuma's strength in that it didn't just murder us in the streets at first opportunity.

The ritual is primarily to make keeping the exaltation easier, but if it was so ridiculously powerful that it could throw around the stuff recently talked about in the thread it would have just taken Molly already.

Could be they're feeling cautious, but it seems likely that the Akuma isn't certain it could win alone against what they've already seen of Molly's abilities.

The ritual could well have all sorts of restrictions, and just murdering Molly on the street would almost certainly release the Exaltation to bugger off and Exalt someone else, possibly taking Molly's memories and a grudge with it. They may well need to lure her to a location that's been ritually prepared.
 
The ritual could well have all sorts of restrictions, and just murdering Molly on the street would almost certainly release the Exaltation to bugger off and Exalt someone else, possibly taking Molly's memories and a grudge with it. They may well need to lure her to a location that's been ritually prepared.
Yeah, and if the greater Akuma was min-maxed with the abilities you've posted they could have dragged Molly there by her hair any time they liked. Why screw around when you don't have to?

I'm not saying it isn't a threat, but I'd place it closer to the Naagloshi than a physical god.
 
Yeah, and if the greater Akuma was min-maxed with the abilities you've posted they could have dragged Molly there by her hair any time they liked. Why screw around when you don't have to?

I'm not saying it isn't a threat, but I'd place it closer to the Naagloshi than a physical god.

I'm not talking about a min-maxed greater akuma. A combat min-maxed one would be much, much worse. I'm talking a about a standard greater akuma that's spread its talents between rituals and combat. All greater akuma are engineered for a purpose though.

Note that the sun would make the greater akuma rot away very fast, so it can't just go outside and grab her on the street in the day.

And if it tries to capture Molly and fails, which is quite possible, she can run and make it very hard to find her. It's not that easy to capture someone alive.

After all, for all Emma-O knows, Molly is like a free greater akuma, so can reconstruct herself after getting a body killed, so can just kill this body and grab another one.

Adding it in then. In real life it was fair to mostly cloudy, if that matters.

Note that if I was a greater akuma, I'd have brought along a lesser akuma that knows Storm Shintai

Edit: Also @Yog, we might want to get someone to track down the plans for the steel works to have a focus to get a breakdown of the defences we can brief the party on in advance, before using the steel works themselves as a focus to find where all the vampires/bakemono/shaman currently are right before we go in.

As a side note, we really want the traitors to sneak us in if possible, and/or help Harry to make a potion or something that makes it possible. I've said it a few times here, but lots of Wan Kuei powers need some setup time. We don't want it to have that.

We should also not have a set time for the assault. We should base it on what we find out from the traitors, so we can hit the Will while it's busy or distracted with some non-combat task.
 
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I'm not talking about a min-maxed greater akuma. A combat min-maxed one would be much, much worse. I'm talking a about a standard greater akuma that's spread its talents between rituals and combat. All greater akuma are engineered for a purpose though.

Note that the sun would make the greater akuma rot away very fast, so it can't just go outside and grab her on the street in the day.
We go out at night all the time and weren't really focusing on the rumors about the jades until one showed up to poke us.

Suppose the hypothetical greater Akuma you're mentally building had showed up that night instead of the messenger, and it jumped us once we split from Lydia to go home.

It breaks Daniel's legs and takes him as a hostage after bouncing Molly off the walls, then drags us to the ritual site. How would we have been able to respond, and in particular what would the greater Akuma think we could do based on their observations?

24 Akuma on top of the will of Kakuri isn't a trivial investment, I doubt Emma-O would be doing very well if he wasted resources unnecessarily.

The simplest answer for why they haven't done something like that and are doing the things they are is that they believe it's necessary to win.

That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous, or that they couldn't still win this, just that we should moderate our expectations here.
 
Edit: Also @Yog, we might want to get someone to track down the plans for the steel works to have a focus to get a breakdown of the defences we can brief the party on in advance, before using the steel works themselves as a focus to find where all the vampires/bakemono/shaman currently are right before we go in.
Good idea, adding a task for our cyberdevils in, and with this I think I'm off to sleep.
 
The Shintai treatment says:

The akuma' s master awakens him to every particle of his undead body, then floods the corpse with synthetic yugen brewed in the bodies of human bodhisattvas seized by the Yama Kings and forcibly prevented from passing on to their next incarnation as Buddhas.
I strongly doubt the Yama Kings trade the synthetic yugen. And the word floods suggests

Which Treatment a Yama Kings will likely be strongly related to their aesthetic/nature because it's down to their character. Graceful Reed is a vastly more appropriate for the Yin aesthetic than the very clearly Yang themed Crimson Tiger.

jk: Also, Graceful Reed is for people who want to win at combat in the Storyteller system. Crimson Tiger is for those that want to lose./jk
1)Note the phrasing. Human bodhisattvas. Plural.
Im not assuming that YKs trade yugen; they might but thats not a given. However, we dont know how much product can be extracted from a victim's body at a time. And chi storage is definitely a thing.

Flooding a body doesnt mean huge amounts . An adult human body only contains 5 liters of blood, for example.
More, we dont know if said yugen is expended with each use; for all we know, it might be possible to reuse yugen several times before needing a new batch. Like cooking oil.

But like I said, its a plot thing. There's as much as the plot requires.


2)Im looking at the book right here.
None of the Treatments are Yin- or Yang-aligned. And looking at the details Crimson Tiger gives you the potential for +3 Levels of Black Wind, which is essentially Celerity.

I'd bet on the Tiger over the Reed.
 
@Yog

We go out at night all the time and weren't really focusing on the rumors about the jades until one showed up to poke us.

Suppose the hypothetical greater Akuma you're mentally building had showed up that night instead of the messenger, and it jumped us once we split from Lydia to go home.

It breaks Daniel's legs and takes him as a hostage after bouncing Molly off the walls, then drags us to the ritual site. How would we have been able to respond, and in particular what would the greater Akuma think we could do based on their observations?

24 Akuma on top of the will of Kakuri isn't a trivial investment, I doubt Emma-O would be doing very well if he wasted resources unnecessarily.

The simplest answer for why they haven't done something like that and are doing the things they are is that they believe it's necessary to win.

That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous, or that they couldn't still win this, just that we should moderate our expectations here.

And if 'Molly' kills her current host body with a grenade in her pocket and jumps to another host and goes to ground, what does it do then?

What if the Exaltation turns out to grant the host Essence 5 and a full set of charms? What if it grants Essence 6+ and elder charms? The WIll fo Kakuri probably knows very little of Molly's true power level and so is embracing its Yin nature and being cautious and making us come to it in a place of power its prepared. As it doesn't know how strong we are it needs to overprepare and consider the worst case scenario. Greater akuma's character's are still determined by their chi virtue balance and Emma-O's are very likely to be strongly Yin imbalanced.

That's why it didn't jump us with twenty Wan Kuei minions. Because it wasn't sure it could win completely, and if it lost the Exaltation it could slip through its fingers and never be found again because it would be more cautious next time.

1)Note the phrasing. Human bodhisattvas. Plural.
Im not assuming that YKs trade yugen; they might but thats not a given. However, we dont know how much product can be extracted from a victim's body at a time. And chi storage is definitely a thing.

Flooding a body doesnt mean huge amounts . An adult human body only contains 5 liters of blood, for example.
More, we dont know if said yugen is expended with each use; for all we know, it might be possible to reuse yugen several times before needing a new batch. Like cooking oil.

But like I said, its a plot thing. There's as much as the plot requires.


2)Im looking at the book right here.
None of the Treatments are Yin- or Yang-aligned. And looking at the details Crimson Tiger gives you the potential for +3 Levels of Black Wind, which is essentially Celerity.

I'd bet on the Tiger over the Reed.

It's not just a plot thing, it's a cosmological setting thing. It's made clear that the Godbody treatment is rare. We're also told it sometimes kills greater akuma it's applied to, which would be a very expensive loss.

They're not explicitly Yin or Yang in the rules, but they absolutely are thematically and aesthically. As the Yama King of a Yin aligned Hell, it's in Emma-O's character to prefer those treatments that result in Yin themed results. That's just what he prefers.
 
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Just as a note, I've been reading the Bone Flowers Dharma book, and the elders of that dharma would probably be willing to pay a very substantial amount for the knowledge that Molly can gather from the Crown, as gathering such knowledge is a dharmic imperative. As long as they don't know it's from the Crown, just something we know, that should be fine.

As they're willing (and alllowed) to bargain with the Yama Kings for knowledge, they should be willing to deal with us.

Edit: Also, I've realised why the Will of Kakuri will be hiding inside. It's because it will probably be permanently Yin imbalanced and so be a Chi'ing Shih.

Emma-O apparently can't grant the Eternal Cherry Blossoms merit which prevents becoming one - but we can with VEE, which is something else elder Yin aspected vampires may pay handsomely for.
 
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-[X] Using TTC make portraits for all the opposing forces, distribute them to your allies, including SI.
May I suggest that you say that we only use the passive form of TTC. 5 times speed should be enough and we want to save an essence. Also the opposing forces kind of stand out our drawings don't need to be works of art that you put in a museum to get the point across. Just this one has bat wings, this one has a giant nose, the Lady has a lot of makeup on etc.
 
And if 'Molly' kills her current host body with a grenade in her pocket and jumps to another host and goes to ground, what does it do then?
Escape by suicide is a rather large leap to make. They have no reason to believe we'd try it.

What if the Exaltation turns out to grant the host Essence 5 and a full set of charms? What if it grants Essence 6+ and elder charms? The WIll fo Kakuri probably knows very little of Molly's true power level and so is embracing its Yin nature and being cautious and making us come to it in a place of power its prepared. As it doesn't know how strong we are it needs to overprepare and consider the worst case scenario. Greater akuma's character's are still determined by their chi virtue balance and Emma-O's are very likely to be strongly Yin imbalanced.

That's why it didn't jump us with twenty Wan Kuei minions. Because it wasn't sure it could win completely, and if it lost the Exaltation it could slip through its fingers and never be found again because it would be more cautious next time.
They've been watching closely enough to know what our itinerary looks like. The idea that we're hiding three essence levels is sort of ridiculous.

Taking blind shots against an unknown power differential isn't exactly what I'd call a genius move either if they're sincerely that on the dark.

It makes more sense in context of their current behavior is they have a decent estimate of what Molly could do before the last but point, and that they're not sure if they'd end win to any degree without the prep work.
 
Escape by suicide is a rather large leap to make. They have no reason to believe we'd try it.

If they have any idea what an Exaltation is they may think that it's in the driving seat. It's what a greater akuma would do to avoid capture as well, so it's a standard thing that warring Yama Kings have to deal with.

It's also something that we can actually do with Splintered Gale Shintai.

They've been watching closely enough to know what our itinerary looks like. The idea that we're hiding three essence levels is sort of ridiculous.

Taking blind shots against an unknown power differential isn't exactly what I'd call a genius move either if they're sincerely that on the dark.

It makes more sense in context of their current behavior is they have a decent estimate of what Molly could do before the last but point, and that they're not sure if they'd end win to any degree without the prep work.

We hired some cops to provide security. It was a ghost party, and these Wan Kuei have great power over ghosts. It's vastly easier to find that out than to know the details of our powers.

How would they know we don't have something like Splintered Gale Shintai? Or the King and the Kingdom and the ability to just jump into our Hell amd come back with our own hit squad. Or a whole laundry list of other powers. We're the first Infernal Exalt to ever walk this world. How on earth would they know what we can do if pushed hard enough? We have the aura of a Yama King on day relief, and a Yama King walking the world is as powerful as an arhat. They're likely to have sent a force they think can bring one of those down.

And yes, they're taking a blind shot against an almost completely unknown power level. That's why they've send a big gun with masses of support whose based themselves in a very advantageous location and probably massively fortified and magically prepared the ground for combat.

As one thing they can be almost sure of. The longer we have to run around the stronger we'll get, even if just in terms of assets, allies, and minions.
 
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