Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Taking over Demonreach and turning a fraction of the prisoners into our thralls would also likely be enough. I think there was something like 6 Naggs there in minimum security. Throwing 6 Naggs into a Maggot pit and giving them a few extra bindings would likely be very helpful to our overall power even at essence 5.
This seems like a really bad plan. Assaulting the place would instantly put us on the shut list of everyone aware of it, and the prison wouldn't exactly be cooperative about the whole thing.

Defeating it is one thing, defeating it in a way that doesn't weaken it or risk the greater monsters breaking out is another.

There are plenty of things in the wild for us to use as magical steroids. Like Denarians and red vampire nobility.
 
Taking over Demonreach and turning a fraction of the prisoners into our thralls would also likely be enough. I think there was something like 6 Naggs there in minimum security. Throwing 6 Naggs into a Maggot pit and giving them a few extra bindings would likely be very helpful to our overall power even at essence 5.
If there's any place that could hold an exaltation outside the Black Vault, Demonreach may be it.

I wouldn't expect it to be friendly to Molly.
 
This seems like a really bad plan. Assaulting the place would instantly put us on the shut list of everyone aware of it, and the prison wouldn't exactly be cooperative about the whole thing.

Defeating it is one thing, defeating it in a way that doesn't weaken it or risk the greater monsters breaking out is another.

There are plenty of things in the wild for us to use as magical steroids. Like Denarians and red vampire nobility.
Yes I know. If Molly so much as approaches Demonreach I expect it to either bow down before her as a princess of earth or attack her with everything it has. No in between. Now if Dresden manage to become the Warden of Demonreach again...
 
On a mildly related note, if we really do have like a dozen of Dragon Nests in the vicinity of Chicago, we probably try shooting for E6 by simply taking control of all that energy. With a major geomantic working we might be able to create an environment of essence density suitable for Elder Essence ascension.
If there are dozens of mostly unoccupied Dragon Nests in Chicago, then Awakened Eye of the Dragon becomes one of our most useful purchases. We could totally spend two days a month for 30+ blessings for ourselves and our circlemates. The blessing functioning as follows:
If the character wins the test, she can add the caern's
rating to her dice pool when performing actions appropriate
to the caern's focus. If she loses, she takes lethal damage
equal to the number of successes by which the caern beat
her; a botch makes this damage aggravated.
That's essentially 30 excellencies running all month long, for free.
Yes I know. If Molly so much as approaches Demonreach I expect it to either bow down before her as a princess of earth or attack her with everything it has. No in between. Now if Dresden manage to become the Warden of Demonreach again...
The second one is, sadly, more likely - it's a relatively young spirit, after all. Unless Merlin re-purposed something far older.
 
While there are certainly several Dragon's Nests in the Chicago area, there are not dozens and none of them are unclaimed. The way I square that with what is said in canon is that not every place where one ley line crosses another is a proper nexus, you need major lines to cross, usually more than two.
 
While there are certainly several Dragon's Nests in the Chicago area, there are not dozens and none of them are unclaimed. The way I square that with what is said in canon is that not every place where one ley line crosses another is a proper nexus, you need major lines to cross, usually more than two.
Which makes sense since Demonreach is so close and its inhabitants are the source of the magical power of this nexus.
 
Yes I know. If Molly so much as approaches Demonreach I expect it to either bow down before her as a princess of earth or attack her with everything it has. No in between. Now if Dresden manage to become the Warden of Demonreach again...
I'd still be reluctant to poke it too hard if we don't absolutely have to. The prison probably has some sort of procedure for a compromised warden, and I'd rather not learn that by seeing it decide that feeding an arch fiend its prisoners qualifies.

if we're strong enough to try forcing multiple naagloshii to do what we say on a regular basis I'd prefer hunting down and eating alive* some of the ones running around in the wild, turning Magog into an everlasting gobstopper, or making mixed drinks out of demigod vampire blood.

Those guys are actually running around doing stuff, and getting at them doesn't risk adding more monsters to the world if we fail to get what we came for.

* Tastes like chicken. We can even claim it's free range and eco friendly.
 
If there are dozens of mostly unoccupied Dragon Nests in Chicago, then Awakened Eye of the Dragon becomes one of our most useful purchases. We could totally spend two days a month for 30+ blessings for ourselves and our circlemates. The blessing functioning as follows:

That's essentially 30 excellencies running all month long, for free.

Even if there's only one it's worth it, to give persistent blessings to Dresden and to other allies. Dice pool adders tend to be rare for people who aren't Exalts.
 
IDK, Caern blessings aren't normally part of the benefits Nodes grant to Exalts. We have been in contact with Porter's node for a bit, and there was no "btw, there is this real easy ritual which gives you extra dice."

I am under impression it takes a bit more to actually take advantage.
 
IDK, Caern blessings aren't normally part of the benefits Nodes grant to Exalts. We have been in contact with Porter's node for a bit, and there was no "btw, there is this real easy ritual which gives you extra dice."

I am under impression it takes a bit more to actually take advantage.

They're not a normal benefit. They're a specific benefit that they have to know a specific Ancient Sorcery spell to get. Fortunately, we have a merit so we can learn such spells once/story without a teacher - otherwise they're very hard to learn.
 
They're not a normal benefit. They're a specific benefit that they have to know a specific Ancient Sorcery spell to get.
Oh? I am having a derp moment, give me the name.Yeah I see it, lol.

Still, I don't have the Mage or Werewolf books on hand rn, so if someone could go into a little bit more details on how all that stuff works and what we could reasonably expect from, idk, Porter's Node, that would be cool.
 
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Oh? I am having a derp moment, give me the name.

Awakened Eye of the Dragon, which near duplicates the Werewolf ritual Rite of the Opened Caern, which grants one bonus dot per rank of the Caern for actions aligned with the node/caern's resonance.

Finding an occult or craft aligned caern would be very useful.
 
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On the topic of the difference between exalted and everyone else a big difference is how skills works to the point that non-exalted likely shouldn't even use the same style of character sheet. For example Molly has melee 5 that means that she is competing for the title of world's greatest grandmaster of every handheld melee weapon ever made. A non-exalted is going to have some sort of specialization or certain type of weapons that they use.

For example Adam, Bones and Lockjaw are put down as having firearms 3, but I doubt that actually means that that they are proficient in every type of distance weapon from bows to rocket launchers. More likely that is just shorthand for saying that they are good with a pistol.

Now the reason I bring this up is Chirality Prohibition Index (•••) is a training charm and I want to ask if it trains people up to exalted standards of skills.
 
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COMMENTARY
-Amazing how many people know better than to pick a fight with a skinwalker.
Not amazing, the other word. Predictable.
:V

On the one hand, people knowing that one of these things is avout will put people on their guard,
That said, word getting around about a naagloshii in Chicago is going to get back to the naagloshii sooner or later.
Possibly sooner.


-Warden regional commander for the eastern US, with four or five subordinates. Possibly Canada as well.
They're sure you'll be fine. The Council has your back, yeah?
:V


-Recluse Poisonings.

Victims are exclusively single adults living alone, with elementary-school age relatives.
Given the lack of an overt magic signature, and the consistent manner of death, its probably not an entropy curse.
Either alchemy, or a magic creature.

Wonder if Harry or Murphy will get desperate enough to ask help.
I get the impression that if we take the Ordo Lebes action next turn, this will come to our attention.


-The common element in the Recluce poisonings is John C Haines Elementary, which is a minority school.
According to USNews, the student body is around 600, with a composition of like 80-something percent Asian and Asian-Pacific, 16% Black, 2% Hispanic and less than 1% mixed race.

That means the Recluce Poisonings are probably Asian victims. Which means, given the lack of a magic signature to indicate magic use, and the way everything on them died? We are looking at either shen, or possibly a Jade Court vampire feeding on chi.
Which makes it Molly's business.

Nice deep cut @DragonParadox


-Harry has known since at least Dead Beat that Mouse was sapient, when he executed Cassius on his orders. And explicitly relied on Mouse as a legally admissible witness in Turn Coat to identify Peabody.
Its just not been rubbed in his face quite so abruptly.


-Speaking of Samuel Peabody, behold the laws of unintended consequences.
This is something to keep in mind when next people propose significant, farsweeping projects.


-I dont get the Frederick the Second reference.
What does the Stupor Mundi have to do with being a Warden?
I do have to say that points at significantly better education levels than I assumed for the older ghouls.


-2, 5. 2^2 × 5^5. Prime numbers. Interesting.


-The city god is certainly something to investigate. Carefully.

Instantiating a city god for the third biggest city in the United States, that sits on both the Great Lakes and a major tributary of the Mississipi river system, would be a very big deal on multiple levels, political and mystical, and would have all sorts of ramifications and unintended consequences.

Not something to be done lightly.

Dresden study rolls 4 sux at DC7 on 7d10 .Great.
Molly Implications rolls 8 sux at DC8 on 18d10 Int + Occult. Legendary.
Nightmare rolls passed

@DragonParadox
Going to note that Transcendent Lord of Flies' -3DC applies here, because this was part of an attempt to protect and provide for people in an urban blight or wilderness. Molly Implications should have been rolled at DC5 (8 - TLF 3), which would mean that she should have 14 successes.

Double Legendary, and only 1 sux short of a triple Legendary.



This took Dresden what... 4 hours? I say we pay him a cool 4000 and call it a day. 1000 dollars an hour for help on a personal project seems fair. High compared to his PI rate, but tiny compared to the cost to hire literally any other Warden.
$1000/hr?
Thats BigLaw associate money. Dresden wont take it.
Not at this stage of our relationship; not for a consultation.

...I will point out that our Essence comes from the Yozi, that for cannon ExWoD, corrupted the Yomi Wan.
Yeah. So making a God of Chicago may, just may, not end as we expect it to.
Yeah.
Its worth recalling that Chicago has a lot of aspects for good and ill. Industry and art and trade and people, but also organized crime and political corruption. A god that faithfully reflected everything about Chicago equally would be....yeah.

And of course, there's also the fact that a city god of a major city would be a key target for a lot of people to attempt to subvert.
What precisely prevents someone else trying to eat a god for a powerup like they tried with Arwan? Or Nicodemus from attempting to do to a city god what he tried to do to the Archive? Or worse, Nemesis having a go?

If your god doesnt have defenses against that sort of thing, you're just handing enemies a weapon.

Demonreach evidently has defenses against that sort of subversion, but Demonreach is not a god.
Its a lot more limited than that.
Building something with the incorruptibility of Demonreach and the freedom of action of a city god will take some doing.

So while a City God is definitely something to investigate, the key word is investigate. Carefully.

Going by current rates, Harry probably charges $100-$150 per hour. Paying him an order of magnitude over his current rates would probably make him very uncomfortable. $200-$400 an hour for magical consulting is probably something we could convince him to accept without too much argument.
Also, completely agree that forging the god of Chicago is a great project.
Yeah, thats reasonable.
We either attempt to get him to accept something not too far off what his current fees are?
Or we pay him in kind, in something that he cant refuse.

Didn't we at some point reveal to white council that they are infiltrated?
I think its been obvious since at least the events of Proven Guilty, if not since the that they have a major leak.
If Dresden noticed, you can be damn sure that older, wiser people have drawn the correct conclusions from a bunch of events.
Ebenezer certainly did. So did the Gatekeeper.

Discounting how many practitioners would piss themselves seeing it go down, I'd be concerned about the security issues of making it easy to get in and out of our hell in a city linked to so many places and with powerful reps from so many supernatural powers in it.

To be safe I think we'd need to pick up the transit control perk for the hell or put some serious thought into how to manage the border from our side. Definitely worth looking into though, since it'd make our hell more relevant without taking us out of the mortal world.
I think its safe to assume that our Hell will have a Way connecting here.
Chicago is a magical crossroads after all.

Managing the border from the inside of our Hell/Kingdom is just a matter of taking Panopticon/Hellish Security and Lord of the Land as mandatory features.
Yes, you could create greater wonders that make lesser works of mortal arts quicker to create or circumstantially more powerful. More rarely it could go the other way with some hard won insight of alchemy or enchanting applying to say creating a golem or raising an emanation.
Making difficulty-reducing focuses for psychic numina is an Enchantment 1 thing.
We could outfit the entire Ordo Lebes at will with Enchantment Path alone.
It would certainly help Olivia Dancer-girl with controlling her invisibility.
 
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I think its safe to assume that our Hell will have a Way connecting here.
Chicago is a magical crossroads after all.

Managing the border from the inside of our Hell/Kingdom is just a matter of taking Panopticon/Hellish Security and Lord of the Land as mandatory features.
It's not ways I'm worried about exactly, so much as specifically making it easier to cross over from the city.

If we pin that sort of connection in place with the ignition of a major city's god - probably the strongest god to be born since the white god largely shut down the other pantheons - I don't think the effects would be particularly light or easy to shift.

Being connected like that to a mortal city, and especially multiple mortal cities, would be a tremendous opportunity. But it would also be a significant risk in its own right.

I'd almost rather trade lord of the land for bottleneck, so that anyone coming in has to fight our exaltation to show up anywhere other than the front door if we decided to become the crossroads of the world.
 
Yeah.
Its worth recalling that Chicago has a lot of aspects for good and ill. Industry and art and trade and people, but also organized crime and political corruption. A god that faithfully reflected everything about Chicago equally would be....yeah.

And of course, there's also the fact that a city god of a major city would be a key target for a lot of people to attempt to subvert.
What precisely prevents someone else trying to eat a god for a powerup like they tried with Arwan? Or Nicodemus from attempting to do to a city god what he tried to do to the Archive? Or worse, Nemesis having a go?

If your god doesnt have defenses against that sort of thing, you're just handing enemies a weapon.

Demonreach evidently has defenses against that sort of subversion, but Demonreach is not a god.
Its a lot more limited than that.
Building something with the incorruptibility of Demonreach and the freedom of action of a city god will take some doing.

So while a City God is definitely something to investigate, the key word is investigate. Carefully.
I personally consider creating a city god to be a capstone action of taking over the city's pollical structure. Incidentally it would be interesting if Mayor of Chicago actually became a mantel that restricted and empowered elected officials that followed the will of the citizens of Chicago. After all voting can be seen as a act of worship.
 
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That means the Recluce Poisonings are probably Asian victims. Which means, given the lack of a magic signature to indicate magic use, and the way everything on them died? We are looking at either shen, or possibly a Jade Court vampire feeding on chi.
Which makes it Molly's business.

Nice deep cut @DragonParadox
Damn, that was a good catch, dude. Assuming it was a Chi Vampire of some sort, is that how their feeding regularly works? It sucks the life out of a victim, all of the victim, including gut flora and other residents? I bet those corpses take a very long time to begin decomposing.
 
It's not ways I'm worried about exactly, so much as specifically making it easier to cross over from the city.

If we pin that sort of connection in place with the ignition of a major city's god - probably the strongest god to be born since the white god largely shut down the other pantheons - I don't think the effects would be particularly light or easy to shift.

I don't believe we know that the White God shut down the other pantheons. Just that the Celtic, Greek, and Norse pantheons lost their ability to influence the Earth when they were outcompeted by Abrahamic religions and stopped having meaningful numbers of mortal worshippers.

For all we know in Asia the Hindu, Buddhist, and traditional Chinese and Japanese pantheons are still going as strong as ever.
 
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