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Reread the story and wonder what's the issue with Rachel's dad
No, physically repulsive (not necessarily hideous in the way he's usually portrayed, possibly more of an uncanny valley effect) but extremely smart. It was the main reason his creator rejected him. "Oh no, I meant to make something beautiful and that part of the plan didn't work out, welp, guess the whole project's no good."So… when do we get Alice's Monster, the surprising beautiful Eve? I'm pretty sure Frankenstein's Monster was actually supposed to be surprisingly handsome and named Adam, but always gets adapted as a bumbling fool.
In my experience, most people who use the word 'altruism' mean 'doing things to help others for no reward' not merely 'don't be a jerk'. However, they usually don't tie it to Comte's philosophy of what makes a person good.To be fair to Alice, she's not your typical "Hurrr durrrr being good is baaaaaad" randbot meme in that she actually did read what Ayn Rand wrote down (although I can't imagine reading all of Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead did her sanity any good). It should also be noted that some of the things about Objectivism that most people assume to be true aren't quite --for example, the "Altruism" that Rand goes against is not the same "Altruism" that most people would think of when they hear of it. For most people, altruism means "don't be a jerk to other people", while the altruism that Rand was attacking was the original term coined by Auguste Comte, who said that to be "good", the ultimate end of their actions must be to benefit others.
Reread the story and wonder what's the issue with Rachel's dad
I am becoming further convinced they're the Madoka and Homura of this story, but not sure who is which. I still find it mega-suspicious that Rachel's Wish is unknown, as Wording/Intention/Associations are the three things their magic develops off. Like, are the colored voices an actual product of Rachel's magic or something more mundane?
In my experience, most people who use the word 'altruism' mean 'doing things to help others for no reward' not merely 'don't be a jerk'. However, they usually don't tie it to Comte's philosophy of what makes a person good.
"Twelve, I think," you tell her. "She contracted when she was nine." You snort. "In Magical Girl terms, she's my elder, actually."
"Hey Missy," you greet her, giving her what you hope is a casual wave. Missy Biron looks up from her cellphone; her costume's more "classic Magical Girl" than yours is; knee-high boots and a sleeveless dress that ends just above her knees, all in green and teal. There's a few quirks to it, though; a green chestpiece protecting most of her torso, armguards doing the same for her forearms, a headband holding back her hair, and long, thin triangles of fabric that extend past the hemline of her dress, adorned with waving patterns of green and brown. A black choker holds her forest green soul gem.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO CATCH THAT???
[YELLS IN DALEK]
Honestly? I'd say it varies way too much to be a key point. Unless you're either updating multiple times a day and people get overwhelmed and can't catch up, or you're slow to the point of monthly or longer times between shorter updates (it does work for some stories that drop 10k+ every month or two, in my experience) meaning people just forget the details, there's not really an exact sweet spot that generates fans and discussions. Hell, look at Worm fics like Implacable or Nemesis - you've got stories with like, 10 chapters spread across several years of updates and long hiatuses, but they still generate ridiculous amounts of discussion. If there's anything keeping people from discussing compared to whatever other stories you have (which I admittedly am not familiar with), I doubt it's because of the update rate.In other news; what does everyone here think of the rather snappy update schedule I've been maintaining so far? Something I've noticed, especially on SB, is that people tend to not comment or discuss what I've posted as much as in other story threads I've made, and I'm wondering if that has something to do with that.
Reread the story and wonder what's the issue with Rachel's dad
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO CATCH THAT???
[YELLS IN DALEK]
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO CATCH THAT???
[YELLS IN DALEK]
Holy fucking shit Missy has been a Puella Magi for three years?! I Knew she'd be badass when she came up but holy fuck that's way more hardcore than I thought she'd be.
On one hand, three years is shockingly unlikely. On the other, I'm not at all surprised given that it's Missy.
That's a fucking change from canon. WELP, time to wonder about what else could be different.
....it sounds like Missy made her wish about a year before she would have Triggered normally. Given that the issues that caused her to Trigger were extensively ongoing things, I wonder if they somehow motivated her to Wish or if there was something that pushed her into doing it.
Frak! And Taylor did not call her 'Vista'. Ergo Missy is not a Parahuman.
Well, the rails of the canon had been even more bombed than before!
There area a few things about Missy that made her an ideal candidate for this particular twist; her family situation makes it easy for Kyuubey to tempt her into a contract via a wish, and her emotional resilience means she's more likely to survive the Puella Magi lifestyle. In canon, she came to see herself as "Vista" first and "Missy" second, and it's not hard to see her taking a similar route as a Puella Magi.
I'll admit that turning Missy into an In-Name-Only is something I want to actively avoid. Puella Magi Missy Biron should be different from Vista, yes, but not so much that they're completely unrecognizable from each other. It's no small challenge, but I decided to take the gamble. And given that she's one of Brockton Bay's veteran magical girls, it would be strange if she didn't have an impact on the plot.
(As in: if she poofs from the plot, it's because I made a mistake. Please yell at me for it if it happens.)
And yes; not having a Shaker 9 with her experience in the team is gonna have some consequences for the Wards ENE.
Obviously Rachel's dad is completely irrelevant and not in any way interesting.
That's definitely the impression I'm getting.
To be perfectly honest I caught that back at the start but there's also like...nothing to start speculating on so I didn't really feel like it was worth it. We know there's bad feelings there, but that could extend from "Rachel loved him a bunch and then he died" to "he was an abusive bastard" to "actually Jack Slash".
Honestly? I'd say it varies way too much to be a key point. Unless you're either updating multiple times a day and people get overwhelmed and can't catch up, or you're slow to the point of monthly or longer times between shorter updates (it does work for some stories that drop 10k+ every month or two, in my experience) meaning people just forget the details, there's not really an exact sweet spot that generates fans and discussions. Hell, look at Worm fics like Implacable or Nemesis - you've got stories with like, 10 chapters spread across several years of updates and long hiatuses, but they still generate ridiculous amounts of discussion. If there's anything keeping people from discussing compared to whatever other stories you have (which I admittedly am not familiar with), I doubt it's because of the update rate.
Personally, as just a casual reader of this fic, the update rate has been just fine, and I'm consistently left interested enough to stick around waiting for the next update.
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It helps that Missy is one of the characters that would change the least from having been a a magical girl for years, because 'poorly supervised child-soldier of several years who still has the option to live at home but doesn't want to' is her canon characterization.I'll admit that turning Missy into an In-Name-Only is something I want to actively avoid. Puella Magi Missy Biron should be different from Vista, yes, but not so much that they're completely unrecognizable from each other. It's no small challenge, but I decided to take the gamble. And given that she's one of Brockton Bay's veteran magical girls, it would be strange if she didn't have an impact on the plot.
Well to be fair to wishes, they aren't generally monkey's paws. The Puella Magi making the wish can be fucked over by it because they're a young teenager at best making a reality-warping wish, but it's not really intentional as far as I know. Meanwhile, Worm powers are basically programmed to go "here's a direct solution to your issues that doesn't really solve them in the long run." Taylor's friendless and alone? Now she has all the friends in the world under her control! Vista's parents are always fighting? Yaaaaay she can get some distance! Dennis' dad is dying of cancer? Postpone it forever without fixing the issue! And so on and so forth. I believe Wildbow has also said that they tend to come with a reminder of that original trigger event - like in the back of Taylor's head, when she's controlling insects, some small part of her is always going to be thinking about that tiny, cramped locker space surrounded by disgust and bugs and everything else.Just keep in mind that, like with any other Puella Magi, she's not gonna be telling people what she wished for. Although it's not hard to have a good guess at what it was, in her case.
(I also just realized that being a Puella Magi has made Missy have a healthier home life than canon. What the fuck.)
I'm actually surprised to see SB is lower in terms of watchers and commentary; I'm used to cross-posted stories getting a lot more out of SB because it's just generally a bigger website with more readers. There's even stories I only bother following on SV because the discussion will span dozens of pages between updates if its on SB.Hmmm...
Let's see if some of the data I have on hand can help solve this problem.
That's definitely the kind of wording that would result in a Monkey's Paw wish.
It's probably because SV has more Madoka Magica content, and Puella Magi Adfligo Systema inclining people to be more interested in PMMM stuff that appears on this site.I'm actually surprised to see SB is lower in terms of watchers and commentary; I'm used to cross-posted stories getting a lot more out of SB because it's just generally a bigger website with more readers. There's even stories I only bother following on SV because the discussion will span dozens of pages between updates if its on SB.
I will also say that when stories are crossposted, that stories I particularly enjoy, like this one, I follow on SV, because I'm following fewer stories here and so the favorites stand out more.I'm actually surprised to see SB is lower in terms of watchers and commentary; I'm used to cross-posted stories getting a lot more out of SB because it's just generally a bigger website with more readers. There's even stories I only bother following on SV because the discussion will span dozens of pages between updates if its on SB.
More seriously: There are moments where, as a writer, you put out a hint of something and then spend wayyyy too much time waiting for someone to see the thread you laid out, wondering if you were being too obvious, not obvious enough, or if the readers did notice and decided that your sneaky foreshadowing was just a red herring.
Wait, this is on SB too?
Holy shit, you just keep making Missy more badass every time I look away from the thread. What's next? She kills Simurgh and no one even knows she did it XD?This is the girl who, after being cut out of Echidna's guts, escaped Coil's base, evaded all the clones there, plus Echidna herself, and killed Shatterbird on the way out. The moment I got the idea for her being a Magical Girl, it was hard to have her as anything besides a veteran.
That's not Dalek's doing, it's canon (to Ward at least, I don't remember it explicitly being Missy that offed Shatterbird {I thought she got offed when Coil's base was collapsed on top of Echidna} when I read Worm, and when I went looking for a source on where that happened I found an excerpt from Ward)Holy shit, you just keep making Missy more badass every time I look away from the thread. What's next? She kills Simurgh and no one even knows she did it XD?
Was there a fight sequence?That's not Dalek's doing, it's canon (to Ward at least, I don't remember it explicitly being Missy that offed Shatterbird {I thought she got offed when Coil's base was collapsed on top of Echidna} when I read Worm, and when I went looking for a source on where that happened I found an excerpt from Ward)
I have no idea, I've been trying to avoid Ward spoilers, and so didn't read the excerpt.
A black-gloved, red-sleeved, and very angry fist punched up through the lid of the dumpster.