That's even worse than getting a First Age Solar who died in the Usurpation as your mentor, when you're playing a Second Age Infernal!
For extra points, how would it go if an Infernal was the reincarnated soul of a Solar just before the last one who died during the Usurpation, and his Exaltation now carried the last holder.

We can also have the soul of the last holder be reincarnated in the Solar's current Lunar Mate, for maximum lolz. :V
 
A 'New' Solar, being one whose Exaltation hasn't been in any other hosts, is theoretically possible, but you'd need to convince the Sun and Autocthon that you need more Solars.
Just the Sun, really, though that doesn't make your task any easier. Even if he were willing and able, there's simply no need.

Honestly I'd reject the idea just out of sheer inelegance. Three hundred and one Exaltations hurts me in the OCD. :p
So how do you feel about the ~400 3e Lunars? :p
 
I was joking, but Demons, (not the Yozi themselves, they're stellar phenomenon and the like with Malfeas being a Dyson Sphere and Isidoros being an actual black-hole) are living programs, data made manifest through essence that have grown beyond what they were supposed to be.
Literally none of this matches the Heaven's Reach I read.

Cite please.
 
Hmm... Okay, looks like you're right @nottthepenguins. It dones't actually define what demons are. I mean we can guess that they're the same as the other spirit-programs in the shard, but they don't actually give use anything else to go on.
 
To be clear, this is the Heaven's Reach you're talking about:
[Exalted] Heaven's Reach - Information & Experance
yes?
The one from shards, yeah, where everything is hyper-tech and the exaltions and the like are all sufficently advanced science. Not the Gunstar Autochaton shard, where thte exalted host lost and are now on the run through the still intact Creation while the vengeful titans pursue them and everything is still magic with a bit of technology thrown in.
 
Hmm... Okay, looks like you're right @nottthepenguins. It dones't actually define what demons are. I mean we can guess that they're the same as the other spirit-programs in the shard, but they don't actually give use anything else to go on.
Why would you assume that they're the same as spirit-programs in the shard, when demons and gods have always had fundamental differences? Especially since that would be a huge departure from canon demons, as they would lack the same components-of-the-greater-whole element that defines 2CDs and 3CDs.
 
Warning For Marginal Behaviour - This kind of language towards another isn't really what we like to see.
Why would you assume that they're the same as spirit-programs in the shard, when demons and gods have always had fundamental differences? Especially since that would be a huge departure from canon demons, as they would lack the same components-of-the-greater-whole element that defines 2CDs and 3CDs.
Because I was making a joke, and you being the prick you are, are taking far, far too seriously?

Edit: Actually, you're not just a prick, you are damned fool at that. What kind of idiot thinks that a single line post, comparing a 2000s kid show to the Yozi in any setting was a serious post?
 
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Because I was making a joke, and you being the prick you are, are taking far, far too seriously?
I'm having trouble seeing how it was somehow wrong of me to infer that "we can guess they're the same as the other data-spirits" was in support of your prior statements in which you say they're just like data-spirits.

I'm a prick for assuming that you might have a consistent stance, I guess?
 
I'm having trouble seeing how it was somehow wrong of me to infer that "we can guess they're the same as the other data-spirits" was in support of your prior statements in which you say they're just like data-spirits.

I'm a prick for assuming that you might have a consistent stance, I guess?
No, you're a prick for taking a joke post seriously and I'm a fool for making a half-serious reply to you instead of saying it was just joke. God, this is why probably over half of the posts in this thread are bitching about lore, economics and infrasturcutre or 3E.
 
The Abyssals and Infernals get a quick blurb and then have to freely and of their own will accept that power.
Though it's worth noting that Green Sun Princes can be lied to and manipulated as long as they still willingly agree (so if they don't know the demon offering it is actually a demon they may have completely the wrong perception of the situation), and that while Abyssal Exaltation involves an supernatural and at least some degree explicit oath of service to the forces of Oblivion, it comes under hella duress since the only other option is "finish becoming dead".
 
Does the memories of the past screw with the present?
Depends on what you mean by "screw with." In general, they're just occasional flashes of memory. If you have the Past Lives merit, you get stronger ones; those could feasibly be distracting. If you have uh, whatever the extra disadvantage on that one (Throwback, I think?), then your past self can take control of you occasionally; same with Infernals with enough dots in their equivalent Background.

For the most part though, they don't do much that could be deemed 'screwing with.'
 
Depends on what you mean by "screw with." In general, they're just occasional flashes of memory. If you have the Past Lives merit, you get stronger ones; those could feasibly be distracting. If you have uh, whatever the extra disadvantage on that one (Throwback, I think?), then your past self can take control of you occasionally; same with Infernals with enough dots in their equivalent Background.

For the most part though, they don't do much that could be deemed 'screwing with.'
Its less "take control" and more "personality meld", as it adds the previous host's Motivation and Intimacies to your own, but does not overwrite anything.

Basicaly, its the current host, just acting somewhat more like the previous host for brief periods of time. He is still very much the same person he was before, he does'nt get ejected from his body while the previous host controls his body like a meat puppet.
 
Though it's worth noting that Green Sun Princes can be lied to and manipulated as long as they still willingly agree (so if they don't know the demon offering it is actually a demon they may have completely the wrong perception of the situation), and that while Abyssal Exaltation involves an supernatural and at least some degree explicit oath of service to the forces of Oblivion, it comes under hella duress since the only other option is "finish becoming dead".
Indeed, they can be lied to, but the being offering the exaltation is only allowed to use natural mental influence. No mindwhammies or anything, but people will often take that power anyway. They don't want to die, or they want to fix that mistake, or they never want to be powerless again, understandable motivations for accepting.

They'll still have a vauge idea of what they are, after they accept.
Does the memories of the past screw with the present?
They can, depending on what version of Past Lives you took, and how much you took. Stepping into the ruins of Meru and seeing flashes of the city as it was during the First Age is a bit of flavor but doesn't really screw with you.

Going "That's my ship" when you encounter a First Age fast cruiser screws with you a little.

Having the memories be so strong that you sometimes respond to the name of your last incarnation screws with you somewhat.

Waking up one morning and going "Who the hell are you, what did Little Sun Dragon do with her hair, and where are my Gens?" screws with you and your fellow players a lot, and makes for some great RP fodder.
 
Going "That's my ship" when you encounter a First Age fast cruiser screws with you a little.
On the other hand, you get a ship.

Having the memories be so strong that you sometimes respond to the name of your last incarnation screws with you somewhat.
And when you get a private message saying "you are now the previous incarnation, and no longer respond to the current incarnation's name at all" it's a pain in the ass*.
(It was fun, though.)
 
About past memories: how would Creation change if a minimum of them was always easily remembered by any future incarnations, with higher levels of them available by peoples doings the right things to awaken them?

(I would elaborate the idea a bit, but random headache isn't much fun, nor condictive to writing things. And i was procastinating with the above question for at least one week, maybe more.)
 
About past memories: how would Creation change if a minimum of them was always easily remembered by any future incarnations, with higher levels of them available by peoples doings the right things to awaken them?

(I would elaborate the idea a bit, but random headache isn't much fun, nor condictive to writing things. And i was procastinating with the above question for at least one week, maybe more.)
It would make the Immaculate Doctrine largely unworkable, as people would realize that reincarnation is a fundamentally random process. Given that the Doctrine is predicated upon reincarnation as a reward to motive 'moral' behavior (that is broadly speaking 'behavior benefitial to the Realm and the Sidereals,' although that's simplistic), the consequences on the setting would be broad and far-reaching.
 
Well humans are loosing far more memories when they pass by lethe, there is a reason that normal people can take at max 2 points of the asset, simply because Lethe has destroyed more remnants of the old you, if we talk about celestials here, well most modern ones would still have 5 years and a dozend or so bearers since the vanishing of the empress which should not give to much impact, old remnants of the first age on the other hand..
 
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