So you're saying he's also in Star Trek?
General Exalted Thread
So you're saying he's also in Star Trek?
Chloe Sullivan
Subdefective
- Location
- 1630 Revello Drive, Sunnydale CA
Man, that mountain really gets around.
Aaron Peori
Rest in Peace
Bring the mountain to Moses, eh?
- Location
- Spain
So, mortals can't learn sorcery in Kerisgame, then? Any special reason for this?
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He probably has a series of "there all along" charms so that he doesn't have to do anything so undignified as moving.
- Location
- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Mortals can totally learn sorcery. It's just that they need to have divine blood, or be the daughter of a demon, or be threaded through with elemental power, or have made sinister pacts with spirits for an Endowment that changes them into something with one foot in humanity and one foot outside it, which will eventually leave humanity behind altogether if they bolster their strength enough. Etcetera.
Pure humans, though, were made as prayer-cattle. They're not built to attain great power based purely on their own innate qualities.
To put it another way, the theme music of human sorcerers is Lithium Flower.
- Location
- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
- Pronouns
- She/Her
... it's... still exactly the same? Sorcery is available to anyone metaphysically potent enough to learn it; they can find tutelage in the flight of birds or the patterns of the wind and waves, etcetera. It's seared into the fabric of existence, and can never be truly lost.
Firstly, Solar themes are solely not "anything humans can do", because if they were then Solars would not be able to summon glowing golden blades of sunlight or permakill spirits (unless you subscribe to such a general chain of "human does this so Solar can do this" as to render essentially anything possible for them).
Secondly, Sorcery has nothing to do with Charms, and so doesn't interact with Solar themes in the first place - the whole point of Sorcery is that it offers a way to go beyond your Charmset's themes and effects.
Thirdly, even if this was the case, it wouldn't explain why Solars can't get Void Circle Necromancy, which is also something humans can do.
The Salinian Working was only one step along her plans. That's why Salina realised she needed to make a better humanity. One not so constrained by its limits. One who didn't think in hierarchies. One who would do the right thing naturally, without people forcing them. A better man, one without the vices of the flawed men of the Primordials.
A utopian.
(And that is one of the many, many reasons Sasi thinks Salina was as crazy as a frog)
Sorcery is Primordial magic. It's only through Solar arete that they can even reach the highest circle, the Adamant Circle, of sorcery at all.
- Location
- The end of all things
While pure humans may be unable to learn any sorcery under this system, some Third Circle Demons can now apparently master all circles of sorcery. That's actually a pretty big change that will allow them to get up to all kinds of fun plots. Adamant Primordial sorcery is a powerful and flexible toolbox to give to a prospective big bad.
- Location
- Spain
Well yeah, i agree with that. When i said the best, i meant the best it is posible to be, not that they are better at it that the primordials, that would be insane.
(I always thought that calling the adamant circle solar magic was a not-really subtle sign of hubris)
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
I thought that by the current era of exalted nearly every human has a various supernatural some or others at some point in their heritage, after all the theme of blood being spread out and diluted goes both ways.
- Location
- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Actually, looking at the other two Circle, we see a clear progression.
Emerald - Terrestrial.
Sapphire - Celestial.
Therefore, clearly, the Third Circle should be:
Adamant - Primordial.
This fits the pattern much better, and stops me twitching with compulsive symmetry-urges [1] whenever I see them all listed one after another.
[1] OBEY THE HIERARCHY. WORSHIP THE WHISPERING PYRE.
Okay, let me rephrase that. You need to have enough spirit blood that it shows up mechanically. Recent spirit blood. Still fresh.
Oh, yes. There's totally a way for a person with weak spirit blood to strengthen it.
You just need to follow an ascetic path for years and subject yourself to all kinds of trials and consort with the spirits so you can purge your filthy human weakness leaving a more pure spiritual self behind. Yes. Purge the weakness. Become more than human.
azoicennead
Overly-Affectionate Zombie Squad
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- He/They
... Does it count if it was someone else's blood? And it's not in my body? And I only have it because I haven't cleaned off my sword yet?
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
In all seriousness, speaking for myself I did once make a Dragonblooded who had 'breeding 5' due to years of fighting Raksha until accumulated splatterings of Wyld-gore had energised his spirit. So, yeah, killing a bunch of supernaturals in order to soak up the Essence of their death-cries would seem like a viable, albeit slow and incredibly dangerous path to becoming supernatural oneself.
azoicennead
Overly-Affectionate Zombie Squad
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- He/They
I wouldn't allow just killing spirits repeatedly, but if someone added some rituals to it I'd support it. I'd also make all spirits creeped the fuck out by them (because their essence would be metaphysically stitched-together pieces of other spirits, and doing the equivalent of oozing blood whenever they use it for anything), but repeatedly hunting and killing spirits to make their strength your own sounds reasonable.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Hunting spirits to consume their strength is too deliberate for what I mean. I'm suggesting the idea that when you spend years and years fighting creatures of powerful magic, being around those deaths slowly rubs off on you. It's akin to how being a trained killer makes you look at people differently, because a part of you is always in that, 'have a plan to kill everyone you meet' mode. Being party to the deaths of so many spirits slowly, inch by inch, makes you view the world differently. It makes an impression on your spirit, coaxing you by inches into a disconcerting kind of 'enlightenment'.
But yes, it creeps spirits out, although your essence is less 'stitched-together pieces of other spirits', more like somebody oiled you head to toe in a bowl filled, drop by drop, with the blood of hundreds or thousands of people.
But yes, it creeps spirits out, although your essence is less 'stitched-together pieces of other spirits', more like somebody oiled you head to toe in a bowl filled, drop by drop, with the blood of hundreds or thousands of people.
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Hmm. I don't know if I'd allow that, myself. Terrestrial Breeding is all about purity, not just raw metaphysical mojo.
That reminds me of that one Japanese myth that someone who has killed a thousand youkai would become a youkai themselves.
Granted, it doesn't really seem to fit for Dragonblooded getting to Breeding 5, but if it works for you then more power to you.
I've personally been pondering ways for Dragonblooded to artificially boost their Breeding. Pretty much all I can think of is that it would have to be something that couldn't be easily repeated otherwise the Dragonblooded of every Age would have been all over that. Maybe make it some kind of personal enlightenment or something?
Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
Kill your fellows for powers, concentrating their blood onto yours to further develop you elemental aspect would do the trick. Metagaos could help you, even!
Same trick could probably work for lintha as well.
Same trick could probably work for lintha as well.
