IIRC the Realm's main answers to sexuality for Dragonblooded is driven by:
-You can't force significant numbers of Exalted to do something without it backfiring. You can incentivize them, but anything involving force has to have an overwhelming degree of of willing buy in.
--Thus the lack of breeding camps, because the Dragonblooded in question have Opinions.
--Thus the acceptance of nonstandard sexuality and partners, since if you push them hard enough they can and will just leave.
--Expect a general "Yes, but you have to do X for that" strategy. It keeps the exalts busy in constructive rather than destructive ways.

-You always need more dynasts of good Breeding.
--Thus its socially expected for dynastic dragonblooded to make babies with other dynastic dragonblooded where possible, or at least some well bred Patricians if not.
--Thus the poor Breeding Lost Eggs and the like are subtly encouraged to join the army or Immaculates. Sure the Realm always needs more Dragonblooded, but it prefers that such Dragonblooded be in their dynastic houses for political stability reasons.
--The Neomah option is less popular than it seems because while people are quite readily equipped to have lots of conventional sex, sorcery is uncommon even amongst the elites, and a pound of flesh is quite a painful chunk even if you can heal that.

-The Realm is spread out enough that enforcement by both social and direct means is a crapshoot.
--Thus it doesn't try to impose rules and expectations it can't actually expect to enforce.
--Thus the acceptance of adoption as a solution, it can't actually check whether the kid is yours when there could be a year between visits, and allowing adoption at least means the Breeding genealogies stay clear and coherent.

Not too complicated, realpolitik wise.
 
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I think the motivation behind adoption of Dragon-blooded children from the patrician class (in 3e, peasant, slave, and dispossessed Dragon-bloods are shoved into the legions or the Immaculates no matter what) isn't "oh, nobody would know" since the Realm does have a ministry devoted solely to tracking these sorts of things, it's more that it forges better relations between the Great Houses and patrician families (and also poaches the Dragon-bloods from the patriciate so that they don't get too strong).
 
In my game I made it a rather simple terrestrial sorcery project to find a way to have children in a same sex relationships, including couples that are unable to have sex.

It still requires magic to pull off so it's a big hurdle. But once you have that magic it's not to hard to figure out.

Like one of my players PC's was born from a Flower Bud that Mnemon made with her sorcery. I'm super open to allow this kind of stuff.
 
I mean what even is the point if you don't at least have the OPTION of being an elemental demigod who was born when your sorcerer parents cast their blood into the inner sea in a ritual that washed a fetus up in a magic seashell that kept you alive for twelve months as you developed and then opened up to reveal a beautiful baby that would eventually exalt as a water aspect? And then once you become a sorcerer, you draw your initial initiation from the magic shell that you now wear as a necklace.
 
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So I have to bring this up- are we going to reduce the entirety of well, mythic midwifery and fertility stories to one demon species and a single catch-all sorcerous working mechanic? Is that all we can say about this topic? I'm legit baffled here. Nobody's bringing up things like the Hecatomb- or even 3e's own attempt with the Caul ? I think the Caul is boring as presented, but seriously! That's all we can bring to the table here?
 
So I have to bring this up- are we going to reduce the entirety of well, mythic midwifery and fertility stories to one demon species and a single catch-all sorcerous working mechanic? Is that all we can say about this topic?
I've given up on complaining about people using sorcerous workings to solve every problem. It's a loosing battle.

It turns out when you effectively remove the basic everyday magic from the world to try and make it more mysterious and epic, people will gravitate to the magics systems they know that work and that are designed to be used by player characters.
 
Give me oppression of minorities and women, discrimination of people based on their orientation or gender identity, or something. Especially in a game like Exalted where "societal reformation" is totally a thing you can expect your character to be capable of.
Problem with applying that to a Dragon-Blooded game in the Realm the advantages that Exalted PCs have with pushing social reforms will be greatly mitigated by the fact that the conservatives will also be Exalts and that the whole system is breaking down without the Empress.

Explaining how you'd push for LGBT rights in the Realm without making yourself a kingmaker in the upcoming civil war would require an incredibly disproportionate amount of focus to do justice.

Leave people to their own devices? You might as well tell people to suck it up.
 
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The Realm has a pretty good sidebar about discrimination in the Realm and how to bring it up in play. I don't know if I quoting an entire sidebar would be going too far in terms of copyright, but to summarise, they advice you to talk with your players about those issues and only make them major issues if the players want to engage with them. But if they do want to fight sexism, prejudice and so on in the Realm, go ahead and make an epic campaign out of it.
And after all, you don't create social injustices and then make people powerful demigods that can shake the world and then expect them all to not address these things:
These issues exist in creation to starkly and vividly illustrate life in the Realm, and to give players injustices to fight against.
 
It's good for the subject matter of optional discrimination. Without that context "make an epic tale out of it" would be an irresponsible handwave.
 
The primary discrimination in the Realm appears to be along class "Dynast/non-Dynast" lines and ethnic "Wan/Foreigner" lines (Wan being 3e's name for the Blessed Isle's dominant ethnic group, as opposed to just "islander"). Individual prejudice against the LGBT+ spectrum would still exist. Sure, society may be pretty okay with you DB marrying her GF, but her domineering mother who set up a lucrative marriage arrangement for her back when she was in primary school might not be, and she might use her considerable wealth to make her displeasure known, and she might lash out at other LGBT+ pairings to vent her rage by proxy. Asexual DBs would have it pretty tough if they don't want to join the Immaculate Order as well.
 
I've not read the Realm book, but I tend to assume that DBs don't really need to care about society's prejudices. They need to care about the prejudices of specific people, particularly elder members of their families, but the opinions of the masses are fundamentally not that important in a Terrestrial life.

Even in the Scarlet Empire, you're unlikely to have that many DBs close to you. When all but a dozen of the people in your life are supernaturally and religiously beneath you, the statistically predominant gives way to the idiosyncratic.

With that in mind, I'd say the strongest prejudice in the Dynasty is probably against people who don't listen to their mothers.
 
It turns out when you effectively remove the basic everyday magic from the world to try and make it more mysterious and epic, people will gravitate to the magics systems they know that work and that are designed to be used by player characters.
2e Thaum will always be the "you need to be a wizard to be able to make soap and cosmetics" weirdness to me. I just say that you can do basic, non-world shaking magics with regular rolls if you've got a occult skill of 3 and a thaumaturgy-based specialty.
 
2e Thaum will always be the "you need to be a wizard to be able to make soap and cosmetics" weirdness to me. I just say that you can do basic, non-world shaking magics with regular rolls if you've got a occult skill of 3 and a thaumaturgy-based specialty.
I don't really grok that viewpoint. I mean, no, you don't have to be a wizard to make soap, you just need to be somewhat educated (in this 'chemistry, math, etc sense, not the literature/history sense, that's Lore), which has a rather different meaning in an animistic universe. I mean, I'm somewhat educated and in this universe I can totally make soap. 'Wizard' explicitly applies to sorcery which is much more of a Big Thing.
 
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2e Thaum will always be the "you need to be a wizard to be able to make soap and cosmetics" weirdness to me. I just say that you can do basic, non-world shaking magics with regular rolls if you've got a occult skill of 3 and a thaumaturgy-based specialty.

Eh, I always figured it was explicitly magic soap. Like, it cleans any stains and lets you have the anime/comic book superhero look, where you can be hit with a fighter jet, yet the hair around your posing pouch is still immaculately groomed, and that your body oil never beguns to run or clump.

Plus i liked it for all the occult stuff, like showing how 'normal' people would beckon a demon, try and invoke a minor god for aid or enchant a sword that could hopefully deal with the ghost sneaking in and killing your sheep every night. Sort of like folklore and superstitions that we have in the world but that actually work. They might not know why hanging a ribbon of a certain blue over your door while you slept would protect you from the local monsters, or even what those monsters were.. but it works and so they do it.

Like yes, I would prefer it to be an explicit thing of the Occult ability, like how people in a larger city might know which temple is best to approach when they want a specific blessing, but it feels like some in the development feel that mortals being able to do anything useful which can be considered magic is bad for the game line, so its unlikely to occur.
 
The primary discrimination in the Realm appears to be along class "Dynast/non-Dynast" lines and ethnic "Wan/Foreigner" lines (Wan being 3e's name for the Blessed Isle's dominant ethnic group, as opposed to just "islander"). Individual prejudice against the LGBT+ spectrum would still exist. Sure, society may be pretty okay with you DB marrying her GF, but her domineering mother who set up a lucrative marriage arrangement for her back when she was in primary school might not be, and she might use her considerable wealth to make her displeasure known, and she might lash out at other LGBT+ pairings to vent her rage by proxy. Asexual DBs would have it pretty tough if they don't want to join the Immaculate Order as well.
It perpetually disappoints me that the only asexual DB presented in the splat appears to have been made so entirely to make it so that he wouldn't be seducable, rather than to explore what it's like to be a secular asexual in a society where sex and procreation are immensely important.
 
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I perpetually disappoints me that the only asexual DB presented in the splat appears to have been made so entirely to make it so that he wouldn't be seducable, rather than to explore what it's like to be a secular asexual in a society where sex and procreation are immensely important.

Who? Amon Mora?
 
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Him, yes. Which makes it doubly bad imo because I think he is otherwise a really good and interesting character, and it sucks that he's tainted by my disappointment at how...insincere of an asexual character he is. He could be a eunuch, or have a Defining Intimacy towards chastity after his spouse's death, and the effects on his character would be largely identical to him being asexual.
 
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Have there ever been any prominent Asexual (human) characters in Exalted before? I know there's plenty of characters on the LGBT+ spectrum(including Her Redness and possibly Chejop Kejak), but I can't think of a prominent ace character.

Cynis Takagana in 1e displayed discomfort with sexual intercourse, but he was a castrati and pressured into it as part of a perverse Immaculate Initiation ceremony to show "dedication in the face of unpleasantness" and admits to having indistinct feelings for his old fiancee.

Some of the older iconics could definitely qualify as ace, but that's just because there hasn't been any mention of their sexuality in general, not an explict acknowledgement that they were ace.
 
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I've not read the Realm book, but I tend to assume that DBs don't really need to care about society's prejudices. They need to care about the prejudices of specific people, particularly elder members of their families, but the opinions of the masses are fundamentally not that important in a Terrestrial life.

Even in the Scarlet Empire, you're unlikely to have that many DBs close to you. When all but a dozen of the people in your life are supernaturally and religiously beneath you, the statistically predominant gives way to the idiosyncratic.

With that in mind, I'd say the strongest prejudice in the Dynasty is probably against people who don't listen to their mothers.
In my opinion, you're not wrong, but I feel like you might be overstating things a tad.

On many levels, yeah, by dint of their power and social position a lot of Dragonblooded can ignore a lot of stigmas. A female DB can join a crew of Western sailors despite their inherent disapproval because most Storm Mothers know better than to pick a fight with an Exalt. So what if the peasants in this province believe transgender people to be untrustworthy? They've also been indoctrinated into thinking you're a superior being by dint of being one of the Chosen.

In that sense sure, a lot of prejudice kind of slides off your back. But uh... Exalts are human, and walking around hearing everyone whisper behind your back, or seeing them try to avoid your gaze, or whisper prayers under their breath or something will effect a Dragonblooded just as much as a human.

Now, you're a Dragonblooded and a lot of those things are normal reactions from people with a demi-god in their midst, so you're used to it, but its still not great to have that around you all the time. And if you truly don't give a shit I imagine you don't care much for mortals and their opinions at all, so congrats on being a standard member of the Dynasty :V

Then there's prejudices you've been taught yourself growing up, which you're definitely not immune to, and things like people's attitude towards Sorcerers and demon-summoners.

And like, yeah, the opinions of your Dragonblooded peers and superiors are almost certainly the ones that matter most. That doesn't mean you're immune to hearing your housekeepers spreading malicious rumours.
 
2e Thaum will always be the "you need to be a wizard to be able to make soap and cosmetics" weirdness to me. I just say that you can do basic, non-world shaking magics with regular rolls if you've got a occult skill of 3 and a thaumaturgy-based specialty.

I don't really grok that viewpoint. I mean, no, you don't have to be a wizard to make soap, you just need to be somewhat educated (in this 'chemistry, math, etc sense, not the literature/history sense, that's Lore), which has a rather different meaning in an animistic universe. I mean, I'm somewhat educated and in this universe I can totally make soap. 'Wizard' explicitly applies to sorcery which is much more of a Big Thing.

Eh, I always figured it was explicitly magic soap. Like, it cleans any stains and lets you have the anime/comic book superhero look, where you can be hit with a fighter jet, yet the hair around your posing pouch is still immaculately groomed, and that your body oil never beguns to run or clump.

Plus i liked it for all the occult stuff, like showing how 'normal' people would beckon a demon, try and invoke a minor god for aid or enchant a sword that could hopefully deal with the ghost sneaking in and killing your sheep every night. Sort of like folklore and superstitions that we have in the world but that actually work. They might not know why hanging a ribbon of a certain blue over your door while you slept would protect you from the local monsters, or even what those monsters were.. but it works and so they do it.

Like yes, I would prefer it to be an explicit thing of the Occult ability, like how people in a larger city might know which temple is best to approach when they want a specific blessing, but it feels like some in the development feel that mortals being able to do anything useful which can be considered magic is bad for the game line, so its unlikely to occur.

Thaumaturgy has been maligned now for 3 editions, either because it was too complex, or otherwise ineffectual. But time and time again every time it comes up, I am going to tell you all how much was lost when thaumaturgy got the shaft.

At the most fundamental level, to Unbanshee's point about 'being a wizard to make soap', is a gross misreading of how Thaumaturgy was supposed to work. At the core, Thaumaturgy is about knowledge and education. It's about how Creation was a rational world full of comprehensible rules that even if they were not always transparent, were otherwise consistent. Secondly, Thaumaturgy allowed developers to include small scale effects that did not compete with the exceptionalism of Charms- and provided powerful, meaningful texture for the non-exalted groups of Creation.

Was it mechanized badly? Sure- did it cost too much for PCs? Yeah- but honestly PCs weren't intended to use lots of thaumaturgy- your NPC allies were. This could have been implemented better! The point of it being rooted in Occult is that it's an ability that is not linearly useful to most individuals- Joe Mortal doesn't need Occult, but the blacksmith benefits from it greatly. It's a big signal saying 'this person is educated in the sciences' (contrast Lore as Humanities).

A lot of the modern proponents of adapted Thaumaturgy push it away from being an Occult power and into 'any ability can do Thaumaturgy'. So if you're Melee 3+, you can do Melee Apprentice or Adept Rituals or however the system ends up working.

I will point out to Sucal that Thamaturgy really only gets blatantly magical at the Master level- like turning lead to gold. Apprentice and Adept level rituals are incredibly useful and can have no small amount of miraculous effect, but they're things like beckonings and wards and the like.

But at the end of the day, the removal of thaumaturgy as 2e presented it was a travesty. It was useful, evocative, elegant despite it's flaws, and more!
 
Tepet Elana wasn't asexual(she's one of the Empress's paramours), but she was being pressured by her folks to marry. 1e had some monks being very discriminatory towards an Earth Aspected magistrate for not procreating (again not sure about her sexuality).
 
Have there ever been any prominent Asexual (human) characters in Exalted before? I know there's plenty of characters on the LGBT+ spectrum(including Her Redness and possibly Chejop Kejak), but I can't think of a prominent ace character.

Cynis Takagana in 1e displayed discomfort with sexual intercourse, but he was a castrati and pressured into it as part of a perverse Immaculate Initiation ceremony to show "dedication in the face of unpleasantness" and admits to having indistinct feelings for his old fiancee.

Some of the older iconics could definitely qualify as ace, but that's just because there hasn't been any mention of their sexuality in general, not an explict acknowledgement that they were ace.
Well, I've gotta say that outside of the DBs, sexual orientation or lack thereof doesn't really have as much impact? With other splats, you can have children, but with DBs it's important that you have children. Unless your idea of a good character trait is to go around aggressively not having sex with people, there is a rather niche set of circumstances when being asexual would particularly matter.

I've never particularly wanted or needed to be represented in other splats besides the DBs, because there would be no story there, no interesting facet to explore. With DBs, there are actual reasons for it to come up, genuinely interesting avenues to explore with it. Especially when combined with Perfectly Arranged Marriage being one of my favorite tropes. How do you make a healthy, loving relationship out of a political union when you have the additional burden of your partner being DTF while you are indifferent at best?

If Exalted isn't going to give me that, then the least they could do is do the one representative character honestly, instead of the lukewarm bullshit it pulled with Amon Mora. He is married to his job, nearing the end of his lifespan even as an Exalt, and far from being an active part of the Realm's social scene. There is one asexual character in WFHW, and it's the character for whom being asexual or not would matter the least. It's frustrating, and I can't help but feel cheated somehow.
 
Well, depending on how much political intrigue you want in your Exalted, asexuality or lack thereof could have diplomatic consequences on the percieved legitimacy of your new Celestial demigod-kings.
 
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