More like "Greatest at [Human Ability]" is part of the Solar's whole schtick, and thats an incredibly broad area of competency that makes it really hard to find a niche for anyone else to fill. Especially since [Human Ability] is how humans tend to interact with most everything.
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That's literally what the Charm is!
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I know that this isn't true because I'm on the "Jock" side for extremely nerdy reasons.
The thinking in your nerd example is much closer to mine than the thinking in your jock example, but I'm 100% pro-breaking-OTPs.
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Part of my issue issue with the whole thing and the way a lot of charms work is a player who is very invested in ciphers and spycraft is going to be highly dissatisfied with a charm the instantly and perfectly breaks codes and is going to be hyper annoyed when such things are used against them.
The person who will be excited by a 'perfectly decode' charm is someone eco sees a code ad an impediment to their fun.
And you could replace 'ciphers'/'spycraft' with literally anything someone might be really interested/excited (or inversely, bored) about.
And I don't think the nerd/ jock analogy is really perfect cause, in general, people are going to be nerds about something's and jocks about others. Someone might be really excited about combat, while someone else can't wait for that to be over so they can get to the real game, court intrigue, while someone else can't wait for that to be over so they can get to the real game, city planning, while someone else can't wait for that to be over, so they can get to the real game, infiltrating an enemy complex, while some else can't wait for that to be over so they can get to the real game etc....
Different people ate going to want different things out of games and communication is a huge key. If a player starts in to about their cool plan to encode things with a OTP, if the ST doesn't want the game to be concerned with such things they should much clear such immediately. Letting tube player get into such abs then having an enemy pop 'perfect Code Breaking Prana' and instantly decipher it is kinda a dick move.
The person who will be excited by a 'perfectly decode' charm is someone eco sees a code ad an impediment to their fun.
And you could replace 'ciphers'/'spycraft' with literally anything someone might be really interested/excited (or inversely, bored) about.
And I don't think the nerd/ jock analogy is really perfect cause, in general, people are going to be nerds about something's and jocks about others. Someone might be really excited about combat, while someone else can't wait for that to be over so they can get to the real game, court intrigue, while someone else can't wait for that to be over so they can get to the real game, city planning, while someone else can't wait for that to be over, so they can get to the real game, infiltrating an enemy complex, while some else can't wait for that to be over so they can get to the real game etc....
Different people ate going to want different things out of games and communication is a huge key. If a player starts in to about their cool plan to encode things with a OTP, if the ST doesn't want the game to be concerned with such things they should much clear such immediately. Letting tube player get into such abs then having an enemy pop 'perfect Code Breaking Prana' and instantly decipher it is kinda a dick move.
This is why you should combine these things.
Things like battle opera where the fights are real. Or poetry slam urban planning. Or infiltrations where you need to solve occult puzzle locks. (Sadly that last one is mostly limited to manses or FA ruins.)
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I didn't say that, did I?
Fair enough. But I think that's a bit of a different argument.
Truth be told, I've never played a game where ciphers were even close to that important. In a game where they were, I'd kind of expect things to come down to dueling cryptography Charms and increasingly esoteric methods of preventing messages from being intercepted or even noticed.
I can see the appeal of mundane cryptographic escalation too. It's just not super compatible with the way I imagine Creation's mathematical scene. Which is, again, not something that canon defines.
Yeah, that's about how I picture it too.
Fair enough. But I think that's a bit of a different argument.
Truth be told, I've never played a game where ciphers were even close to that important. In a game where they were, I'd kind of expect things to come down to dueling cryptography Charms and increasingly esoteric methods of preventing messages from being intercepted or even noticed.
I can see the appeal of mundane cryptographic escalation too. It's just not super compatible with the way I imagine Creation's mathematical scene. Which is, again, not something that canon defines.
Yeah, that's about how I picture it too.
What level of calculus though? There's a difference between the calculus concepts which existed in ancient times (i.e. the method of exhaustion/infinite series approximations), which would cover integrals and differentiation on a basic level, and the systematized and generalized version of calculus that derives from the works of Newton & Leibniz.
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As I said, your assumption sucks. You can keep making it over and over but it's the frictionless spherical cow.
Especially, at a table, if a person contests an OTP with a Solar linguistics charm then their roll-off against the opponent's Intelligence + Linguistics roll should be interpreted as representing whether the opponent made a mistake sufficient for the Solar, aided by their formidable magic, to exploit.
The information need not come out of nowhere, but it also the particular failure mode need not be explicit unless you feel like narrating it. (For example, as I mentioned, the information might be leaked in the handwriting.)
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No, there is another faction, the people who think the Huge Nerds are posers and wrong about the details of the thing they're nerding out about. (After all, it's not the first time I've caught Chung trying to browbeat people with blatantly incorrect mathematical claims.)
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Maybe you should have spent more time on the *actual* rules then, instead of trying to win some irrelevant forum arguments from years prior.
Still down-low promoting Morke's Patreon in your spare Twitter hours, or did you think everyone sort of overlooked that "my bad, I forgot my best friend was a sex pest" non-apology?
I feel like this kind of issue would be a lot simpler to resolve if when people wondered whether a Solar can do a thing, the implicit assumptions that "a Solar" means "any given Solar," and "can do a thing" means "with Solar Charms." At least, those are assumptions that I have been picking up.
Should a Solar be able to decrypt anything? Absolutely, because a Solar can have Supernal'd in the relevant skill and then invested heavily in the decryption Charms needed. Should any Solar be able to? Fuck no, because it takes even Solars centuries to millennia to achieve Essence 4 and 5, and may not have the ability to even buy the necessary Charms to try for most of their careers.
Should a Solar be able to do anything? Absolutely, because a Solar can have other Exalts and spirits as allies to do things pure skill cannot allow, possess Hearthstones, Sorcery, or Artifacts with Evocations that can allow them wield powers outside of their themes, and take actions to surmount their limitations and obstacles. Should Solar Charms be able to do anything? Fuck no, if for no other reason than otherwise there would be no reason to go out and get cool shit, because a 5-dot daiklave of awesomeness incarnate would be just as meaningful to possess as a random stick, as long as you had the right Solar Charms.
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A lot of the issue on the OTP-crackability for a fully specc'd Solar boils down to this for me - a One Time Pad isn't a tool, like a encrypted message or weapon or lock pick. Its a plot Macguffin.
If something of that level of investment is treated as anything other than a major plot point, it defeats the entire point of having it exist in the first place.
If something of that level of investment is treated as anything other than a major plot point, it defeats the entire point of having it exist in the first place.
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It's not such a high level of investment.
A one-time pad is really not that hard to cook up. You just a need to share a randomly generated text string equal in length to whatever message you're going to send.
A one-time pad is really not that hard to cook up. You just a need to share a randomly generated text string equal in length to whatever message you're going to send.
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so how about them Lunar charms in 3e
Incorrect. We can settle all questions by allowing Google or Apple to be our arbiters.
You just type in "Exalted is a game about..." in your phone and let Google's autocomplete do the rest
"Exalted is a game about the Mueller thread"
I mean I suppose Exalted's a game about the powerlessness of the masses watching a handful of men blinded by hubris make awful decisions, with their only hope being trusting in unknowable, flawed saviors
So it makes sense
Are you genuinely suggesting that Exalted needs mechanics that account for modern day encryption techniques, or what?
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So what does it say about me when it says Exalted is a game about depression? D:
Means you shouldn't play it on a hex grid.
Are circle grids a thing when it comes to table top games? I've always viewed 3es Ranged Bands as being circles.
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This is also why EX3 stresses "ask your Storyteller." The truth is, I personally have no reason to give a shit how you're adjudicating the minutiae of the game as long as you're having fun. There are certainly, say, lie-detecting powers floating around that could reward a player trying to beat them by tactically giving true-but-misleading answers, omitting information without actually falsifying their responses, responding with leading questions rather than actually answering outright, using Avoiding the Truth Technique to fool their interrogator since they can't fool the Charm, etc. If you've got a player who would be similarly delighted by using the detailed nuances of other elements in a similar fashion, sure, rule that it's possible. The default slant doesn't run in that direction, since "guy has to beat lie detection" is much more common in popular fiction than "guy has to beat magic decryption," and if you don't already know what an OTP is you are probably spectacularly uninterested in finding out, but hey knock yourself out. Ain't gonna bother Bob and Bob's group two houses down who shrugged and let a Charm run straight over the top of an OTP without slowing down. You're not actually playing in the same world, just similar-looking worlds grown from the same seeds.
Ask your Storyteller. He knows which ruling is going to make the group happy or piss it off better than I do.
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They are, at best, something that can inspire a lost bit of first age artifice that was inspired by the modern thing.
Legend of Ruina
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Google gets me squares as well, as for autocorrect:
Apparently my iPad likes Exalted.
OctarineShrike
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Exalted is a game about the four horsemen.
So it's Darksiders the RPG /s?
So it's Darksiders the RPG /s?