- Location
- Denmark
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- She/Her
I think I'll stay with Sanceline, whom I do most assuredly not have a schoolgirl crush on at all.
General Exalted Thread
I think I'll stay with Sanceline, whom I do most assuredly not have a schoolgirl crush on at all.
Azrael
Sakura Saber
- Location
- Throne of Heroes
That would be the question, wouldn't it?
For the hand, about the only option I see would be to swim to the center of the Pole of Water and somehow reclaim it from Daana'd... and good luck with that.
- Location
- Pittsburgh, PA
For the skin, you'd want to build him a new one from the flayed, kept-alive-through-magic hides of a few hundred gods, sewn together and then soaked in a lake of his paint-blood Essence to make sure it takes when you perform the grafting ritual.
His balls, on the other hand...
First, find out what the Deliberative did with them; there's a tiny chance they're still retrievable. Most likely, however, they were either thrown away or rendered down for use by Sorcerers, so you'll have to build him new ones. Considering they're apparently the source of his inventiveness and creative spark, you could probably get away with harvesting a massive number of raksha, force-feeding them massive amounts of properly-aspected Essence, then boiling them down and mixing them together into a giant pair of mystic Neuticles, which could then be attached at the same time as his new skin.
- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
- Location
- Singapore
I'm still confused, though.
If one were to beat up the water dragon and take back the hand, what would the immaculate order feel?
If one were to beat up the water dragon and take back the hand, what would the immaculate order feel?
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Presumably punch you for suggesting that the Water Dragon is anything but a perfected archetype to emulate.
Azrael
Sakura Saber
- Location
- Throne of Heroes
Assuming they ever found out, which is unlikely because very few people go to the Pole of Water and fewer still talk to Daana'd, they would probably fly into a righteous fury and start trying to mobilize everything they can to kill you.
This is also assuming they are even convinced it is actually possible for Daana'd to be fought, let alone beaten. They kind of believe the Elemental Dragons to be the pinnacle of elightenment and generally completely outside the domain of mortal men.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
No, those are the Immaculate Dragons, who just happen to share the names of the Elemental Dragons.
For the arm, I'm gonna agree with @Azrael, and say it would mostly be a matter of getting the damn thing back, and possibly fighting his current prosthetic as it screams and struggles to keep existing. Also, convincing him that he should accept it, rather than keeping his current prosthetic out of a combination of self-loathing, deluded belief that his prosthetic is superior, and "fuk u, exalt, i don't trust u."
The castration sounds significantly harder to fix. It was done to hurt, not to claim a trophy. His greater self might be able to offer him a profane and distorted replacement, assuming you can get him to be Beloved once more instead of Reviled. A true healing, if at all possible, would probably require some combination of fecund Kimberian essence, Solar-level skill at biothaumaturgy, the sacrifice/remaking of one of his souls, and the aid of a thematically appropriate Third Circle or Incarna.
The burning is "ha ha no" levels of difficult to fix. He freely grasped the fire of creation, and was burned for it. I'd imagine that the burns are not merely to his body, but to his very essence. Maybe if he was sufficiently remade, into someone who could never have grasped that fire, Cytherea might deign to allow him healing. Maybe. But beyond that, I don't imagine any path that doesn't involve going directly against the working of a Primordial in the domain of her power.
- Location
- Spain
They would probably guess something is wrong when the oceans turn to acid.
Hmm...I agree about the resources thing but what would Scrooge McDuck's money bin count as ? Clearly its not just that he has trillions of dollars, though he certainly benefits from the cult like anchor of 'Richest Duck in the World'...but the Money Bin itself seems to be something APART from his raw bank account. Would it count as cult, or artefact or something else?
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- Spain
Status: "Richest guy in the world".
Azrael
Sakura Saber
- Location
- Throne of Heroes
...No?
When a Dragonblooded dies, their soul returns to the Elemental Dragon who shares their Aspect. Because Dragonblooded are at the precipice of the perfect enlightenment of the Elemental Dragons.
The Immaculate Dragons were dragonblooded (possibly mortal incarnations of the Elemental Dragons descended to save Creation from the Anathema), who were exemplary in all respects, and joined with the Elemental Dragons when they died.
The Elemental Dragons oversee and protect all of Creation and are the leaders of Heaven.
Or at least this is my understanding of Immaculate doctrine. I could be horribly wrong.
Thus, if you're beating up Daana'd, you're beating up the pinnacle of Enlightenment, ruler-of-heaven Daana'd.
And that's crazy. You can't do that.
Well, healing his hand doesn't free him. And even if the oceans turn to acid, that doesn't mean an Anathema journeyed to the Pole of Water and beat up Daana'd.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
This post is almost entirely wrong. I'll go through it line by line, because I'm horrible.
Dragon-blooded get reincarnated after they die according to Immaculate doctrine, just like everybody else.
This is mostly right, except the part about joining with the Elemental dragons.
This is wrong. Immaculate doctrine states that the Incarnae rule heaven, but that the Immaculate dragons are the ideals that should be followed.
You are.
You're not.
You can.
- Location
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- She/Her
I'm not going to get involved in that debate; mainly because I don't care, and I don't remember, but how about you guys actually try and cite your claims? So you can actually prove the amount of positive claims you're both throwing around?
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
oh shit citations my one weakness.
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To be honest; I can't actually remember how the Immaculate Faith works, mainly because Chiming Minaret has been slipping over into this weird monolatrous Danaa'd-conflated-with-Sanceline-thing, that doesn't at all look like the actual Immaculate Faith at all.
The power of citations to the rescue!
And the second noble insight:
Sorry, but you're the one that's wrong. The Immaculate Philosophy teaches that all beings are constantly reborn and are moving up and down the road of enlightenment. To quite the First Noble Insight:
And
And the second noble insight:
The ultimate goal for people is not to reincarnate as a DB. It is a sign you're close to the end of the road, which is becoming one with the Dragons. Now, it is possible for a DB to reincarnate as another DB but the order teaches that if you act correctly in life you won't be reincarnated.
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I can't remember if TCDs can learn all three circles of Sorcery. If not, is there any way for him to learn a spell that can summon him, specifically, and bind it into one of his paintings?
Azrael
Sakura Saber
- Location
- Throne of Heroes
He explicitly sends out rituals that call him, pretending to summon lesser demons.
Not what I was asking, although i suppose the fact he bothers does tell me he can't do what I meant. The actual Primordial Circle Sorcery spell summons the demon until it is banished, either by the binding ending or countermagic. His rituals give him a single day, and may even weaken him, because he takes over the body of the person using it and may not be able to upgrade it to match him even while in it. It is equally likely he's at full power when summoned that way, but he's still there for a day total.
- Location
- my house
So revisiting the idea of an exalted One Piece cross, the biggest issue with combining them seem to be Power Levels.
Power Levels: In One Piece, the Navy is shown to have personnel who can fight one on one with even the strongest characters in the series. While they will obviously be outstripped by Luffy ( Our benchmark for Solar) by the end of the series, the best marines will probably still be in his weight class. While it's possible to simply turn the Navy into the realm, and have the Navy using Wyld-Hunt tactics against anathema, I don't find this to be a very good solution. [1] One idea I'm tossing around in my head to deal with this is to make everyone little solar exalted. The rules are still a little wonky, and haven't been finalized yet, but the ideas are there.
Remove the ability and skill caps (or raise them to 10), since their doesn't really seem to be any upper limit in One Piece. Throw charms trees behind some kind of barrier, to represent the singular focus and determination it requires to go from merely supernaturally good at something to doing the impossible. I'm currently thinking that each character is limited in the number of charms trees they can have access to (or it gets progressively and exorbitantly more expensive), and that each one requires an XP cost buy in, as well as some sort of sorcererous initiation. Each one would probably have to be in paradigm, for lack of a better word. So some charms in a tree may not be available to a given character.
Using Zoro as an example, he would have spent some XP and gone through a specific ordeal in order to gain access to the Melee Charm tree, within the paradigm of three sword style. This initiation/trial would probably have been included in his sword training, as a sort of capstone, showing he is a fully realized practitioner of that style. Probably some form of duel or battle against a monster or something. After doing all this he would then be able to start spending XP in the melee charms tree.
Marines would follow the same principles for training, however the standard Marine training would generally be based around Dragon-blooded charms, as they are easier to teach and focused on group effort, i.e. the XP cost for each charm tree is smaller and the initiation is easier, so they can churn out more recruits. Those who show promise are generally taught the more complicated styles, as part of their training for command. So high-level marines have access to solar level charms.
Marines would function must like a seaborne version of the realm otherwise, with access to the normal amount of charms and infrastructure.
Marejois would become Yu Shan, with the celestial dragons being powerful spirits who have basically started to run the show while the Incarne are distracted by the games of divinity.
The various CP's work the same way, though their techniques would be based around sidereal charms and would basically be kept state secrets.
The reason Devil Fruits would be such a huge deal is that each one grants the user access to a unique charm tree and a few basic charms at no cost. So when Luffy eats the gum-gum fruit, he can immediately start spending XP on the charms it grants him/he invents without having to go through the initiation or pay the XP startup cost. Of course, it does prevent them from swimming.
Infernal's would basically be special devil fruits that always reform in the nearest fruit in Malfeas so the reclamation always has access to them. They would either have a variant based on each Yozi/Soul or offer access to the two favored Yozi charmsets free, and grant the option to undergo initiation for the other sets.
Unless otherwise noted, this setting would function as EarthScorpions version of Exalted, as I'm a huge fan of his work.
[1]. That being said, you could play a really good game of Exalted by simply changing the world of exalted into a giant archipelago and have your circle of solars competing against all the other returned solars (and infernals, and abysals, and lunars etc) to get the mythical One Piece artifact and become Undefeated on the Waves.
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Coming at this from the other direction (mostly exalted, a few One Piece additions).
Make the world mostly water, keep the realm basically as is.
The first Solar Exalted to come back cut a swath across creation as the "Pirate King", before he was captured and executed. As he died he declared he hid his vast riches in "One Piece" at the end of the "grand line", creations most dangerous ocean route. This is rumored to include a very powerful relic from the era of the Solar Deliberative.
Many Solars now dream of claiming this treasure/becoming the new "Pirate King". Many Infernals are tasked with claiming it for the Yozi. Many Gods wish to claim it, etc.
Devil Fruits are relics of the Solars' experimentation in producing exalted of their own. Each one grants the user access to a new charm tree, and the ability to invent charms in it's theme. Control of them is vital to the Dragon-Blooded as they allow them to expand their themes and even grant some charms that can rival Celestial exalts.
Power Levels: In One Piece, the Navy is shown to have personnel who can fight one on one with even the strongest characters in the series. While they will obviously be outstripped by Luffy ( Our benchmark for Solar) by the end of the series, the best marines will probably still be in his weight class. While it's possible to simply turn the Navy into the realm, and have the Navy using Wyld-Hunt tactics against anathema, I don't find this to be a very good solution. [1] One idea I'm tossing around in my head to deal with this is to make everyone little solar exalted. The rules are still a little wonky, and haven't been finalized yet, but the ideas are there.
Remove the ability and skill caps (or raise them to 10), since their doesn't really seem to be any upper limit in One Piece. Throw charms trees behind some kind of barrier, to represent the singular focus and determination it requires to go from merely supernaturally good at something to doing the impossible. I'm currently thinking that each character is limited in the number of charms trees they can have access to (or it gets progressively and exorbitantly more expensive), and that each one requires an XP cost buy in, as well as some sort of sorcererous initiation. Each one would probably have to be in paradigm, for lack of a better word. So some charms in a tree may not be available to a given character.
Using Zoro as an example, he would have spent some XP and gone through a specific ordeal in order to gain access to the Melee Charm tree, within the paradigm of three sword style. This initiation/trial would probably have been included in his sword training, as a sort of capstone, showing he is a fully realized practitioner of that style. Probably some form of duel or battle against a monster or something. After doing all this he would then be able to start spending XP in the melee charms tree.
Marines would follow the same principles for training, however the standard Marine training would generally be based around Dragon-blooded charms, as they are easier to teach and focused on group effort, i.e. the XP cost for each charm tree is smaller and the initiation is easier, so they can churn out more recruits. Those who show promise are generally taught the more complicated styles, as part of their training for command. So high-level marines have access to solar level charms.
Marines would function must like a seaborne version of the realm otherwise, with access to the normal amount of charms and infrastructure.
Marejois would become Yu Shan, with the celestial dragons being powerful spirits who have basically started to run the show while the Incarne are distracted by the games of divinity.
The various CP's work the same way, though their techniques would be based around sidereal charms and would basically be kept state secrets.
The reason Devil Fruits would be such a huge deal is that each one grants the user access to a unique charm tree and a few basic charms at no cost. So when Luffy eats the gum-gum fruit, he can immediately start spending XP on the charms it grants him/he invents without having to go through the initiation or pay the XP startup cost. Of course, it does prevent them from swimming.
Infernal's would basically be special devil fruits that always reform in the nearest fruit in Malfeas so the reclamation always has access to them. They would either have a variant based on each Yozi/Soul or offer access to the two favored Yozi charmsets free, and grant the option to undergo initiation for the other sets.
Unless otherwise noted, this setting would function as EarthScorpions version of Exalted, as I'm a huge fan of his work.
[1]. That being said, you could play a really good game of Exalted by simply changing the world of exalted into a giant archipelago and have your circle of solars competing against all the other returned solars (and infernals, and abysals, and lunars etc) to get the mythical One Piece artifact and become Undefeated on the Waves.
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Coming at this from the other direction (mostly exalted, a few One Piece additions).
Make the world mostly water, keep the realm basically as is.
The first Solar Exalted to come back cut a swath across creation as the "Pirate King", before he was captured and executed. As he died he declared he hid his vast riches in "One Piece" at the end of the "grand line", creations most dangerous ocean route. This is rumored to include a very powerful relic from the era of the Solar Deliberative.
Many Solars now dream of claiming this treasure/becoming the new "Pirate King". Many Infernals are tasked with claiming it for the Yozi. Many Gods wish to claim it, etc.
Devil Fruits are relics of the Solars' experimentation in producing exalted of their own. Each one grants the user access to a new charm tree, and the ability to invent charms in it's theme. Control of them is vital to the Dragon-Blooded as they allow them to expand their themes and even grant some charms that can rival Celestial exalts.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
...The more I hear of Chiming Minaret, the more I want to read about her adventures.To be honest; I can't actually remember how the Immaculate Faith works, mainly because Chiming Minaret has been slipping over into this weird monolatrous Danaa'd-conflated-with-Sanceline-thing, that doesn't at all look like the actual Immaculate Faith at all.
And while we're on the subject of heresies against he Immaculate Order: A character concept!
Victorious Swallow, AKA Nellens Menyeti, AKA Melodious Civet, AKA Zsakasi Nyeseti, AKA... you get the picture
The Monk of Many Faces
Core Concept: Reformer/Antipope
Caste: Malefactor, Malfeas favored. (Defiler is also possible, but the gilmyne themes are just too perfect)
Coadjustor: Strong thematic resonance indicates gilmyne blood and/or gilmyne coadjustor. (Coadjustor may or may not be their grandmother by blood, still rather disapproving of their mother's adoption into a Realm minor house)
Introduction:
It is always a celebration when an Itinerant Monk arrives in town, his presence allowing the naming of the young and festivals taking place under her auspicious eye. And yet something seems off. The scripture is delivered with a different focus from the usual monks, there's a new god who needs to be added to the calendar, and this for all new itinerant spends a great deal of time asking after the families, he seems to be far more lenient of heresy. Still, no matter, the Order's business is what it is and if the path to enlightenment and the time in this life is emphasized a little more than duties to the Dragonblooded and the monk spends time on more than just ruins and rowdy gods, that's just a feature of these tumultuous times.
In their youth an weak blooded Dynast from a minor house who failed to exalt and became an itinerant Immaculate monk, The Monk of Many Faces spent years living an eventful life, certainly for a mortal, working on behalf of the Immaculate order. In time his compassion opened his eyes to the failings of the Order and her conviction pushed her to leave them behind her, first as an itinerant monk with a love of travelling and then travelling ever further and wider, until rumor's started to brew that they had left the Order entirely.
Eventually, they encountered failure, and with it a demon. She offered them power and answers and, despairing of other recourse, they took her offer. In that instant, five days long, a star alit within his heart, the fire of the gilmyne grew strong within their veins, and eternity stretched out before her.
Now the Monk is an agent of the Yozi, and Hell's dictates directs their wanderings. Still, even in this employment and with the directions of that coadjustor to follow, He would see the world made whole as it has never been, even in that golden kingdom of his dreams, no matter how many rivers of blood and desolate wastelands she must cross to make it so.
Aesthetics and Themes:
fire and cold black iron/steel, compassion vs conviction, passion vs temperance, base and refined, and life and death, aspected between male and female, respectively. Duality. All things in one. The utopia of the reformer vs the needs of today. The insanity of the visionary. Balancing the tenants and dogma of a religion against what is true and the needs of real people.
Relationships with the Yozi and the Immaculate Philosophy:
The exact nature of the Monk's relationship with the Yozi is up for debate but one fact is not: His pity for them. In their youth, Zsakasi Nyeseti had an encounter with a demon and her summoner, perhaps a sorcerer in primary school who wished to live a quiet life and hide their status, perhaps their own mother.
The actual events don't matter all that much. What does matter is what they were told. In fear of revelation, the sorcerer revealed a truth to them: Just as the path to enlightenment raised beasts to men, men to exalts, and exalts to the likeness of dragons, so too was there an opposite end to the path: Demons, living in a state of perfect despair, drew power from unenlightened suffering, and thus it was to duty of the exalted to both save them from it and oppose their works, so as to ensure that the world did not fall into demonic despair.
It was beautiful, enlightening, the singular truth that inspired them to join the Order... and utter garbage, most likely made up on the spot by a sorcerer looking to get out of trouble. And yet, for the Monk, it has remained true. Did not they, in their time of greatest despair, join the ranks of the Anathema? Does not Malfeas exist as the pinnacle of despair? (equaled only, perhaps, by the torments of the neverborn) Do not the torments and unholyness that the demons inflict stem from that pain?
Just as it defines their relationship with the Yozi so too does this moment define their understanding of the philosophy. Even after learning that it was not, in fact, detailed anywhere within the texts of the Order, she held tight to her belief. It has shown them the truth of just how important it is to make Creation better.
... and maybe it meant there was hope for their own sorry, demonblooded soul.
Gilmyne blooded: While their mother's fire largely burnt away her heritage, a few drops of once strong Gilmyne blood were passed down to her children. It's weak, devoid of any real potency, but it's remnants can be seen if you know what you're looking for. It has long lent the Monk a certain ambiguity, though any sense of fire is more easily ascribed to the blood of Hesiesh that once overpowered it. Upon exalting as a Malefactor, those thin, overshadowed wisps of silver flame were fanned into a shining pillar and what was once manifested as a slight ambiguity and duality, so thin that one might mistake its origin entirely, is now a clearly defined and yet ever-changing dance.
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- Location
- Gladstone, OR
I'm pretty sure resources represents a single source of income. You can have a farm and a gold mine and a line of credit.
You can have multuple influence backgrounds as well, stuff like that.
- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Sorry! We're working on compiling it, but by Storyteller is a Theology student and I'm a Law student, so we don't exactly have much time for that sort of thing, but I desperately want to get it done as well! I can tell you of her current situation, if you desire it though!