Playing fetich roulette is never a good idea. Sometimes it is the least bad idea, but still, the nature of a reformed Primordial is not predictable and there is a good chance that they may be specifically set up to fuck their killer over.

After all, of the known fetich deaths, one of them produced Sacheravell. No one wants another Primordial like that that's an existential threat to the concept of free will.

The real problem with Sachavarell, as I understand it, is that if he's awake then he makes everybody in Creation unstoppably aware that they have no free will. As in, his being awake extends his precognition to everybody in Creation, so that not only are you Fated to trip down a flight of stairs in ten minutes, break your neck and die, but now you know it's going to happen, and that you can't do anything about it because you aren't Fated to.
I think Roadie just meant that 3e has many subtle gameplay problems in addition to being "poorly organized and harder to get a feel for."

Then the Exalted start throwing around Charms and everyone gets a headache from the Looms of Fate getting snarled

Nope. Sacharavell has perfect precognition. Perfect. Everything happens as was foretold. Exactly as was foretold. Forever and ever and ever.

And that's why Lucien, one of Orabilis' souls, works full time to make sure Sacharavell never wakes - and Hell will act to ensure that Lucien is never bound for too long, because they're that scared of his waking.

Assuming I'm remembering this right, it's actually Samsara, the super-Fate that not even the Exalted can break and which nobody can get more than the merest glimpse of because otherwise several important conceits of the gameline shatter into flinders. Which is why Sachaverell waking up is supposed to be an existential Bad End; he can't control Samsara, nobody can, so maybe the inescapable fate that everybody is locked into lasts only three months before an enterprising Lunar fulfills their fate to eat Samsara for second breakfast or whatever and everything goes back to normal, but in the meantime the setting is basically unplayable.

So, to see if I have this straight, little-f-fate is the causality engine of creation that heaven and the sidereals manipulate by nudging events so that everything unfolds as desired. Now, I was always under the impression that the big caveat to this was 'barring large expenditures of Essence' which is why the Exalted can give fate the finger so easily. Are powerful spirits similarly able to defy fate? Whatever the case, when something does defy fate, usually the pattern spiders are able to handle it and incorporate everything properly into reality. When they can't, is when wind becomes trees and up becomes blue and a sidereal has to go sort shit out and this is the majority of what they actually do day-to-day.

Now on another level Sacharevell is uncontrollably aware of Samsara, or super-fate or whatever we're calling it, but Samsara is only locked in for everyone when he's awake. I also remember reading something to the effect that the maidens can glimpse Samsara as well, but they don't like to do it for obvious reasons. Anyway, ignoring philosophical conundrums (how does anyone even know what he does? Wouldn't he have needed to actually be awake at one point for people to figure it out?) what does all this actually get us, in terms of valuable setting material? I'm kind of with Imrix that as much as the Laplace's Demon joke is appropriate given the inspiration for the rest of the yozis the result seems to run counter to a lot of what makes Exalted what it is. If it were more like Hazards interpretation, where only the observer were locked in you could still have the 'precognition is a prison' stories (Captain SNES's Sovereign of Sorrow as one of Sacharevell's third circles? The fetich maybe?) without nullifying the rest of the game.
 
So, to see if I have this straight, little-f-fate is the causality engine of creation that heaven and the sidereals manipulate by nudging events so that everything unfolds as desired. Now, I was always under the impression that the big caveat to this was 'barring large expenditures of Essence' which is why the Exalted can give fate the finger so easily. Are powerful spirits similarly able to defy fate? Whatever the case, when something does defy fate, usually the pattern spiders are able to handle it and incorporate everything properly into reality. When they can't, is when wind becomes trees and up becomes blue and a sidereal has to go sort shit out and this is the majority of what they actually do day-to-day.

Now on another level Sacharevell is uncontrollably aware of Samsara, or super-fate or whatever we're calling it, but Samsara is only locked in for everyone when he's awake. I also remember reading something to the effect that the maidens can glimpse Samsara as well, but they don't like to do it for obvious reasons. Anyway, ignoring philosophical conundrums (how does anyone even know what he does? Wouldn't he have needed to actually be awake at one point for people to figure it out?) what does all this actually get us, in terms of valuable setting material? I'm kind of with Imrix that as much as the Laplace's Demon joke is appropriate given the inspiration for the rest of the yozis the result seems to run counter to a lot of what makes Exalted what it is. If it were more like Hazards interpretation, where only the observer were locked in you could still have the 'precognition is a prison' stories (Captain SNES's Sovereign of Sorrow as one of Sacharevell's third circles? The fetich maybe?) without nullifying the rest of the game.
The thing is, all those long posts people make in this thread about why the Yozis are irrelevant, locked up, and only a threat if you want them to be?

That goes double for Sacharevell. Not only is he imprisoned with the other Yozis, they're actively trying to keep him asleep. The only way he would ever be relevant in any way, shape, or form, is if your ST went "we're going to play a game about trying to prevent him from waking up", or maybe "A PC has a 'good ideaTM​' involving him".

He isn't a problem unless you make him one. You can literally just read about him, think 'hey that sounds neat' and then promptly forget all about him.
 
I'll admit that I'm not sure what to do with Sachaverel, given that he seems written as Something With Which One Does Not Fuck. I mean, I like him in theory, and I appreciate the determinism joke. But any plot I can think of involving him runs into the issue that basically everyone, from Mnemon to Luna to the Ebon Dragon would like him to stay asleep, and could plausibly work together to keep him that way.

That said, I really like the idea of some rather thick Infernal spending a lot of time asleep, then going "hey guiz I started picking up these weird new sleep-based clairvoyance charms, anyone know what's up?" And then being rather confused as everyone - from the sidereal-disguised-as-a-Gilmyne in the corner to the world-body in which he stands going "aw hell nah" and processing to commit violence in his general direction.
 
The Aforementioned plot of some thick Sorcerer summoning his sleep-jailer/warden and then the party being to stop the dumb-ass before he Dooms Us All is probably the best your going to get. That said, an infernal starting to get those kinds of charms and everybody freaking out would be kind of interesting.
 
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"hey ten maybe you should be more concise this time"
"say no more"

Karalis, the Amniotic Dragon
Demon of the Third Circle
Fourth Soul of the Sphere of Speech


Pity Elloge, that poor monster: war was not kind to He Who Bleeds the Unknown Word and peace was not kind to her. Her fetich slaughtered. Her hidden heart ripped from her breast and dashed across the unfeeling stones. Her ruined remnants reforming just in time to kneel and kiss the feet of the Unconquered Sun. Just in time to offer up another of her raw, trembling souls, freshly fashioned and still blinking in the light. Perhaps that is why so few of her Third Circles can be found now. Tender fear and gnawing paranoia were their birthright, scalding ichor their mother's milk. Perhaps they no longer trust the intentions of their greater self. Or perhaps Elloge has imprisoned them, clasped them close so they may not flee from her and leave her forgotten and forlorn. To be sure not even Orabilis knows the location of her Fetich and unsavory rumors abound.

Regardless, Karalis is comparatively young for a Third Circle. Coalescing concurrently with the Surrender; he had not yet properly hatched when the Yozis were cast into the depths of their king. His first memory is of falling, the first thing he saw was the black basalt ribs of Malfeas rising about him, receding away. And then a heavy, terrible impact. A dreadful blow that cracked and shattered his caul; leaving him to drift out, weeping and twitching and steaming in the bloody bone-highlands of his mother. Of his greater self. His wings weak and trembling, his hindlegs still tangled in slick shroud of his yolk-sack. With a cry he retreated from the pain into the wreckage of his great shell. Hiding his face from the furious green light. There he lays still, shrouded in pleasant, cool darkness and warmed by currents of ichor.

Alas, like the fast-flowing streams of Elloge he is rarely content to remain static. Rather his nature is cyclic. Season by season he gathers the shattered shards of his shell about him. Amusing himself by fashioning castles and palaces from the vast ruins. Carving his thoughts on the underside. Listening eagerly to the tales his loyal Second Circles bring to him of Malfeas-without and using the scraps to construct a storybook shadow-kingdom within the vastness of his thoughts. He envisions himself a hero, a scoundrel, a lover, a hunter. A follower and friend, a dearest companion to all his elder kin. He fattens himself on archetypes. Fills his yolk-sack with possibilities. Tighter and tighter he draws his shell about him. Few see him in this period, catching only a glimpse of vast, black and red eyes. Ivory claws and slick, scarlet flesh.

Tension builds until, at last, he can bear the denial no longer. Furious passion for the world outside his walls overcomes him and he explodes forth from his membrane. Hatching in a storm of blood and a hail of ivory shell. Here he is as he might have been, as he, perhaps, still could be. A towering leviathan of a dragon. His body armored by shining bone; his strong limbs strung with raw, red musculature. Vast tapestries trail from his shoulders like a cloak, bloody banners fluttering in the wake of his four powerful wings. Madly he bounds throughout the Demon City. Dancing wildly as he flits from layer to layer, his tapestries snapping behind him. Proudly he roars out his thoughts. Venting his story in a whirlwind of red. Reshaping the city as he passes, imposing his will upon the world as an Unquestioned ought. His footsteps pool with blood, shed thoughts rising from their depths. Scabbing over into new structures, oddities, and beloved blasphemies; the fruits of his dreaming. He proceeds with abandon. Caring only for the fervor, the lust for life in his belly. Eyes only for the dawning insight that draws near.

But it cannot last.

Karalis's dance pales in comparison to the least toss of the Black Boar's head and yet it is a calamity all the same. Local lords spring to war over the anomalies he leaves in his wake. Fortifications are leveled by his passage. Entire boroughs shattered. At times it is another Third Circle who takes him to task. Rebuffing him with harsh words and pointed weapons. A painful realization for a creature who desires little more than to be a part of their adventures, a portion of their world. Other times he simply...burns out. The manic fire dying away as he catches a glimpse of his reflection in Szoreny's woods or mistimes his next dance-step. Then he retreats. Withdrawing from the world, pulling in upon himself. Cursing Malfeas and himself as he slinks back to his lands and draws his egg tight about himself once more.

Notes and Abilities: Karalis was summoned now and then during the height of the First Age when indulgence ruled and decadence held sway. On command he would dance his visions into existence, sowing the land with strange energies; generating demesnes where he strode. A mesa of glistening red rock, crowned in spike-like stone formations that hummed with the tremors below. Vast, crystalline fins that slit the wind, raising themselves and respiring as currents shifted. A forest fused into a single scarlet tree, a lake with an inverted castle below, and other such things. Heaven's ire was immense but the Deliberative adored the novelty.

It is a closely held secret but at times the Amniotic Dragon slips free from his shell-home. Adopting the form of a well bred, broad-shouldered Dynast with a soft belly and embroidered red scarves hanging from his shoulders. Thusly he explores the lands of his souls and of his neighbors besides. Soaking in the voyeuristic thrill. In this time he will steal treasures, buildings, and loyal servants if he can. Fusing them with the meta of his tapestries so that he may recall and examine them later. Using the gathered inspiration to fuel his tentative imaginings.

Karalis may escape into Creation when a starving author eats his work. Rending pages with his teeth and soaking the paper with his blood and dark bile. Contrary to all expectation he has actually broken free of Malfeas twice before. Both the result of genuine accident.

Karalis and the Althing: With many of Elloge's souls either inaccessible or too damaged to be helpful, Karalis has taken it upon himself to serve as the de facto "president" of the Ellogean faction of the Reclamation. His proclamations have been duly disregarded or ignored but the fact remains that he is among the more active and reliable representatives of the Yozi. Willing to offer loyal Infernals sanctuary and support and his own geomantic expertise. He regularly fantasizes about attaining the rank of true peer within the endeavor's unofficial hierarchy. Gathering Infernals to his service is a crucial component of this plan.



Krähex, Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet
Demon of the Second Circle
Expressive Soul of the Amniotic Dragon


It is in the nature of the Ellogean to slink away. Secreting themselves in hidden places. Covering up their ugliness, their wet, hollow hearts, with shadow and style and obfuscation. Krähex disdains such feeble displays. Indeed they much preferring to press their palm to the wound until it sings. Until the agony brings a crystalline clarity of thought. Of purpose. Other demons may shun the crowd or hide behind scabrous masks and clotted facades but not they! They will bask beneath the spotlight and they will relish it. Gorging on attention. Becoming drunk on adoration. For what is art without a little suffering? It is a thousand times better to be judged than forgotten.

The domain of the Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet may be seen from leagues away and heard as well. Colored lights shine and raucous music throbs, stirring the heart to passion, kindling bravery in the brain. Sweet and savory scents carry on the wind, luring the hungry (and there is always hungry in the Demon City). Draw closer and see it. The wooden stands and the massive pavilions, the magnificent stages and the cushioned dens. The Carnival Cordis is Krähex's traveling fair. Their precious circus. Loud and brash and bold, garish displays and works of genuine art jostling for space in the eye and mind. The air thick with misty-pink stories. It is orderly chaos and overwhelming sensation. It is classy debauchery and an obscene parody of elegance. It is everything except subtle. Krähex is the ringmaster of the whole affair. Manifesting at times as a finely dressed crow-creature, feathers glossy wet and face hidden behind a bone mask. Adopting on others the appearance of a crow-headed mantis the size of Yeddim, with a statuesque human fused into the core; neck and joints merging with the monstrous portions. On still others they appear as an androgynous denizen of the North-East, clad in sleek, glamorous garb that, upon closer inspection is fashioned entirely from blood and feathers.

Admittance to the Carnival is not free, a fine story, a heartfelt performance, a term of service or a splendid trinket is the usual fee (even demons have operating costs); but neither is it coerced. Not for magnanimous reasons understand, rather Krähex's ego cannot abide the idea of a captive audience. Their cries and love and jeers must be offered of their own volition. Anything that seeks merely to soothe wounds offers a grave insult and Krähex has staked the remains of such well-meaning critics by the main gates. The Seneschal would treasure a single cruel word over a hundred simpering compliments any day of any season. While they maintain no armies the size of the Carnival expands and contracts like the thudding of an overlarge heart and, at any given point, dozens of thousands of demons may be within the fairs bounds. Intoxicated, liberated, and incredibly determined to enjoy themselves. To say nothing of the well paid mercenary complements.

Notes and Abilities: Krähex gathers strange artifacts and strong laborers from across two worlds. A showman par excellence, they are always searching for something new to shock and delight their audiences and can be dealt with diplomatically or (more profitably) economically. Unscrupulous Guildsmen have made a fine fortune through the sale of slaves and oddities to the demon. They are, if nothing else, a possible source of Malfean luxuries within creation. Sorcerers summon Krähex for the same reason that their kin in the Demon City offers patronage: entertainment. An opiate for the crushing, grinding despair that haunts daily life within the bowels of Malfeas. Such magicians should be wary and mind the audience. Krähex will attempt to carry orphaned children and newly married couples below if given a chance.

The Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet may escape into Creation when a traveling fair is destroyed, dispersed, or otherwise violently waylaid on the road. They will arrive the night the original performers were due to give a performance of their own. Even the most thrifty governors are advised to pay when the final curtains fall. For not doing so frees Krähex to extract their tribute from the land itself.
 
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I have a rule question regarding two infernal Exalted charms from 2nd Edition. Is it possible to use Spiteful Sea Tincture on Mind Hand Manipulation? Would this require an additional charm or can it be done using only the two basic charms?
 
I have a rule question regarding two infernal Exalted charms from 2nd Edition. Is it possible to use Spiteful Sea Tincture on Mind Hand Manipulation? Would this require an additional charm or can it be done using only the two basic charms?
You could if you were using MHM to wield a weapon poisoned by SST. However, SST needs a physical medium to transmit poisons, so using Mind Hand to do telekinetic attacks with it wouldn't work.
 
as apocalyptic as Sachaverell.

Can I just say I'm tickled pink by the fact that apocalypse literally mean 'revelation' and also has come to mean 'end of the world' and how brilliant Moran and Grabowski were when they came up with this shit?

Anyway, on to the topic at hand:

Basically something to keep in mind about Samsara, Sachaverell and the Maidens is that it didn't exist until they made Creation. The Maidens literally popped into being the moment the Loom of Fate was made out of, for all intents and purposes, absolutely nothing at all. The Primordials don't quite have any idea who came up with the idea of them or why they existed. They were just a sort of happy accident.

Samsara is basically the declaration that the Primordials made Creation more than them. They created a place to dominate all existence and possibilities and they thought they were exempt because they made it but it turned out not to be so. The ultimate proof of this was the Exalted, who showed up and ruined their shit despite being third degree removed from Primordial might. It even shows that the reason Autocthon was able to make them rather than anyone else, because he's the Primordial who goes around sticking things together to see what happens and he just happened to luck upon the thing capable of killing the beings who made damn sure nothing else could kill them.

In this respect, Sachaverell represents that ultimate loss. His waking up would show, to everyone, the same horrible power that the raksha first witnessed when Creation came into being. The Primordials made a place that ultimately makes every story ever told about it, and then discovered they weren't the heroes of that story. One day, maybe the Exalts will find that out to. Best to let sleeping Yozi lie.
 
Can I just say I'm tickled pink by the fact that apocalypse literally mean 'revelation' and also has come to mean 'end of the world' and how brilliant Moran and Grabowski were when they came up with this shit?

Anyway, on to the topic at hand:

Basically something to keep in mind about Samsara, Sachaverell and the Maidens is that it didn't exist until they made Creation. The Maidens literally popped into being the moment the Loom of Fate was made out of, for all intents and purposes, absolutely nothing at all. The Primordials don't quite have any idea who came up with the idea of them or why they existed. They were just a sort of happy accident.

Samsara is basically the declaration that the Primordials made Creation more than them. They created a place to dominate all existence and possibilities and they thought they were exempt because they made it but it turned out not to be so. The ultimate proof of this was the Exalted, who showed up and ruined their shit despite being third degree removed from Primordial might. It even shows that the reason Autocthon was able to make them rather than anyone else, because he's the Primordial who goes around sticking things together to see what happens and he just happened to luck upon the thing capable of killing the beings who made damn sure nothing else could kill them.

In this respect, Sachaverell represents that ultimate loss. His waking up would show, to everyone, the same horrible power that the raksha first witnessed when Creation came into being. The Primordials made a place that ultimately makes every story ever told about it, and then discovered they weren't the heroes of that story. One day, maybe the Exalts will find that out to. Best to let sleeping Yozi lie.
Which always puzzled me.

the Primordials made the unconquered sun. Creation. The humans.

How is it they were killed by the exalted? That doesn't seem to make sense. Why didn't they just exterminate the human race, or lock up the exaltations somewhere?
 
Which always puzzled me.

the Primordials made the unconquered sun. Creation. The humans.

How is it they were killed by the exalted? That doesn't seem to make sense. Why didn't they just exterminate the human race, or lock up the exaltations somewhere?
Humanity had a lot of protectors during the war, and Exaltations are incredibly difficult to lock up by design. So they couldn't.
 
Which always puzzled me.

the Primordials made the unconquered sun. Creation. The humans.

How is it they were killed by the exalted? That doesn't seem to make sense. Why didn't they just exterminate the human race, or lock up the exaltations somewhere?
They tried.
It didn't work.
It was called the Primordial War, and was kind of a big deal.
 
What exactly do you mean by this?
The first is fairly simple just from knowledge of SWLiHN. She creates and enforces the hierarchy, which tends to involve rather Brave New World-ish type stuff. The Exalted would probably not have been in favor of this at the time. Hence...

The other is presumably a reference to the Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
Which always puzzled me.

the Primordials made the unconquered sun. Creation. The humans.

How is it they were killed by the exalted? That doesn't seem to make sense. Why didn't they just exterminate the human race, or lock up the exaltations somewhere?

Creating something is not the same as being able to beat it.

The thing is that the Primordial war is vaguely described (I don't know if this is intentional), so we don't know what happened or how it played out.

I think one of the reasons they lost is they weren't prepared for war. I'd say it wasn't really a direct battle.
Possibly that they surrendered hastily.
 
Creating something is not the same as being able to beat it.

The thing is that the Primordial war is vaguely described (I don't know if this is intentional), so we don't know what happened or how it played out.

I think one of the reasons they lost is they weren't prepared for war. I'd say it wasn't really a direct battle.
Possibly that they surrendered hastily.
Maybe the deaths of the others was so horrible for beings that were functionally immortal and unkillable, that morale plummeted?
 
@TenfoldShields
1) I choose to believe there are many Princess Tutu references there
2) I am so asking my ST to let that 3CD feature in our game holy shit.
 
The first is fairly simple just from knowledge of SWLiHN. She creates and enforces the hierarchy, which tends to involve rather Brave New World-ish type stuff. The Exalted would probably not have been in favor of this at the time. Hence...

The other is presumably a reference to the Prisoner's Dilemma.
I thought she would be willing to serve a hierarchy that wasn't hers as long as she had a place in it.
Put her in a position with no real way to do damage and she would be fine.

Sort of like what happened to the monkey king and the Stables in journey to the west (though hopefully without being irritated at the job they were given).

Maybe the deaths of the others was so horrible for beings that were functionally immortal and unkillable, that morale plummeted?
I guess that s possible.
 
Maybe the deaths of the others was so horrible for beings that were functionally immortal and unkillable, that morale plummeted?

IIRC, this is actually canon- the knowledge that the Exalted could kill them permanently, to a degree even worse than Fetich death, is a bit part of why the remaining Primordials- including fucking Theion- surrendered.
 
So I was looking at some of the art from Exalted, and I have a question:




Why would the Mouth of Peace regard ...... "enjoying" the immaculate scriptures as a holy thing?
 
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"hey nick maybe you should be more concise this time"
"say no more"

Karalis, the Amniotic Dragon
Demon of the Third Circle
Fourth Soul of the Sphere of Speech


Pity Elloge, that poor monster: war was not kind to He Who Bleeds the Unknown Word and peace was not kind to her. Her fetich slaughtered. Her hidden heart ripped from her breast and dashed across the unfeeling stones. Her ruined remnants reforming just in time to kneel and kiss the feet of the Unconquered Sun. Just in time to offer up another of her raw, trembling souls, freshly fashioned and still blinking in the light. Perhaps that is why so few of her Third Circles can be found now. Tender fear and gnawing paranoia were their birthright, scalding ichor their mother's milk. Perhaps they no longer trust the intentions of their greater self. Or perhaps Elloge has imprisoned them, clasped them close so they may not flee from her and leave her forgotten and forlorn. To be sure not even Orabilis knows the location of her Fetich and unsavory rumors abound.

Regardless, Karalis is comparatively young for a Third Circle. Coalescing concurrently with the Surrender; he had not yet properly hatched when the Yozis were cast into the depths of their king. His first memory is of falling, the first thing he saw was the black basalt ribs of Malfeas rising about him, receding away. And then a heavy, terrible impact. A dreadful blow that cracked and shattered his caul; leaving him to drift out, weeping and twitching and steaming in the bloody bone-highlands of his mother. Of his greater self. His wings weak and trembling, his hindlegs still tangled in slick shroud of his yolk-sack. With a cry he retreated from the pain into the wreckage of his great shell. Hiding his face from the furious green light. There he lays still, shrouded in pleasant, cool darkness and warmed by currents of ichor.

Alas, like the fast-flowing streams of Elloge he is rarely content to remain static. Rather his nature is cyclic. Season by season he gathers the shattered shards of his shell about him. Amusing himself by fashioning castles and palaces from the vast ruins. Carving his thoughts on the underside. Listening eagerly to the tales his loyal Second Circles bring to him of Malfeas-without and using the scraps to construct a storybook shadow-kingdom within the vastness of his thoughts. He envisions himself a hero, a scoundrel, a lover, a hunter. A follower and friend, a dearest companion to all his elder kin. He fattens himself on archetypes. Fills his yolk-sack with possibilities. Tighter and tighter he draws his shell about him. Few see him in this period, catching only a glimpse of vast, black and red eyes. Ivory claws and slick, scarlet flesh.

Tension builds until, at last, he can bear the denial no longer. Furious passion for the world outside his walls overcomes him and he explodes forth from his membrane. Hatching in a storm of blood and a hail of ivory shell. Here he is as he might have been, as he, perhaps, still could be. A towering leviathan of a dragon. His body armored by shining bone; his strong limbs strung with raw, red musculature. Vast tapestries trail from his shoulders like a cloak, bloody banners fluttering in the wake of his four powerful wings. Madly he bounds throughout the Demon City. Dancing wildly as he flits from layer to layer, his tapestries snapping behind him. Proudly he roars out his thoughts. Venting his story in a whirlwind of red. Reshaping the city as he passes, imposing his will upon the world as an Unquestioned ought. His footsteps pool with blood, shed thoughts rising from their depths. Scabbing over into new structures, oddities, and beloved blasphemies; the fruits of his dreaming. He proceeds with abandon. Caring only for the fervor, the lust for life in his belly. Eyes only for the dawning insight that draws near.

But it cannot last.

Karalis's dance pales in comparison to the least toss of the Black Boar's head and yet it is a calamity all the same. Local lords spring to war over the anomalies he leaves in his wake. Fortifications are leveled by his passage. Entire boroughs shattered. At times it is another Third Circle who takes him to task. Rebuffing him with harsh words and pointed weapons. A painful realization for a creature who desires little more than to be a part of their adventures, a portion of their world. Other times he simply...burns out. The manic fire dying away as he catches a glimpse of his reflection in Szoreny's woods or mistimes his next dance-step. Then he retreats. Withdrawing from the world, pulling in upon himself. Cursing Malfeas and himself as he slinks back to his lands and draws his egg tight about himself once more.

Notes and Abilities: Karalis was summoned now and then during the height of the First Age when indulgence ruled and decadence held sway. On command he would dance his visions into existence, sowing the land with strange energies; generating demesnes where he strode. A mesa of glistening red rock, crowned in spike-like stone formations that hummed with the tremors below. Vast, crystalline fins that slit the wind, raising themselves and respiring as currents shifted. A forest fused into a single scarlet tree, a lake with an inverted castle below, and other such things. Heaven's ire was immense but the Deliberative adored the novelty.

It is a closely held secret but at times the Amniotic Dragon slips free from his shell-home. Adopting the form of a well bred, broad-shouldered Dynast with a soft belly and embroidered red scarves hanging from his shoulders. Thusly he explores the lands of his souls and of his neighbors besides. Soaking in the voyeuristic thrill. In this time he will steal treasures, buildings, and loyal servants if he can. Fusing them with the meta of his tapestries so that he may recall and examine them later. Using the gathered inspiration to fuel his tentative imaginings.

Karalis may escape into Creation when a starving author eats his work. Rending pages with his teeth and soaking the paper with his blood and dark bile. Contrary to all expectation he has actually broken free of Malfeas twice before. Both the result of genuine accident.

Karalis and the Althing: With many of Elloge's souls either inaccessible or too damaged to be helpful, Karalis has taken it upon himself to serve as the de facto "president" of the Ellogean faction of the Reclamation. His proclamations have been duly disregarded or ignored but the fact remains that he is among the more active and reliable representatives of the Yozi. Willing to offer loyal Infernals sanctuary and support and his own geomantic expertise. He regularly fantasizes about attaining the rank of true peer within the endeavor's unofficial hierarchy. Gathering Infernals to his service is a crucial component of this plan.



Krähex, Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet
Demon of the Second Circle
Expressive Soul of the Amniotic Dragon


It is in the nature of the Ellogean to slink away. Secreting themselves in hidden places. Covering up their ugliness, their wet, hollow hearts, with shadow and style and obfuscation. Krähex disdains such feeble displays. Indeed they much preferring to press their palm to the wound until it sings. Until the agony brings a crystalline clarity of thought. Of purpose. Other demons may shun the crowd or hide behind scabrous masks and clotted facades but not they! They will bask beneath the spotlight and they will relish it. Gorging on attention. Becoming drunk on adoration. For what is art without a little suffering? It is a thousand times better to be judged than forgotten.

The domain of the Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet may be seen from leagues away and heard as well. Colored lights shine and raucous music throbs, stirring the heart to passion, kindling bravery in the brain. Sweet and savory scents carry on the wind, luring the hungry (and there is always hungry in the Demon City). Draw closer and see it. The wooden stands and the massive pavilions, the magnificent stages and the cushioned dens. The Carnival Cordis is Krähex's traveling fair. Their precious circus. Loud and brash and bold, garish displays and works of genuine art jostling for space in the eye and mind. The air thick with misty-pink stories. It is orderly chaos and overwhelming sensation. It is classy debauchery and an obscene parody of elegance. It is everything except subtle. Krähex is the ringmaster of the whole affair. Manifesting at times as a finely dressed crow-creature, feathers glossy wet and face hidden behind a bone mask. Adopting on others the appearance of a crow-headed mantis the size of Yeddim, with a statuesque human fused into the core; neck and joints merging with the monstrous portions. On still others they appear as an androgynous denizen of the North-East, clad in sleek, glamorous garb that, upon closer inspection is fashioned entirely from blood and feathers.

Admittance to the Carnival is not free, a fine story, a heartfelt performance, a term of service or a splendid trinket is the usual fee (even demons have operating costs); but neither is it coerced. Not for magnanimous reasons understand, rather Krähex's ego cannot abide the idea of a captive audience. Their cries and love and jeers must be offered of their own volition. Anything that seeks merely to soothe wounds offers a grave insult and Krähex has staked the remains of such well-meaning critics by the main gates. The Seneschal would treasure a single cruel word over a hundred simpering compliments any day of any season. While they maintain no armies the size of the Carnival expands and contracts like the thudding of an overlarge heart and, at any given point, dozens of thousands of demons may be within the fairs bounds. Intoxicated, liberated, and incredibly determined to enjoy themselves. To say nothing of the well paid mercenary complements.

Notes and Abilities: Krähex gathers strange artifacts and strong laborers from across two worlds. A showman par excellence, they are always searching for something new to shock and delight their audiences and can be dealt with diplomatically or (more profitably) economically. Unscrupulous Guildsmen have made a fine fortune through the sale of slaves and oddities to the demon. They are, if nothing else, a possible source of Malfean luxuries within creation. Sorcerers summon Krähex for the same reason that their kin in the Demon City offers patronage: entertainment. An opiate for the crushing, grinding despair that haunts daily life within the bowels of Malfeas. Such magicians should be wary and mind the audience. Krähex will attempt to carry orphaned children and newly married couples below if given a chance.

The Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet may escape into Creation when a traveling fair is destroyed, dispersed, or otherwise violently waylaid on the road. They will arrive the night the original performers were due to give a performance of their own. Even the most thrifty governors are advised to pay when the final curtains fall. For not doing so frees Krähex to extract their tribute from the land itself.
 
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"hey nick maybe you should be more concise this time"
"say no more"

Karalis, the Amniotic Dragon
Demon of the Third Circle
Fourth Soul of the Sphere of Speech


Pity Elloge, that poor monster: war was not kind to He Who Bleeds the Unknown Word and peace was not kind to her. Her fetich slaughtered. Her hidden heart ripped from her breast and dashed across the unfeeling stones. Her ruined remnants reforming just in time to kneel and kiss the feet of the Unconquered Sun. Just in time to offer up another of her raw, trembling souls, freshly fashioned and still blinking in the light. Perhaps that is why so few of her Third Circles can be found now. Tender fear and gnawing paranoia were their birthright, scalding ichor their mother's milk. Perhaps they no longer trust the intentions of their greater self. Or perhaps Elloge has imprisoned them, clasped them close so they may not flee from her and leave her forgotten and forlorn. To be sure not even Orabilis knows the location of her Fetich and unsavory rumors abound.

Regardless, Karalis is comparatively young for a Third Circle. Coalescing concurrently with the Surrender; he had not yet properly hatched when the Yozis were cast into the depths of their king. His first memory is of falling, the first thing he saw was the black basalt ribs of Malfeas rising about him, receding away. And then a heavy, terrible impact. A dreadful blow that cracked and shattered his caul; leaving him to drift out, weeping and twitching and steaming in the bloody bone-highlands of his mother. Of his greater self. His wings weak and trembling, his hindlegs still tangled in slick shroud of his yolk-sack. With a cry he retreated from the pain into the wreckage of his great shell. Hiding his face from the furious green light. There he lays still, shrouded in pleasant, cool darkness and warmed by currents of ichor.

Alas, like the fast-flowing streams of Elloge he is rarely content to remain static. Rather his nature is cyclic. Season by season he gathers the shattered shards of his shell about him. Amusing himself by fashioning castles and palaces from the vast ruins. Carving his thoughts on the underside. Listening eagerly to the tales his loyal Second Circles bring to him of Malfeas-without and using the scraps to construct a storybook shadow-kingdom within the vastness of his thoughts. He envisions himself a hero, a scoundrel, a lover, a hunter. A follower and friend, a dearest companion to all his elder kin. He fattens himself on archetypes. Fills his yolk-sack with possibilities. Tighter and tighter he draws his shell about him. Few see him in this period, catching only a glimpse of vast, black and red eyes. Ivory claws and slick, scarlet flesh.

Tension builds until, at last, he can bear the denial no longer. Furious passion for the world outside his walls overcomes him and he explodes forth from his membrane. Hatching in a storm of blood and a hail of ivory shell. Here he is as he might have been, as he, perhaps, still could be. A towering leviathan of a dragon. His body armored by shining bone; his strong limbs strung with raw, red musculature. Vast tapestries trail from his shoulders like a cloak, bloody banners fluttering in the wake of his four powerful wings. Madly he bounds throughout the Demon City. Dancing wildly as he flits from layer to layer, his tapestries snapping behind him. Proudly he roars out his thoughts. Venting his story in a whirlwind of red. Reshaping the city as he passes, imposing his will upon the world as an Unquestioned ought. His footsteps pool with blood, shed thoughts rising from their depths. Scabbing over into new structures, oddities, and beloved blasphemies; the fruits of his dreaming. He proceeds with abandon. Caring only for the fervor, the lust for life in his belly. Eyes only for the dawning insight that draws near.

But it cannot last.

Karalis's dance pales in comparison to the least toss of the Black Boar's head and yet it is a calamity all the same. Local lords spring to war over the anomalies he leaves in his wake. Fortifications are leveled by his passage. Entire boroughs shattered. At times it is another Third Circle who takes him to task. Rebuffing him with harsh words and pointed weapons. A painful realization for a creature who desires little more than to be a part of their adventures, a portion of their world. Other times he simply...burns out. The manic fire dying away as he catches a glimpse of his reflection in Szoreny's woods or mistimes his next dance-step. Then he retreats. Withdrawing from the world, pulling in upon himself. Cursing Malfeas and himself as he slinks back to his lands and draws his egg tight about himself once more.

Notes and Abilities: Karalis was summoned now and then during the height of the First Age when indulgence ruled and decadence held sway. On command he would dance his visions into existence, sowing the land with strange energies; generating demesnes where he strode. A mesa of glistening red rock, crowned in spike-like stone formations that hummed with the tremors below. Vast, crystalline fins that slit the wind, raising themselves and respiring as currents shifted. A forest fused into a single scarlet tree, a lake with an inverted castle below, and other such things. Heaven's ire was immense but the Deliberative adored the novelty.

It is a closely held secret but at times the Amniotic Dragon slips free from his shell-home. Adopting the form of a well bred, broad-shouldered Dynast with a soft belly and embroidered red scarves hanging from his shoulders. Thusly he explores the lands of his souls and of his neighbors besides. Soaking in the voyeuristic thrill. In this time he will steal treasures, buildings, and loyal servants if he can. Fusing them with the meta of his tapestries so that he may recall and examine them later. Using the gathered inspiration to fuel his tentative imaginings.

Karalis may escape into Creation when a starving author eats his work. Rending pages with his teeth and soaking the paper with his blood and dark bile. Contrary to all expectation he has actually broken free of Malfeas twice before. Both the result of genuine accident.

Karalis and the Althing: With many of Elloge's souls either inaccessible or too damaged to be helpful, Karalis has taken it upon himself to serve as the de facto "president" of the Ellogean faction of the Reclamation. His proclamations have been duly disregarded or ignored but the fact remains that he is among the more active and reliable representatives of the Yozi. Willing to offer loyal Infernals sanctuary and support and his own geomantic expertise. He regularly fantasizes about attaining the rank of true peer within the endeavor's unofficial hierarchy. Gathering Infernals to his service is a crucial component of this plan.
i luff it

I kind of imagine him pulling an Oz the Great and Powerful whenever anyone enters his shell while he's recuperating. Shadows flexing powerfully on the walls as a lightshow of bright red flames accompanies a booming voice carried by the shell-manse's strange acoustics.

Krähex, Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet
Demon of the Second Circle
Expressive Soul of the Amniotic Dragon


It is in the nature of the Ellogean to slink away. Secreting themselves in hidden places. Covering up their ugliness, their wet, hollow hearts, with shadow and style and obfuscation. Krähex disdains such feeble displays. Indeed they much preferring to press their palm to the wound until it sings. Until the agony brings a crystalline clarity of thought. Of purpose. Other demons may shun the crowd or hide behind scabrous masks and clotted facades but not they! They will bask beneath the spotlight and they will relish it. Gorging on attention. Becoming drunk on adoration. For what is art without a little suffering? It is a thousand times better to be judged than forgotten.

The domain of the Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet may be seen from leagues away and heard as well. Colored lights shine and raucous music throbs, stirring the heart to passion, kindling bravery in the brain. Sweet and savory scents carry on the wind, luring the hungry (and there is always hungry in the Demon City). Draw closer and see it. The wooden stands and the massive pavilions, the magnificent stages and the cushioned dens. The Carnival Cordis is Krähex's traveling fair. Their precious circus. Loud and brash and bold, garish displays and works of genuine art jostling for space in the eye and mind. The air thick with misty-pink stories. It is orderly chaos and overwhelming sensation. It is classy debauchery and an obscene parody of elegance. It is everything except subtle. Krähex is the ringmaster of the whole affair. Manifesting at times as a finely dressed crow-creature, feathers glossy wet and face hidden behind a bone mask. Adopting on others the appearance of a crow-headed mantis the size of Yeddim, with a statuesque human fused into the core; neck and joints merging with the monstrous portions. On still others they appear as an androgynous denizen of the North-East, clad in sleek, glamorous garb that, upon closer inspection is fashioned entirely from blood and feathers.

Admittance to the Carnival is not free, a fine story, a heartfelt performance, a term of service or a splendid trinket is the usual fee (even demons have operating costs); but neither is it coerced. Not for magnanimous reasons understand, rather Krähex's ego cannot abide the idea of a captive audience. Their cries and love and jeers must be offered of their own volition. Anything that seeks merely to soothe wounds offers a grave insult and Krähex has staked the remains of such well-meaning critics by the main gates. The Seneschal would treasure a single cruel word over a hundred simpering compliments any day of any season. While they maintain no armies the size of the Carnival expands and contracts like the thudding of an overlarge heart and, at any given point, dozens of thousands of demons may be within the fairs bounds. Intoxicated, liberated, and incredibly determined to enjoy themselves. To say nothing of the well paid mercenary complements.

Notes and Abilities: Krähex gathers strange artifacts and strong laborers from across two worlds. A showman par excellence, they are always searching for something new to shock and delight their audiences and can be dealt with diplomatically or (more profitably) economically. Unscrupulous Guildsmen have made a fine fortune through the sale of slaves and oddities to the demon. They are, if nothing else, a possible source of Malfean luxuries within creation. Sorcerers summon Krähex for the same reason that their kin in the Demon City offers patronage: entertainment. An opiate for the crushing, grinding despair that haunts daily life within the bowels of Malfeas. Such magicians should be wary and mind the audience. Krähex will attempt to carry orphaned children and newly married couples below if given a chance.

The Seneschal in Sable and Scarlet may escape into Creation when a traveling fair is destroyed, dispersed, or otherwise violently waylaid on the road. They will arrive the night the original performers were due to give a performance of their own. Even the most thrifty governors are advised to pay when the final curtains fall. For not doing so frees Krähex to extract their tribute from the land itself.
Presumably he retains an undersized anuhle familiar with a powerfully venomous bite.
 
Why would the Mouth of Peace regard ...... "enjoying" the immaculate scriptures as a holy thing?
Because the Mouth of Peace derives all her decrees not by canon or writ of the Immaculate Order, but as they are dictated to her via the Sidereal host. She is literally a mouthpiece (geddit) for their interests backing the Empire, and the Sidereal Exalted don't especially care whose credibility is damaged, or about the sanctity of the scriptures, they want any matters calling into question the capability of its rulership (even someone like the Regent) hushed up and downplayed as quickly as possible so that the stability of the Realm is assured for the next couple months before the next fresh scandal.

I've made posts earlier about how Dragonblooded are intended to eventually uncover how much of the Order is built atop Sidereal manipulations and deceit, so they can rethink their lives and the beliefs that brought them to think they were the sole, imperious Princes of the Earth. When effectively the Pope of their whole religion goes well out of her way to not only pardon, but spiritually-validate, the actions of a man seen by many to be a stooge and a joke, its one of those signs which shows the unseen cracks in the system and makes knowledgeable people ask "just what the hell is going on here?"
 
Okay, so I'm making Solar Brawler for 3E, and I want some kind of smashfist/gauntlet artifact. Unfortunately, the Corebook is rather sparse for MA artifact, and most homebrew available seems to favor Melee/Ranged weapons. Any idea?
 
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