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EarthScorpion said:
But it's not - that's the thing. Every single time a 1CD escapes into Creation, it has to be registered into the Loom. Every single time a Raksha takes shape and spends an extended period of time in Creation, it has to be registered into the Loom. Every time someone spends an extended period outside the Loom and returns to Creation, they have to be re-registered. Every time a ghost spends extended periods in Creation, it has to be registered. And so on. The number of creatures who can't be absorbed by the Loom is very slim.

"The Loom of Fate absorbing new beings and assigning them a Fate" is a very frequent function of it, and critical to its operation because it allows it to accommodate the existence of outsiders. It's not a sinecure office because it's a super-important core function. Indeed, they're a god so important that they're probably on speaking terms with the Maidens and could get an appointment to see one quickly if they were reporting a defect in this functionality, because the Maidens really don't want to have to manually add new beings.
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Huh. Righteo, revising now.
 
EarthScorpion said:
The number of creatures who can't be absorbed by the Loom is very slim.
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That list being:
  • Infernal Exalted (who usually handle it themselves through Loom-Snarling Deception)
  • Third and Second Circle Demons (who I rule as being automatically worked into Fate upon being successfully bound)
  • Deathlords (likely for the same reasons as Third and Second Circle Demons)
  • Unshaped Raksha (who usually handle it themselves by dying if they spend too long in Creation)

Plus any anomalies like specific behemoths or hekatonkhires, or other Celestials who've invested in Charms that can deliberately and actively take them outside Fate. Abyssals and Sidereals have canonical examples, while Lunars almost certainly do, and at that point it seems weird for Solars not to, though it's likely pretty deep in different trees.

So in total you're looking at up to 700 Celestials (in practice nowhere near that number), plus up to 13 Deathlords (in practice mostly Underworld-bound), plus any Unshaped that haven't yet died in the borderlands like beached whales, plus Third and Second Circle Demons... of whom there are probably about 3000, total (24 Primordials, call it an average of 15 3CDs each, let's say each of them have 7 2CDs, ballpark total of 2520+360), but who in practice cannot enter Creation without the direct and resource-intensive intervention of the aforementioned Celestials.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the number of entities in Creation that were genuinely, categorically outside Fate usually hovered around the single digits.
 
Revlid said:
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the number of entities in Creation that were genuinely, categorically outside Fate usually hovered around the single digits.
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Certainly, Infernals have probably pumped the number up considerably, what with the number who wander around not wearing LSD and the ones who summon unbound 2CDs as favours for them or because they're pals.

(Truly they are really much more nega-Sidereals than nega-Solars)
 
Scia said:
What you could do is have a vestigal office asociated with the 3 big departments Namely Wyld, Yozi, Underworld, and be head of the department for Those cases from , non capital, elsewhere. Likely because it formerly dealt with Zen Mu or so..
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Wouldn't that still leave them responsible for things done by Lunars who were outside fate at the time?
 
beowolf said:
Wouldn't that still leave them responsible for things done by Lunars who were outside fate at the time?
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Well Lunars have been added to the Department of Wyld, and so the budget applied to that can be sidemoved to deal with them now would be one option. While another notes that as they are expected to reintegrate in Creation they are just in a holding pattern and so there is no need to allow the Bureau to use its options to deal with them if they further upset the loom. Which would be a break used by the allies of the Lunars to make it harder to move the Aerial Legion against them.
 
The office of Accounting for Third Circle Activity in Creation is going to be a pretty important, senior and well-paid post that's seen very little activity until very recently - Third Circle escape conditions are pretty niche, and don't come up much (they're also usually time-limited so that the demon can't do much).
 
Bursting Eagerness Soul said:
What book is that from? I don't remember it being a thing, but I haven't done a good readthrough in a while.
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I think it's mostly mentioned in the individual write up.

Off the top of my head Ligier's is "When a mortal queen seizes her throne by bloody revolt,* when a mortal prince leads armies against the Exalted, when a master smith makes the final stroke on a masterwork of brass, at either sunrise or sunset" and he can stay until the either rises or sets completely.



*I'm pretty sure its by bloody revolt. Might just be "against strong protest." Either way, I find it amusing that Ligier's escape clauses basically boil down to "A mortal does something badass and/or stupid enough that the Prince of Hell himself shows up to give props and maybe a helping hand."
 
Nervaqus987 said:
*I'm pretty sure its by bloody revolt. Might just be "against strong protest." Either way, I find it amusing that Ligier's escape clauses basically boil down to "A mortal does something badass and/or stupid enough that the Prince of Hell himself shows up to give props and maybe a helping hand."
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Makes me wonder how often a fresh Solar has had Ligier just show up to give them a hand.

Prooobably gives the Immaculate Order a lot of circumstantial evidence of collusion, too.
 
Never. Because, you know. "Mortal".

Hmm. Though actually, it's "a smith performing the masterstrokes of a perfect work of brass, a mortal prince leading his army against Exalted foes, or a blindingly beautiful queen seizing control of a court while unwed". So possibly a few.
 
Aleph said:
The office of Accounting for Third Circle Activity in Creation is going to be a pretty important, senior and well-paid post that's seen very little activity until very recently - Third Circle escape conditions are pretty niche, and don't come up much (they're also usually time-limited so that the demon can't do much).
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Department of Secrets, probably.
 
Kuciwalker said:
Makes me wonder if any Solar's moment of Exaltation hasn't been them fulfilling a 3CD release condition, but rather dealing with the released 3CD.
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"And that my dear child is how I met your mother/father. Also why I keep them away from Creation for your yearly visit."

Thank goodness for golden children having primacy over demonblood.


Although I might be wrong when 3cd areinvolved
 
Revlid said:
Abyssals and Sidereals have canonical examples, while Lunars almost certainly do, and at that point it seems weird for Solars not to, though it's likely pretty deep in different trees.
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Personally, while there may be Sorcery to do so, I think taking you Outside Fate is something Solar Charms should be incapable of- Abyssals can justify it, Sidereals are blatantly obvious, and Lunars...

I'd say TAW Lunars certainly have the capacity to do so, I'm slightly less certain whether canon Lunars should as part of their own Charms.
 
Psst.

It's that time again~

A double feature since I've been late. ^_^;
18:37 rookaway Now then.
18:38 rookaway Keris is the ow until the world stops being so loud
18:38 Aleph :(
18:38 rookaway "THE FUCK WAS THAT" how eloquent of you
18:38 Aleph :p
18:39 rookaway Dulmea doesn't know what the fuck's going on
18:39 rookaway Good
18:39 rookaway I don't either
18:39 Aleph She's never been to Creation before~
18:39 Aleph Unlike Marisalon.
18:39 Aleph The perils of only buying Coadjutor 4.
18:39 Aleph :V
18:39 rookaway hee Keris blushing
18:39 rookaway Dulmea is best daemonmum
18:40 rookaway ... interesting.
18:40 rookaway And onward we go!
18:41 rookaway "Deeper than the ocean off the coast of An Teng." oh wow
18:41 rookaway "Keris allows herself the indulgence of a flip, shooting out of the water and arcing a body-length and a half into the air; a brief scarlet flicker in the gathering dusk that falls back down and plunges into the water with barely a ripple, her ears tracking echoes and sounds through the water to build a map of the lakebed." OK so
18:41 rookaway This just gives me flashbacks to Majora's Mask
18:41 rookaway Did you ever play that?
18:42 rookaway There's one area where Link gets the Zora Mask (which lets him turn into a zora, a fish-person!) and you can swim really fast relatively far.
18:42 rookaway It was always my favorite : D
18:42 rookaway >800 m
18:42 rookaway aaaaaaaaaAAAAAA THAT'S DEEP
18:43 rookaway ... oh /hello/
18:43 rookaway What's this?
18:43 rookaway An... not an engine
18:43 rookaway What on earth is that at the bottom.
18:43 rookaway Curious.
18:44 rookaway and she texts waifu~
18:44 rookaway well, the closest thing to it an Infernal has :U
18:45 rookaway Someone really doesn't want people down there indeed o_O
18:46 rookaway ... that is a remarkably cool way to do things
18:46 rookaway WHIRLPOOL EXCAVATION
18:46 Aleph :D
18:47 rookaway aaaaaand bad tasting death
18:47 Aleph Hang on
18:47 Aleph Because I love this, and I made a post about it
18:47 rookaway Contagion huh o_O
18:47 rookaway and sure
18:47 Aleph Tabletop - General Exalted Thread | Page 319
18:48 rookaway "A layer of death and rot from the Great Contagion still lingering in the geological record, just below a second layer from when the Pole of Wood reconnected with Creation after being knocked loose during the Balorian Crusade, sending out a wave of Wood Essence so potent that it lingers in the fossil record on the other side of Creation more than seven hundre
18:48 rookaway forget the cut-off but
18:48 rookaway Holy shit
18:48 Aleph ikr
18:48 Aleph so cool
18:49 rookaway Holy *shit* yes /it/ /is/
18:49 rookaway O_O
18:49 rookaway *ahem*
18:49 Aleph :D
18:49 rookaway but yes contuing on
18:49 Aleph Indeed
18:49 rookaway continuing
18:49 rookaway herglebergle spelling
18:49 Aleph lol
18:49 Aleph Oh yes. Remember how Keris averages 18 successes for taste rolls?
18:49 rookaway wellington mcskellingtons
18:50 Aleph Keris averages 18 successes for taste rolls.
18:50 rookaway old realm-ish and
18:50 rookaway wha
18:50 rookaway I'm surprised that I'm surprised
18:50 rookaway At this point Keris shouldn't really be able to make me go 'wat'
18:50 Aleph Her taste is as acute as her hearing.
18:50 Aleph There is a reason she shrieked upon tasting that death layer.
18:50 rookaway I forgot that actually
18:50 Aleph ...
18:50 rookaway Ye gods
18:50 Aleph which was not wise
18:50 Aleph because it involved opening her mouth
18:50 rookaway lol
18:50 Aleph and letting more water in
18:50 rookaway sucks to be keris then :V
18:50 Aleph ooooh yes
18:52 rookaway leeeeemuuuuur
18:52 rookaway eeeee-
18:52 rookaway ... D:
18:52 rookaway rip lemur : (
18:52 Aleph lemurs should not have hooted near kerisears
18:52 Aleph loud lemurs become dead lemurs
18:53 rookaway Sasi responds : D
18:54 rookaway ooo
18:54 Aleph Ah, now.
18:54 rookaway Catalyst of the Red Sunrise
18:54 Aleph Heheheh
18:54 rookaway that's a pretty name
18:54 Aleph yyyyyeeaaaaah
18:54 Aleph or, as it turns out
18:54 Aleph not
18:55 rookaway and Keris returns to the lake
18:55 rookaway Echo!
18:56 Aleph Ah!
18:56 Aleph Yes
18:56 Aleph Now
18:56 Aleph This is pretty much exactly when Echo started to show signs of real intelligence - and indeed, began her journey into the annoying genius she is today.
18:56 Aleph Watch this waif.
18:56 Aleph :p
18:56 rookaway hee
18:57 rookaway >Echo waves her hands around, in an excited 'taa-daa' gesture.
18:57 rookaway eeeeee
18:57 rookaway "remarkably evocative gesture" lmao
18:57 Aleph
18:58 rookaway I for one welcome the new craze of silt-sock eel-skins
18:58 Aleph It is also where she got her mime-language, yes.
18:58 rookaway Iszangol, eh
18:59 Aleph Keris's first, whee
18:59 rookaway hee
18:59 rookaway And that is part the six!
18:59 Aleph But not the first from Keris.
18:59 Aleph And now Part the Seventh!
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18:59 rookaway Onward!
19:00 rookaway hee Keris
19:00 rookaway she really likes creating life
19:00 Aleph ^_^
19:00 rookaway "flesh-alchemy vats"
19:00 Aleph lol dulmea
19:01 Aleph she has a very... demonic view of reproduction
19:01 rookaway oh, Echo
19:01 rookaway >She gets a lot more smugness back, and the impression of someone sticking their tongue out.
19:01 rookaway s a s s
19:02 Aleph so much sass
19:02 Aleph ¬_¬
19:02 Aleph and again, we see that Echo is in fact going to end up smarter than Keris.
19:02 rookaway and Keris is not used to people being asleep at night
19:02 rookaway le gasp
19:02 Aleph Because she beat her to working out how to make serfs.
19:03 Aleph Look, Nexus is the equivalent of, like, New York or London. And she can hear /everything/ you're up to behind closed curtains.
19:03 rookaway Heh.
19:03 Aleph Yes, even that.
19:03 rookaway I can see how it'd--: p--be a change
19:03 rookaway also oh wow KERIS SKY
19:03 Aleph :V
19:03 rookaway Dulmea is best mum
19:04 Aleph "Echo is just a minor irritation. She steals things, she kills things when she's bored, and she's started making these... wind-children whenever she dances. Which is often."
19:04 Aleph you have no idea how many szelkeruby there are in the Domain right now
19:04 Aleph TOO FUCKING MANY IS HOW MANY
19:04 rookaway lol
19:05 Aleph at some point she got bored and stopped, but they can dance each other into existence as well, so the damage by then was done
19:05 rookaway >A year ago, she would never have thought she'd be swimming up a vertical waterfall to try to comfort her son. Who is not a sun, but instead a moon.
19:05 rookaway #infernals
19:05 Aleph Now it seems perfectly logical. :p
19:05 Aleph Remind me to show you the sequence where he got born
19:05 Aleph Now that was trippy
19:05 rookaway hee, sure
19:05 rookaway aww Rathan
19:05 rookaway no cry
19:06 Aleph :(
19:06 rookaway welcome to childcare Keris
19:06 Aleph i felt really bad this session
19:07 Aleph "Moving forward with a calming, soothing touch ready to gently reassure her son, Keris is immediately clocked in the eye by a flailing elbow"
19:07 rookaway lmao
19:07 Aleph truly, he is his mother's child
19:07 rookaway bounce the babby : D
19:07 rookaway ... huh.
19:07 rookaway It's literally heart-shaped.
19:08 Aleph Yyyyup
19:09 rookaway Dulmea is best nan too it seems
19:10 rookaway and Keris is back to Creation!
19:12 rookaway >Situations where everyone wins are the best, Keris thinks. Especially when they involve her not getting squashed by terrifyingly powerful demon gods.
19:12 rookaway oh, Keris
19:12 rookaway You so
19:12 rookaway so
19:12 rookaway so...
19:12 rookaway You so Keris.
19:13 Aleph :p
19:13 Aleph It's notable, actually
19:13 Aleph that Keris tends to think that love and loyalty are far better ways to rule than fear or coercion.
19:13 rookaway It's a very /her/ approach.
19:13 Aleph She mostly controls people in ways she herself would respond well to.
19:13 rookaway Yep.
19:13 Aleph Part of that, it must be said
19:14 Aleph is that she doesn't really understand the mindset of a person who, when threatened into compliance, doesn't start entertaining thoughts of flipping the board and stabbing the threat in the kidney.
19:14 rookaway Girl after my own heart.
19:15 rookaway "I see you had fun" lol NO REALLY
19:15 Aleph And she's a romantic, not a cynic, so she believes very strongly that emotional reasoning will override rational reasoning - which is why she's so paranoid of prejudice against Anathema and devotion to the Immaculate Faith.
19:15 Aleph Like, she probably massively overassigns how important those are to people, because she assumes they are to others as family is to her.
19:15 Aleph Or Revenge.
19:16 rookaway Yeeeep.
19:16 Aleph That is, she assumes everyone's walking around with 4-dot principles. :p
19:16 rookaway AKA "is crazy"
19:16 rookaway :V
19:16 Aleph :V
19:16 Aleph And yes, she had fun.
19:16 Aleph /lots/ of fun
19:17 rookaway >"Made. Him," Sasi says flatly.
19:17 rookaway aaand here we go
19:17 Aleph Keris has a consistent trait of making Sasi go "wtf"
19:17 Aleph It's one of the things Sasi loves about her.
19:17 Aleph She's a constant puzzle.
19:18 Aleph "So you learned to summon at last, but..." she trails off.
19:18 Aleph Keris bites her lip. "That... is a thing that might have happened, yes," she agrees. "Summoning is one thing I could have done. But, uh. I also sort of... didn't." She squirms slightly under Sasi's steady stare. "I may have... sort of... made him?" she says. It's as much question as statement.
19:18 rookaway the talking will wait indeed \*waggles eyebrows*
19:18 rookaway and lol
19:18 rookaway yeah
19:18 rookaway Keris is at the dinner-time now
19:18 Aleph Sasi massages her brow. "I'm not even surprised," she says, mostly to herself.
19:18 Aleph LIES
19:19 rookaway ... Shogunate secret locations eh
19:20 rookaway ... stored... there... ?
19:20 Aleph :D
19:20 rookaway D:
19:20 Aleph also :S
19:20 Aleph I'm pretty sure what it is at this point
19:22 rookaway Huh.
19:22 rookaway I am spooked that much is certain D:
19:22 rookaway And that is part the seven!
 
Bursting Eagerness Soul said:
@Aleph do you two have plans for that Seal thing or the Sphere-shard still? Or are they just orphaned plot hooks by now?
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Keris gave the location of the shard up to Sasi in return for full rights to the hull of the SWEET BOAT that she had Ligier remake into the Baisha, and Sasi has presumably retrieved and made use of it by now.

As for the seal...

... after some thought, I have become pretty sure that what is under the seal is the magical Exalted equivalent of a nuclear waste cache. Which would explain why it was six hundred metres underwater at the bottom of a flooded mineshaft that had been intentionally disguised as a shallow lake and had a seal covered in warnings that it wasn't a place where honourable people went.

I am consequently less keen about investigating what is under the seal now.
 
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