Stop right there.

Go meditate over the Dragons and cleanse your mind of this filthy heresy.
Instructions unclear, meditated over The Ebon Dragon and Oramus. Now mind is 1000% more heretical.

Something more serious:
Some among the green sun princes may tire of the watcher imposed on them by jealous titans. Pity the unwoven coadjutor who finds themselves caught in such a position.

This charm may only be learned by a warlock with the Unwoven Coadjutor background rated at 0 dots. Upon learning this charm, a soul of the Infernal's choice devours their hated coadjutor and takes its place.
I just realized that there is nothing stopping an infernal from using their Po to eat the Coadjutor. (The Infernal choses the soul, the soul has no choice in the matter. Besides, most Po would gladgly eat something with a minimum of encouragement.) How much of a bad idea that would be? Would it make the eventual ghost of the Infernal extra strange and extra dangerous? (The answer is yes, but how much?)
 
I just realized that there is nothing stopping an infernal from using their Po to eat the Coadjutor. (The Infernal choses the soul, the soul has no choice in the matter. Besides, most Po would gladgly eat something with a minimum of encouragement.) How much of a bad idea that would be? Would it make the eventual ghost of the Infernal extra strange and extra dangerous? (The answer is yes, but how much?)

It's a totally valid option.

Sure, it means your Urge will be something like "Rage at the World" or "Cry for the sins of mankind" or "Do All The Drugs" or something, but you could do worse.
 
I just realized that there is nothing stopping an infernal from using their Po to eat the Coadjutor. (The Infernal choses the soul, the soul has no choice in the matter. Besides, most Po would gladgly eat something with a minimum of encouragement.) How much of a bad idea that would be? Would it make the eventual ghost of the Infernal extra strange and extra dangerous? (The answer is yes, but how much?)

It would probably turn the Po into a hekathonkire pretty much immediately.
 
My logic is also flawless:

Any god is basically putty in the hands of a socially-specced akuma of Cecelyne.

Gods can be akuma.

Yu Shan is a bureaucratic hellhole that requires extreme social skill to rise to the top of.

Therefore all important gods must be suspected as being akuma.

If there's even a 1% chance that Heaven is being run by an akuma, we must treat it as if it's a 100% chance.

Therefore gods should not be allowed to run things.

After all, they're a species of middle managers.

Therefore we need to put someone in charge who isn't a god.

An experienced candidate is better than an inexperienced candidate

The only candidates with experience at running Heaven who aren't gods are the Yozis.

Therefore we should put the Yozis in charge of Heaven to avoid the risk of a Cecelynian akuma.

FLAWLESS. LOGIC.
This would be a fun alternative to hell. The Yozis, forever chained to the C Suite because you they'll try and fuck everything up if they're outside of the system so why not just make them responsible for making the system work instead?

Malfeas, as the Tyrant CEO Who Wishes He Was Out Golfing.
 
This would be a fun alternative to hell. The Yozis, forever chained to the C Suite because you they'll try and fuck everything up if they're outside of the system so why not just make them responsible for making the system work instead?

Malfeas, as the Tyrant CEO Who Wishes He Was Out Golfing.
'Clubbing' is what think I you mean.
 
This would be a fun alternative to hell. The Yozis, forever chained to the C Suite because you they'll try and fuck everything up if they're outside of the system so why not just make them responsible for making the system work instead?

Malfeas, as the Tyrant CEO Who Wishes He Was Out Golfing.
Or: "The Exalted host chose to actually agree to SWLIHN proposal" shard. Hell may have been a mercy, as opposed as eternal Paperwork.
 
An Usurpation Unnoticed
So this ignores the point in Path of a Thousand Whispers that bars Infernals from making fetich souls? And what is the point of having a fetich soul for an Infernal anyways? They already define their core nature. The only apparent benefit is altering the Urge mechanic to benefit you, which is already available in other charms. What would fetich-death do to an Infernal?

It's an interesting charm, but it also asks a lot of questions.
 
So this ignores the point in Path of a Thousand Whispers that bars Infernals from making fetich souls? And what is the point of having a fetich soul for an Infernal anyways? They already define their core nature. The only apparent benefit is altering the Urge mechanic to benefit you, which is already available in other charms. What would fetich-death do to an Infernal?

It's an interesting charm, but it also asks a lot of questions.

This (and other Charms like this from ES) are basically replacements/lower-Essence versions of the Devil-Tiger path. Fetich-death can't happen with this Charm, basically, because the demon who takes the role of the Fetich isn't summonable.
 
So this ignores the point in Path of a Thousand Whispers that bars Infernals from making fetich souls? And what is the point of having a fetich soul for an Infernal anyways? They already define their core nature. The only apparent benefit is altering the Urge mechanic to benefit you, which is already available in other charms. What would fetich-death do to an Infernal?

It's an interesting charm, but it also asks a lot of questions.
It mostly avoids the question of "what happens if Fetich dies" by making it clear that the Fetich can't be summoned, and by the fact that ES's Devil Domain charm doesn't allow the Infernal to bring buddies inside it.

Also, AFAIK ES ignores the canon Devil Tiger charm tree and presents his version as an alternative version.
 
So this ignores the point in Path of a Thousand Whispers that bars Infernals from making fetich souls? And what is the point of having a fetich soul for an Infernal anyways? They already define their core nature. The only apparent benefit is altering the Urge mechanic to benefit you, which is already available in other charms. What would fetich-death do to an Infernal?

It's an interesting charm, but it also asks a lot of questions.
In the Pantheon system, each of an infernals principles over a certain rating (3?) are expressed as souls analogous to 3rd circles, though likely initially no more than 2nd circle in power.
 
So this ignores the point in Path of a Thousand Whispers that bars Infernals from making fetich souls? And what is the point of having a fetich soul for an Infernal anyways? They already define their core nature. The only apparent benefit is altering the Urge mechanic to benefit you, which is already available in other charms. What would fetich-death do to an Infernal?

It's an interesting charm, but it also asks a lot of questions.

I don't write assuming that the canon Devil Tiger path exists. It doesn't interest me. And I honestly don't want to incentivise players to take it, because if I have to write a whole bloody Charmset, I'd rather write a Yozi Charmset that I can publish myself and people are actually interested in reading.

Like, when it comes down to it, the fun in Infernals is piecing together Charms that don't do exactly what you want to do what you want. So the Devil Tiger personal Charmset isn't something I want.

As for the "joke" here? Yes. The fetich is literally a relabelled coadjutor. It's unsummonable (though it does give you seven more 2CDs, which is not to be sneered at), it gives you the Fetich background which is the Unwoven Coadjutor background and serves its role for all purposes (which means you can still buy all these Unwoven Charms I make after getting rid of your fetich), and on top of that I even made it explicit and provide an alt-option for Infernals who like their Coadjutor and want to keep it, but want the other effects of the Charm.

This is a Charm to get rid of your Yozi-controlled Urge, and by default get rid of your coadjutor and allow you to buy Unwoven charms. In the default version, you're literally setting one of your Intimacies to your Urge instead, which is basically therefore giving you a second Motivation. The fact that it has a bunch of fluff around it doesn't actually change what it does.

So, no, you can't fetich death them, because just like the coadjutor it's totally unsummonable and spends its time in the "no one else can go there" Infernal's soul that's really just a pokeball for the Infernal to keep their personal demons in. I called it a fetich because the name was fitting, and because now it's defining the Infernal's Urge which can be considered to be their "core nature" from a certain point of view.
 
I don't write assuming that the canon Devil Tiger path exists. It doesn't interest me. And I honestly don't want to incentivise players to take it, because if I have to write a whole bloody Charmset, I'd rather write a Yozi Charmset that I can publish myself and people are actually interested in reading.

Given how much focus that the Devil Tiger path got to the exclusion of everything else, this is a desire that I sympathize and agree with. I'm also not interested in spending a few days on writing around thirty Charms for a single character that no other character can use, when I could just go find some other, actually canon Yozi and write a bunch of Charms for that one.

Like, when it comes down to it, the fun in Infernals is piecing together Charms that don't do exactly what you want to do what you want. So the Devil Tiger personal Charmset isn't something I want.

It also has the problem that when you actually reach the point where you can go Devil Tiger, then you'll already have something around 3-5 Yozi Excellencies already, so if you are unable to get those to do what you want then it's actually impressive that you have managed to reach this level of Essence in the first place.

Because frankly, if you can't augment your dice pools with one of your five Excellencies, then you might actually be too incompetent to deserve your Exaltation.

As for the "joke" here? Yes. The fetich is literally a relabelled coadjutor. It's unsummonable (though it does give you seven more 2CDs, which is not to be sneered at), it gives you the Fetich background which is the Unwoven Coadjutor background and serves its role for all purposes (which means you can still buy all these Unwoven Charms I make after getting rid of your fetich), and on top of that I even made it explicit and provide an alt-option for Infernals who like their Coadjutor and want to keep it, but want the other effects of the Charm.

Which means that it's still completely worthless, since the other alternative would get you, your own Fetich that you can summon only to have it Ghost-Eaten by some asshole Solar with a Daiklave, a funny hat and a bunch of gems glued to his ass.

Wait that sounds like a feature that doesn't give you a huge fuck-off weakness that any two-bit Circle of Exalts can exploit to murder you.

Carry on.

This is a Charm to get rid of your Yozi-controlled Urge, and by default get rid of your coadjutor and allow you to buy Unwoven charms. In the default version, you're literally setting one of your Intimacies to your Urge instead, which is basically therefore giving you a second Motivation. The fact that it has a bunch of fluff around it doesn't actually change what it does.

And that's an amazing ability because it closes off a weak spot in your mental makeup while also giving you a bunch of flavor with a Fetich Soul that you can play around with and do Kerisian shenanigans with.

It also gives you seven Second Circles that you can summon. Which is pretty great, considering that a Second Circle is like Enlightenment 6 to 8, making them pretty damn useful, because even if it might not be around the hallowed halls of "endgame Solar/Abyssal/Infernal", it's still an elder Dragon-Blood/starting Solaroid-level combatant at minimum.

So, no, you can't fetich death them, because just like the coadjutor it's totally unsummonable and spends its time in the "no one else can go there" Infernal's soul that's really just a pokeball for the Infernal to keep their personal demons in.

"no one else can go there" is probably the place where the dreams and hopes of Second Edition writers go to die.

Oh wait no, that's Scroll of The Monk and Lunars. :V

I called it a fetich because the name was fitting, and because now it's defining the Infernal's Urge which can be considered to be their "core nature" from a certain point of view.

The name does make sense, because in the end it serves baaaaasically the the same purpose as a Fetich does.
 
And that's an amazing ability because it closes off a weak spot in your mental makeup while also giving you a bunch of flavor with a Fetich Soul that you can play around with and do Kerisian shenanigans with.

It also gives you seven Second Circles that you can summon. Which is pretty great, considering that a Second Circle is like Enlightenment 6 to 8, making them pretty damn useful, because even if it might not be around the hallowed halls of "endgame Solar/Abyssal/Infernal", it's still an elder Dragon-Blood/starting Solaroid-level combatant at minimum.

Actually, I'm legit worried that it might be a little too good.

See, one of the tricks about my Pantheon stuff is that it's there to incentivise you to drive yourself crazy by getting lots of 4+ dot principles so you have lots of demons on call, at the small small cost of being inhumanly driven towards your passions and obsessions and being pulled in many directions at once by your desires when they contradict. Picking up extra 2CDs without having to go crazy... hmm. No, you're still going crazy, because you're setting one of your Intimacies as your Urge. That's fine, the crazy is being preserved. And since it's E5, you can get 3CDs at that point, so extra summonable 2CDs is okay (since you have to still use your new moon summoning slot on them).
 
Hee.

I can't wait until Dulmea gets her own Second Circles.

I have them all planned out and everything.

They're going to be hilarious. : 3
 
Hee.

I can't wait until Dulmea gets her own Second Circles.

I have them all planned out and everything.

They're going to be hilarious. : 3

If they'll be as great as Haneyl's Second Circles, I can't wait either.

By the way I'm pretty sorry that I didn't post my in-depth criticism of those, but I ran into the issue of not being able to find anything to criticize.

*mutter mutter damn good writers, always good at... writing good things and stuff mutter mutter*
 
Analysis is a form of criticism! It doesn't need to be pointing out flaws! :p

(Thank you for the compliment~)

But yes, Dulmea's are even funnier. And incidentally, Dulmea as a fetich would give Keris an Urge, more or less, of "Be Calm With Chaos All Around", which is hilariously appropriate for her.
 
It seems amusing that this would incentive Keris to create chaos so that she could calmly take advantage of it. This seems like it could have a very interesting influence on the manner in which Keris develops her long term strategies.
 
I'm very tempted, but time is a precious resource to me.

Also, I live in Denmark and you live in Australia, so the time zones would be all kind of fucked.

PLAY-BY-POST, SON

(Yes, this is pretty much why I only do PbP)

So, no, you can't fetich death them, because just like the coadjutor it's totally unsummonable and spends its time in the "no one else can go there" Infernal's soul that's really just a pokeball for the Infernal to keep their personal demons in. I called it a fetich because the name was fitting, and because now it's defining the Infernal's Urge which can be considered to be their "core nature" from a certain point of view.

As I've said before, while I understand the reasons for this, I do wish you could have an Infernal PC do a grand romantic gesture like inviting a lover into the world of their souls.
 
As I've said before, while I understand the reasons for this, I do wish you could have an Infernal PC do a grand romantic gesture like inviting a lover into the world of their souls.

You could probably wrangle it with some kind of joint mediation/astral projection kind of thing that allows someone else to enter the Inner World without being present. One of those "Is there but can't affect anything" type of deals, where if the one allowed to enter dies somehow, they pop out no harm done.
 
As I've said before, while I understand the reasons for this, I do wish you could have an Infernal PC do a grand romantic gesture like inviting a lover into the world of their souls.
It probably works best as one of those things that a given ST can bend in a specific instance, rather than something written down(and thus much more exploitable).
 
PLAY-BY-POST, SON

(Yes, this is pretty much why I only do PbP)

No, what I'll do is that I'll get some really quick and dir-

I'll work for the Danish mafia to sell illegal bacon to immigrants and harass people to give me their pork, and then I'll work for the mafia for several years until I've worked myself to the top, founding a criminal empire built on illegal bacon and stolen pork so that I can use the money and MOVE to Australia only to do a single game.

It'll be absolutely great, assuming we ignore the fact that no Danish mafia actually exists that is.
 
No, what I'll do is that I'll get some really quick and dir-

I'll work for the Danish mafia to sell illegal bacon to immigrants and harass people to give me their pork, and then I'll work for the mafia for several years until I've worked myself to the top, founding a criminal empire built on illegal bacon and stolen pork so that I can use the money and MOVE to Australia only to do a single game.

It'll be absolutely great, assuming we ignore the fact that no Danish mafia actually exists that is.

Memetic Unconquered Sun: THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN EPIC MOTIVATION INDEED

*hands out Solar Exaltation* :V
 
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