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Gems in the Wastes (Exalted/Warhammer Fantasy/CK2)

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DragonParadox said:
They may not know how bad the afterlife is broken here, but we do OOC. Let them have their shot.
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Speaking of, do we have a limited numbers of Hun-Po souls to work with?
There is no cycle of reincarnation in Warhammer, iirc new souls just coalesce out of the Immaterium( the same as how new Hun-Po souls could form out of the Wyld), and we have no idea if local souls possess a Hun-Po structure.
 
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SinisterPorpoise said:
Speaking of, do we have a limited numbers of Hun-Po souls to work with?
There is no cycle of reincarnation in Warhammer, iirc new souls just coalesce out of the Immateriam, and we have no idea if local souls possess a Hun-Po structure..
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According to the Liber Necris they seem to possess something analogous, with lower souls animating things like zombies and higher souls making ghosts that remember aspects of who the person was in life.
 
DragonParadox said:
They may not know how bad the afterlife is broken here, but we do OOC. Let them have their shot.
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It's Fantasy, not 40k. Morr can care for the human afterlife just fine.

[X] You would begin testing candidates as an emergency order (Choose as many below as you'd like. More options creates a greater likelihood of obtaining more Sovereigns, but also more potential loss of life. By default, you will test 2 candidates from each of the voted-upon groups on Turn 3, and then pause on tests until another decision can be made.)
-[X] You would test the elderly populace (5% of Populace)
 
DragonParadox said:
According to the Liber Necris they seem to possess something analogous, with lower souls animating things like zombies and higher souls making ghosts that remember aspects of who the person was in life.
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Warhammer Necromancy, originating from Nehekhara, assumes something like the ancient Egyptian model of the soul.
Which had eight parts to it.
K von Carstein said:
It's Fantasy, not 40k. Morr can care for the human afterlife just fine.
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No, he can't, he is stretched thin as it is and only cares for those that are buried.
If a grave is disturbed? The soul cannot rest.
If the corpse is too damaged? The soul cannot rest.
If cremated, like a lot of Creation natives will expect as normal corpse treatment? The soul cannot rest.
If not buried in the ground or in a mausoleum? The soul cannot rest.
Also, being forced to sleep forever isn't really great when what you expect is reincarnation.
 
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SinisterPorpoise said:
Speaking of, do we have a limited numbers of Hun-Po souls to work with?
There is no cycle of reincarnation in Warhammer, iirc new souls just coalesce out of the Immaterium( the same as how new Hun-Po souls could form out of the Wyld), and we have no idea if local souls possess a Hun-Po structure.
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No? The Hun and Po souls of humanity do not come from the wyld, they are made at the Well of Souls in Creation. It's why Auto has a problem with new souls and a limited amount.
 
gale said:
No? The Hun and Po souls of humanity do not come from the wyld, they are made at the Well of Souls in Creation. It's why Auto has a problem with new souls and a limited amount.
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Which uses Wyld-stuff as raw material.
Creation isn't a closed system, loss needs to be replaced and the only place new things can be sourced from is the Wyld.
edit: To be fair, I did skip the middleman there.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I do not think the divine fount carved by the literal Maidens of Destiny has a 1% of being damaged, I do not think it has any chance of being damaged. A 1 would make the end of the one who rolled it particularly gruesome, just as a 100 would make it particularly grand.
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It CAN be damaged, however damage will be in stages and with time and proper worship can even be repaired. You will NOT lose the Fount immediately upon rolling a 1.
 
SinisterPorpoise said:
Which uses Wyld-stuff as raw material.
Creation isn't a closed system, loss needs to be replaced and the only place new things can be sourced from is the Wyld.
edit: To be fair, I did skip the middleman there.
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Yes, but that is a whole ass system that is made, they may use wyld energy to make the souls, but there is a process to it. Hell, Fair Folk are what are used to make Jadeborn.
 
[X] You would begin testing candidates as an emergency order (Choose as many below as you'd like. More options creates a greater likelihood of obtaining more Sovereigns, but also more potential loss of life. By default, you will test 2 candidates from each of the voted-upon groups on Turn 3, and then pause on tests until another decision can be made.)
-[X] You would test the elderly populace (5% of Populace)
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Alternately we do, as I say, have plenty of Exalted already, so we could just hold off on the whole thing:

[X] You would hold off on testing until the Fount of Glories was relocated
-[X] Above ground, in the homestead
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Also, as per chargen creating too many Sovereign exalts risks antagonizing our cohort of DB's.

Plus: they will be of limited use in the short-term and we need to actually find things for these new Exalts to do once they are up to full power. Creating a large class of Exalts who we can't really find enough positions of distinction for other than 'general troubleshooter' seems like it might come and bite us in the butt in the reasonably near future.

Only once we are established and can afford to send squads of exalts on risky missions or to establish permanently-manned outposts or be our ambassadors at foreign courts does it seem sensible to start systematically testing.

[X] You would hold off on testing until the Fount of Glories was relocated
-[X] Above ground, in the homestead
[X] You would hold off on testing until the proper Shrines are constructed
-[X] Above ground, in the homestead
 
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Siual said:
Also, as per chargen creating too many Sovereign exalts risks antagonizing our cohort of DB's.

Plus: they will be of limited use in the short-term and we need to actually find things for these new Exalts to do once they are up to full power. Creating a large class of Exalts who we can't really find enough positions of distinction for other than 'general troubleshooter' seems like it might come and bite us in the butt in the reasonably near future.

Only once we are established and can afford to send squads of exalts on risky missions or to establish permanently-manned outposts or be our ambassadors at foreign courts does it seem sensible to start systematically testing.

[X] You would hold off on testing until the Fount of Glories was relocated
-[X] Above ground, in the homestead
[X] You would hold off on testing until the proper Shrines are constructed
-[X] Above ground, in the homestead
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This is Warhammer, we could very easily lose Soverigns and exalted in general in battle. I do not think overpopulation of god-heroes is our main problem in this hellhole and once they lay eyes on that hydra the dragonblooded will likely agree. Not to mention that it's hard to make overpopulation with +1-2.
 
DragonParadox said:
This is Warhammer, we could very easily lose Soverigns and exalted in general in battle. I do not think overpopulation of god-heroes is our main problem in this hellhole and once they lay eyes on that hydra the dragonblooded will likely agree. Not to mention that it's hard to make overpopulation with +1-2.
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I mean, it fundamentally doesn't make sense as an emergency measure and the DB would be idiots not to see that. "We're facing an exceptionally dangerous foe in a month or two and so we're going to start systematically testing our broader population for Sovereign exaltation, creating, already within a few years a class of exalts that will significantly outnumber you. Yes none of these exalts will arrive on time to meaningfully help us fight this threat."

Managing cultural/individual expectations has already been a very significant part of managing this civ and our council, and we've been told this would be a worry of our DB's, so it seems a bit cavalier to dismiss this downside? Especially given that there is at least an opportunity cost (and quite possibly a very real cost) to be paid for starting to exalt Sovereigns before properly installing the Fount.
 
Siual said:
I mean, it fundamentally doesn't make sense as an emergency measure and the DB would be idiots not to see that. "We're facing an exceptionally dangerous foe in a month or two and so we're going to start systematically testing our broader population for Sovereign exaltation, creating, already within a few years a class of exalts that will significantly outnumber you. Yes none of these exalts will arrive on time to meaningfully help us fight this threat."

Managing cultural/individual expectations has already been a very significant part of managing this civ and our council, and we've been told this would be a worry of our DB's, so it seems a bit cavalier to dismiss this downside? Especially given that there is at least an opportunity cost (and quite possibly a very real cost) to be paid for starting to exalt Sovereigns before properly installing the Fount.
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Er... that is not what's happening. The testing such as could happen outside the Fount has happened, our population was selected from among those with the highest chance to pass. What we would be doing this turn is grab two old mortals of very high and distinguished service and giving them the chance to exalt.
 
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    Turn 3 is currently on hold at the moment while I work on finishing the update for my other quest. It shouldn't take too much time before I can work on this again, since my other quest is deliberately more casual than this one, but it is my current priority at the moment.

    For now, if the vote to have the elderly Exalt succeeds, then the results for that will occur after the normal turn actions, but BEFORE the combat mini-turn. That way, you won't be stuck with nothing when it comes time to discuss strategy.
     
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    • One thing that we should consider for the mid term is to check if we have any mortals with aspect markings or otherwise known to be related to any Dragonblooded. It's not that we need someone for our dragonblooded to start producing the next generation next turn or anything, but there are only five of them, a fact which the Dyansts at least will be all too aware of and pretty worried about. No matter what their history is someone no doubt hammered the necessity of passing on the gifts of the Elemental Dragons on and while some of them may have rebelled against it I do not think most of them did. More than anything this would be a sign that the are seen and that Sango wants to ensure that their line lives on, it would be a diplomatic counterbalance to the Fount being.. the Fount, no matter how we use it the DBs are going to see it as competition.
     
    [X] You would begin testing candidates as an emergency order (Choose as many below as you'd like. More options creates a greater likelihood of obtaining more Sovereigns, but also more potential loss of life. By default, you will test 2 candidates from each of the voted-upon groups on Turn 3, and then pause on tests until another decision can be made.)
    -[X] You would test the elderly populace (5% of Populace)
     
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    • Well, the time for the vote has come to a close. It seems you'll be doing some emergency tests for Exaltation next turn. These will occur after the rest of Turn 3's normal results.

    As mentioned before, I'm still working on updating my other quest at the moment, so it might take some time before you'll be able to see Turn 3. Please be patient while I try and sort this out.
    Scheduled vote count started by Critian Caceorte on Jun 16, 2024 at 10:17 AM, finished with 38 posts and 13 votes.
    • [X] You would begin testing candidates as an emergency order (Choose as many below as you'd like. More options creates a greater likelihood of obtaining more Sovereigns, but also more potential loss of life. By default, you will test 2 candidates from each of the voted-upon groups on Turn 3, and then pause on tests until another decision can be made.)
      -[X] You would test the elderly populace (5% of Populace)
      [X] You would hold off on testing until the Fount of Glories was relocated
      -[X] Above ground, in the homestead
      [X] You would hold off on testing until the proper Shrines are constructed
      [X] You would hold off on testing until the proper Shrines are constructed
      -[X] Above ground, in the homestead
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    • Alright, my stuff for the other quest has been sent off to my Co-QM, so now I can focus back on here. It should only take me a day or two to get everything ready for here, since I don't have work this week, but then again being on vacation has historically tanked my writing output rather than increase it. Hopefully that won't happen again this time.
     
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