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Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest

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Ipslon said:
By the same merit I could say "Being a ninja is more popular, so it must be better!". Just because it's unique doesn't make it better. I'm going to be a bit ridiculous here, just to prove the point. People who decide to tattoo hate symbols on their face are certainly unique individuals. But would you make that choice, just to distinguish yourself from everyone else?

Also, I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from. Didn't they get completely dunked on by Sauce?
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I'm getting my numbers from the Tankobon, not every ninja is a Prodigy like Sasuke, the vast majority of them rarely ever make it past Chunin if that. The main characters may be geniusus and hard workers, but for every Sasuke or Naruto, there's a dozen people who don't have the talent. The Land of Iron Focuses on Quality and their Sword Techniques are specialized to disrupt handseals in split instants. It's considered enough of an ace in the hole for them that the Land of Iron is respected enough to not get fucked with by the Hidden villages.

ShyGuy said:
Being a samurai is in no way unique. There are tons of them in the Land of Iron.

Also, where is the "my first loyalty must always be to my family" thing coming from. There are likely hundreds of ninja that hold their commitments to their family above their loyalty to the village. Becoming a ninja doesn't suddenly make us disloyal to our family or someone that doesn't care about them. It is a career path, a serious career path to be sure, but also one of the best ones if you are successful and lucky enough. There is a reason that ninja pretty much dominate and shape a lot of the political landscape in the Elemental Nations and it isn't because Samurai are better.

Also, if we become a ninja, our mom isn't going to hate us or start to worry about our 'loyalty'. She will worry about our safety but as long as we are happy and doing what we enjoy then she will support us.
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It's unique in that Every Other Quest has the MC be a ninja, it's also Unique in the Watsonian Perspective, since Only the Land of Iron Uses Samurai.
 
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KnightofTempest said:
I'm getting my numbers from the Tankobon, not every ninja is a Prodigy like Sasuke, the vast majority of them rarely ever make it past Chunin if that. The main characters may be geniusus and hard workers, but for every Sasuke or Naruto, there's a dozen people who don't have the talent. The Land of Iron Focuses on Quality and their Sword Techniques are specialized to disrupt handseals in split instants. It's considered enough of an ace in the hole for them that the Land of Iron is respected enough to not get fucked with by the Hidden villages.
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I'm fairly certain that with Gai as our master, and also being the main character, we won't be a no-name extra that dies when the big hitters show up. And the skill ceiling for what a ninja can do is much higher than that of the samurai. And again, unique != better.
 
Ipslon said:
I'm fairly certain that with Gai as our master, and also being the main character, we won't be a no-name extra that dies when the big hitters show up. And the skill ceiling for what a ninja can do is much higher than that of the samurai. And again, unique != better.
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Tell that to Mifune, he beat Hanzo the Salamander, someone who not even the Sannin at their peak working together could defeat.
 
KnightofTempest said:
Because it's unique? Also because on average a land of Iron Samurai will beat a Ninja 9/10 times, though that may just be Kishimoto wanting to make his new faction look cool.
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I mean, earlier it was made pretty clear that Tokei can't hold a candle to the Konoha ninja. Unless he's a particularity weak samurai I think the ninja are just on another level.

Though it would be cool to be a ninja with some samurai tricks, it's seems a waste to use a sword with Gai teaching us. Unless he can help us with fusing his taijutsu with sword techniques... would be cool but maybe not possible.
 
KnightofTempest said:
Someone needs to go back and read the end of shippuden again. Hanzo was Edo Tenseid and Mifune put him down that time
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Here. I'm just going to leave this here for you to re-read. Naruto Chapter 532 - Page 1

Also if Mifune killed Hanzo then Yahiko wouldn't be dead. It was Nagato who killed him.
Unless you are bad at explaining things and mean that Mifune killed him after revived. In which case that was a Hanzo who had let his skills degrade and stopped training. Which doesn't exactly look good on Mifune's resume.

Especially since after a reread while Mifune one the final exchange Hanzo was only defeated by basically committing Seppuku.
 
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[x] Yes. Becoming a Shinobi of Konoha?! That's the whole reason you're here! Of course!
 
Come on, let's be fair: in a straight up fight, starting from near melee range, the average samurai probably beats the average ninja (chunin at most)because kenjutsu>taijutsu (with equal skill), and the ninja won't usually have the time to disengage and use his jutsu.

Problem is

1) ninja usually don't fight fair and decide when and how the fight starts.

2)ninja have a lot more flexibility and a greater variety of techniques

3) samurai have pretty much only one progression path: sword skills. Ninja can use kenjutsu, but if they're not good at it they can focus on something else.

4) Mifune is good. He is also the only s-rank samurai we've seen (OK, and that one from the war I have already forgotten again)


Now, we live in konoha. Samurai live in iron.

If we want to become samurai we'd probably need to leave konoha. Tokei might teach us the basics, but not much more. Samurai do keep their techniques secret just like the ninja do, they're the only advantage they have. True samurai only live in iron.


Personally I don't find being a samurai interesting enough to both
1) leave konoha
2) give up ninja training.
 
Generally speaking, a samurai has only one (well, two) real trick in their possession - physical augmentation (which isn't really any better than what ninja would have), and chakra flow. Every samurai basically follows the same path. Basically, what this means is that against the generic ninja, the ones who don't have anything special about them and haven't really delved into chakra manipulation, they have an advantage by being better in the fields that matter in that kind of battle - they're physically superior, and their chakra control and quantity is likely to be better - I speculate it's because where a ninja has to split their focus on a multitude of ways to fight, these guys specialize in quick and hard-hitting forms of fighting. But against the named ninja, the jonin and above, they're ... kinda fucked. Jonin typically have some kind of special ability on their side in addition to covering their bases, and typically have high ability in Nature as well as Shape transformation, so the Samurai are not necessarily better in terms of chakra control either.

Samurai have higher averages, but lower peaks, basically. In a head-on fight anyway, and ninja are far more versatile and better on a tactical and strategic scale.

EDIT: Really, what I want isn't just a samurai - I'm aiming for a samurai sage.
 
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Whichever option wins, it would be better not to restrict our moveset to just ninja skills or samurai skills. Why not get the best of both worlds; both have their advantages and disadvantages. Plus, since we chose the iron origin, we should make use of that to learn some samurai skills.
 
Gigaplex said:
Whichever option wins, it would be better not to restrict our moveset to just ninja skills or samurai skills. Why not get the best of both worlds; both have their advantages and disadvantages. Plus, since we chose the iron origin, we should make use of that to learn some samurai skills.
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at least in the short term ninja skills are easier to get than samurai skill.

The only possible source of samurai training we have right now is Tokei, and we don't even know how good he is. Probably a bit above chunin level i think. For ninja techniques we have both the Academy and Gai, and through him we even have a small chance to get to Kakashi and his 1000+ techniques.

Tokei probably wouldn't teach us Samurai secret techniques, but he might agree to teach us basic kenjutsu. Depending on his opinion on ninja he might teach us a bit even if we join the academy. We don't know when we'll be able to go in Iron to learn from other Samurai, and we'd probably not be well received because of our mysterious past as of now.

Still, i think it might be slightly easier to learn samurai techniques in the future as a ninja than the reverse, though both are really unlikely unless Konoha and Iron decide to become allies.
 
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KnightofTempest said:
Tell that to Mifune, he beat Hanzo the Salamander, someone who not even the Sannin at their peak working together could defeat.
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Mifune beat Edo Tensei Hanzo.

Edo Tensei any non-Madara person is dramatically gimped in terms of their power level. I mean, remember how aging and decrepit Hiruzen soloed Edo Tensei Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato? While setting up a complicated seal? That's how much Edo Tensei gimps a ninja.

The one time Mifune faced living Hanzo, he got rekt and only lived cause Hanzo was feeling merciful. Plus, and I must correct this misconception - Hanzo didn't beat the Sannin at their peak. He beat them when they were jounin, but they were not even close to their peak power levels back then.
 
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[X] No. Being a ninja means your life is not your own anymore- and you have other things you want to do than spy for your country.
 
RedV said:
Mifune beat Edo Tensei Hanzo.

Edo Tensei any non-Madara person is dramatically gimped in terms of their power level. I mean, remember how aging and decrepit Hiruzen soloed Edo Tensei Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato? While setting up a complicated seal? That's how much Edo Tensei gimps a ninja.

The one time Mifune faced living Hanzo, he got rekt and only lived cause Hanzo was feeling merciful. Plus, and I must correct this misconception - Hanzo didn't beat the Sannin at their peak. He beat them when they were jounin, but they were not even close to their peak power levels back then.
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Actually, that was explicitly fixed by Kabuto. The Edo Tensei rezzed by him using his modified version of the technique were just as powerful as they were IRL (with Madara being even more powerful).

Not that it matters - Edo Hanzo didn't lose to Mifune, he lost to himself. He basically killed himself (explicitly called out as seppuku in the manga) after being reminded of how far he'd fallen and his lost resolve. He could manage it because Kabuto chose not to go for absolute control over the Edo Tensei, since his unfamiliarity with their abilities would actually weaken them quite a bit in a fight, and by the time he resorted to direct control over Hanzo it was too late.

EDIT: Also, Hiruzen didn't solo shit. He stopped Minato from being summoned in the first place, and was being pushed to his limits with every single move Hashirama made. The sacrificial technique he used wasn't just because it could kill Orochimaru, it was because it was his last resort.
 
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Dimensionist said:
Actually, that was explicitly fixed by Kabuto. The Edo Tensei rezzed by him using his modified version of the technique were just as powerful as they were IRL (with Madara being even more powerful).

Not that it matters - Edo Hanzo didn't lose to Mifune, he lost to himself. He basically killed himself (explicitly called out as seppuku in the manga) after being reminded of how far he'd fallen and his lost resolve. He could manage it because Kabuto chose not to go for absolute control over the Edo Tensei, since his unfamiliarity with their abilities would actually weaken them quite a bit in a fight, and by the time he resorted to direct control over Hanzo it was too late.

EDIT: Also, Hiruzen didn't solo shit. He stopped Minato from being summoned in the first place, and was being pushed to his limits with every single move Hashirama made. The sacrificial technique he used wasn't just because it could kill Orochimaru, it was because it was his last resort.
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Hm, thanks for reminding me about Minato not being rezzed. Need to update Naru memories, it seems.
 
[] No. Being a ninja means your life is not your own anymore- and you have other things you want to do than spy for your country.

Not actually being a ninja sounds like an interesting route to take. I have no hope for this choice to win though especially with the promise of Gai teaching us. It's funny, but we've kinda have been headed down the taijutsu path from the moment we went with the physical boost via walking over the social or intelligence boost.

Also, Gai slowly and subtly(?!) tutoring us and having us grow literally one punch at a time has definitely been enjoyable to read.

...Fuck it. I want to read more of it.

[X] Yes. Becoming a Shinobi of Konoha?! That's the whole reason you're here! Of course!
 
Raven's Requiem said:
It's funny, but we've kinda have been headed down the taijutsu path from the moment we went with the physical boost via walking over the social or intelligence boost.
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To be fair Taijutsu is ALWAYS usefull. Nothing says we have to specialize in it. I want it all!


I also want to see what happens when you use ninjutsu with the gates opened!
Raven's Requiem said:
Also, Gai slowly and subtly(?!)
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i always thought people underestimate him. He's a JONIN, he can't be completely hopeless at subtelty and subterfuge.
 
And we're done here. I'm going to get to work on the next update. It promises to be... eventful.
Adhoc vote count started by Vesvius on Oct 6, 2018 at 5:28 PM, finished with 1798 posts and 85 votes.
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Pittauro said:
To be fair Taijutsu is ALWAYS usefull. Nothing says we have to specialize in it. I want it all!


I also want to see what happens when you use ninjutsu with the gates opened!

i always thought people underestimate him. He's a JONIN, he can't be completely hopeless at subtelty and subterfuge.
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Would Guy even teach us the gates? We ain't handicapped like Lee was and he didn't teach it to Ten Ten or white eyes.
 
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