Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest

Eh, omake XP is basically a renewable resource. I personally believe we're going to keep the achievements only, otherwise the next game is going to start with basically maxed everything at birth unless we die really soon.
What @KaintukeeBob said. Also, that's assuming we start at birth, rather than skipping straight to Teenager-hood. Remember, all that stuff was a Tutorial mission.

The Naruto: Game of the Year had "Avatars" which were half way Pre-Made variations on Naruto with different stats and caps. It's entirely possible that the Omake XP could be used to create the same thing here, and be cycled around. There are just so many options for Ves.

Personally I'll worry about the next life only if and when we die. we simply don't KNOW what we keep and what we lose. We THINK we'll keep omake xp/perks and achievements (or we'll at least be somehow compensated for them), but we can't be sure until that time comes
Also, this.
I actually think it's the reverse.

This is a Game of the Year based story, we are going to Die, a Lot, it's the cornerstone of the original work.

That being the case, I think the major xp producers are playing this life for fun, and to test mechanics.

Sure, there is an effort to make the character viable, but not the kind of serious push you normally see.

They know the author is going to pull the rug out from under them eventually, so might as well play to your preferences and see how it shakes out.

Case in point, the only stat we have maxed is appearance.
And this.

We don't seem to have "save points", but we do have access points. Which means that whenever viable, we should try to unlock them. We have the Warring States, and we can probably unlock the 3rd Shinobi War whenever we have some free time. It's the Shippuden and Boruto eras that will be hard.

I've gotten my tools together, once my meds stabilize, I'm actually planning on making a bit of a Push Art/XP wise. Which is why I haven't spent what I've got. But, if it'll stop people from belly-aching...

@Vesvius 230 into Perception.
 
What @KaintukeeBob said. Also, that's assuming we start at birth, rather than skipping straight to Teenager-hood. Remember, all that stuff was a Tutorial mission.

The Naruto: Game of the Year had "Avatars" which were half way Pre-Made variations on Naruto with different stats and caps. It's entirely possible that the Omake XP could be used to create the same thing here, and be cycled around. There are just so many options for Ves.


Also, this.

And this.

We don't seem to have "save points", but we do have access points. Which means that whenever viable, we should try to unlock them. We have the Warring States, and we can probably unlock the 3rd Shinobi War whenever we have some free time. It's the Shippuden and Boruto eras that will be hard.

I've gotten my tools together, once my meds stabilize, I'm actually planning on making a bit of a Push Art/XP wise. Which is why I haven't spent what I've got. But, if it'll stop people from belly-aching...

@Vesvius 230 into Perception.

Pretty sure unlocking Shippuden or Boruto eras will just require surviving into them.
 
Pretty sure unlocking Shippuden or Boruto eras will just require surviving into them.
which isn't exactly easy. It requires quite a lot of time at the very least, and in this life means surviving both the chunin exam, the sound invasion, and 3 more years of various missions. I don't think i have to talk about what the Boruto time requires.

I just find worrying about the next life, when we still have this one (in which we're going pretty well for now) and don't know the respawn/new game mechanics not very usefull.

I will admit that if we die I'd really like playing in the clan wars era though. Lot of interesting possibilities there
 
which isn't exactly easy. It requires quite a lot of time at the very least, and in this life means surviving both the chunin exam, the sound invasion, and 3 more years of various missions. I don't think i have to talk about what the Boruto time requires.

I just find worrying about the next life, when we still have this one (in which we're going pretty well for now) and don't know the respawn/new game mechanics not very usefull.

I will admit that if we die I'd really like playing in the clan wars era though. Lot of interesting possibilities there

It'd be pretty cool to start there and manage to survive until the end of the manga. Get some skills up to divine and troll everyone.
 
I'd like to play as one clan through the entire timeline.

Like warring clans to boruto.

Make it like our own personal civ game. Assuming each checkpoint doesn't reset to default canon.

I'm guessing the clan achievements gate reincarnation choices for that clan. You want to be a nara, then become one with the shadows by being revered by them.


Also, using our personal companion slot to bring someone with us to earlier era is going to be trippy.

Ino as an ancient yamanaka would freak out.
 
I just find worrying about the next life, when we still have this one (in which we're going pretty well for now) and don't know the respawn/new game mechanics not very usefull.
You know, this same exact sentence could be said to every priest of every major religion on IRL earth. "I just find worrying about the next life, when I still have this one (in which I'm going pretty well for now) and don't know the respawn/new game mechanics not very useful." The person saying it can't believe in the teachings of any of those religions of course, because they pretty much all strongly command you to worry about the next life (typically some sort of heaven/hell, or reincarnation). In other words, you are presenting a worldview where one doesn't care about their existence after death, typically only shared by atheists in IRL earth. Daisuke could be an atheist (or a comparable unbeliever) as well of course, but I just find that really unlikely, with all the proof he has towards there being some higher power and life after death. Thus, I'd make the following argument:

1. Only atheists (or comparable) don't worry about the next life.
2. It would be very unrealistic and weird for Daisuke to be an atheist (or comparable).
Conclusion: It would be very unrealistic and weird for Daisuke not to worry about the next life.

Edit: I'm using atheism as a catch-all for all purely materialist ontologies. I know atheism doesn't technically mean anything like that, but I believe everyone gets what I'm talking about here. And one has to admit that ontological materialism and atheism usually go pretty hand in hand on 2018 earth.

Edit^2: Looking back, I'm again putting things too much into an IC perspective, when we are doing mostly meta-level thinking when considering Daisuke's build choices. Still, food for thought if nothing else. And I don't think linking Daisuke's build choices to his current IC-wishes is that bad either.
 
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You know, this same exact sentence could be said to every priest of every major religion on IRL earth. "I just find worrying about the next life, when I still have this one (in which I'm going pretty well for now) and don't know the respawn/new game mechanics not very useful." The person saying it can't believe in the teachings of any of those religions of course, because they pretty much all strongly command you to worry about the next life (typically some sort of heaven/hell, or reincarnation). In other words, you are presenting a worldview where one doesn't care about their existence after death, typically only shared by atheists in IRL earth. Daisuke could be an atheist (or a comparable unbeliever) as well of course, but I just find that really unlikely, with all the proof he has towards there being some higher power and life after death. Thus, I'd make the following argument:

1. Only atheists (or comparable) don't worry about the next life.
2. It would be very unrealistic and weird for Daisuke to be an atheist (or comparable).
Conclusion: It would be very unrealistic and weird for Daisuke not to worry about the next life.

Edit: I'm using atheism as a catch-all for all purely materialist ontologies. I know atheism doesn't technically mean anything like that, but I believe everyone gets what I'm talking about here. And one has to admit that ontological materialism and atheism usually go pretty hand in hand on 2018 earth.

Edit^2: Looking back, I'm again putting things too much into an IC perspective, when we are doing mostly meta-level thinking when considering Daisuke's build choices. Still, food for thought if nothing else. And I don't think linking Daisuke's build choices to his current IC-wishes is that bad either.
I know I shouldn't do this, but I'm going to engage the question.

Or, you know, he could be Shinto. Where yes there's a next life but everyone's fate is pretty much the same unless you've done something really weird. They become spirits that help those they love and then move on when there's nothing left for them to do. There's still no worrying about The Next Life, as unless you're obsessive and an asshole, you're going to turn out fine. So Just Live.

Or Zen, where reincarnation happens to everyone and yes it is affected by your actions, but the best thing to do is live in the moment and be the best you you can be. The next life will happen, and you can worry about it then.

Or the several traditions where your afterlife is in the hands of others. Your fate isn't determined by what you do or what sort of person you are, but by how many people remember you and mourn your passing. So it's actually counter to a healthy AfterLife to worry about what will happen after this, when you could be Taking Care Of Things Here.

To say that to be religious you must care about what happens after life/death is to assume a very Western outlook on things. There are many non-religious afterlives and many religious ones. We/Daisuke personally know that reincarnation is real, but we don't know how it works yet.

This is not to say we don't believe in it. When we say that it's not useful to worry about it, it's the same as someone filing their taxes, but not worrying if the IRS agent who reads them is going to be in a good mood. We can't influence that agent. We don't know if they've had a divorce recently, or if they're eating birthday cake. It doesn't do us any good to worry about them.

Live your life, be present in the moment. When the moment of your death is here, then you should be present in that moment too. But not before.
 
You know, this same exact sentence could be said to every priest of every major religion on IRL earth. "I just find worrying about the next life, when I still have this one (in which I'm going pretty well for now) and don't know the respawn/new game mechanics not very useful." The person saying it can't believe in the teachings of any of those religions of course, because they pretty much all strongly command you to worry about the next life (typically some sort of heaven/hell, or reincarnation). In other words, you are presenting a worldview where one doesn't care about their existence after death, typically only shared by atheists in IRL earth. Daisuke could be an atheist (or a comparable unbeliever) as well of course, but I just find that really unlikely, with all the proof he has towards there being some higher power and life after death. Thus, I'd make the following argument:

1. Only atheists (or comparable) don't worry about the next life.
2. It would be very unrealistic and weird for Daisuke to be an atheist (or comparable).
Conclusion: It would be very unrealistic and weird for Daisuke not to worry about the next life.

Edit: I'm using atheism as a catch-all for all purely materialist ontologies. I know atheism doesn't technically mean anything like that, but I believe everyone gets what I'm talking about here. And one has to admit that ontological materialism and atheism usually go pretty hand in hand on 2018 earth.

Edit^2: Looking back, I'm again putting things too much into an IC perspective, when we are doing mostly meta-level thinking when considering Daisuke's build choices. Still, food for thought if nothing else. And I don't think linking Daisuke's build choices to his current IC-wishes is that bad either.
i wasn't really thinking in religious term, but just "Daisuke is alive. He's doing well. We might die and start a new life, or maybe we'll get to the end in this one. In any case it might take months, years or Ves might simply get bored and the quest ends before we reach that point. We don't know what exactly happens once Daisuke dies (nor is it guaranteed that he WILL die), so we can't properly plan for it. And if we can't plan, we might as well don't think about it and decide what to do when the time arrives and we know if/what we keep from the first playtrough".

IF we knew what exactly happens after Daisuke dies (and most religions actually say they KNOW what happens, so they actually can and DO give guidelines to follow) that would be a different things.

Basically, we can't plan when we don't know the rules, so trying to is mostly wasted effort.

By the way, i find your answer a bit funny, as I actually AM an atheist :p. or agnostic. I kinda waver between the two.
 
Feels odd to me that no one has prioritized Perception especially with it being an essential skill for the current quest. It just seems like one of the essential skills in Naruto(even more than D&D) because of all the stealth and trickery in play.
When someone runs at you, screaming the name of their attack at the top of their lungs it is really important to be able to see them, I agree.
 
I know I shouldn't do this, but I'm going to engage the question.

Or, you know, he could be Shinto. Where yes there's a next life but everyone's fate is pretty much the same unless you've done something really weird. They become spirits that help those they love and then move on when there's nothing left for them to do. There's still no worrying about The Next Life, as unless you're obsessive and an asshole, you're going to turn out fine. So Just Live.

Or Zen, where reincarnation happens to everyone and yes it is affected by your actions, but the best thing to do is live in the moment and be the best you you can be. The next life will happen, and you can worry about it then.

Or the several traditions where your afterlife is in the hands of others. Your fate isn't determined by what you do or what sort of person you are, but by how many people remember you and mourn your passing. So it's actually counter to a healthy AfterLife to worry about what will happen after this, when you could be Taking Care Of Things Here.

To say that to be religious you must care about what happens after life/death is to assume a very Western outlook on things. There are many non-religious afterlives and many religious ones. We/Daisuke personally know that reincarnation is real, but we don't know how it works yet.

This is not to say we don't believe in it. When we say that it's not useful to worry about it, it's the same as someone filing their taxes, but not worrying if the IRS agent who reads them is going to be in a good mood. We can't influence that agent. We don't know if they've had a divorce recently, or if they're eating birthday cake. It doesn't do us any good to worry about them.

Live your life, be present in the moment. When the moment of your death is here, then you should be present in that moment too. But not before.
I meant worry in the sense of "consider this when doing planning" rather than "have negative feelings about this". Opposite of "ignore", basically. Still, it is true that purposefully ignoring the future and wholly focusing on the present is a philosophy that I didn't take into account, probably because as you insightfully said, that philosophy isn't very western. Daisuke developing this view would satisfy my wishes for realism, yes :). I'd like for it to show a bit more in the writing about Daisuke though, but that's nitpicking.

Basically, we can't plan when we don't know the rules, so trying to is mostly wasted effort.
This I don't agree with. Planning without knowing the rules is something we do all the time as humans. Its called planning under uncertainty Uncertainty - Wikipedia. A quote:
"Uncertainty is a situation which involves imperfect or unknown information. It applies to predictions of future events, to physical measurements that are already made, or to the unknown. Uncertainty arises in partially observable and/or stochastic environments, as well as due to ignorance, indolence, or both.[1] It arises in any number of fields, including insurance, philosophy, physics, statistics, economics, finance, psychology, sociology, engineering, metrology, meteorology, ecology and information science."

Edit: Planning without knowing the rules is very much possible, and I think Daisuke has enough information to make reasonably good guesses, even if he can't be 100% sure of anything.
 
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To be fair, Tokei straight up didn't consider the possibility at all. That's pretty much the only reason Daisuke won. Thus, so long as Daisuke remembers not to underestimate his foes, he significantly reduces the risk of getting punked.

For one, he sleeps significantly less than most, so there's only a small window. Nab the Motive Achievements, and Daisuke's Energy Drain will likely be reduced by another 25% minimum.

He has a 60% chance of causing strangers to have a more positive opinion of him, which goes a long way to hinder attempts on his life. Trying to poison him through food is 50/50, and drinks literally revitalizes his various Motives.

Straight up, the easiest way to deal with him is through sheer force, be that overwhelming numbers or power. Given his various Superhuman Attributes, he's probably better than some older individuals who have lower Attributes. So he's got bit of a surprise factor there.
 
Just remember: hubris is the first step down a path that ends in eyes with red tomoe spinning in the dark.

And given the sheer number of ninja in the world, you know SOMEONE has to know Summon: Bigger Fish.
 
...Ves specifically wants to play with the game of the year mechanics of dying and doing other stuff.

We chose a hard difficulty.

We will die.
 
I doubt Ves would go "Lol Daisuke dies now". Sure he could definitely get away with that, with minimum issues, but it seems more likely Ves would at least give us a chance. That, and making the audience afraid of sudden unavoidable death or inescapable hopeless bosses is a quick route to apathy.
 
This sorta got away from me. Sorry about this. I'm not ripping on you or anything so much as trying to actually... discuss the themes, thoughts, and our respective perspectives.
I meant worry in the sense of "consider this when doing planning" rather than "have negative feelings about this". Opposite of "ignore", basically. Still, it is true that purposefully ignoring the future and wholly focusing on the present is a philosophy that I didn't take into account, probably because as you insightfully said, that philosophy isn't very western. Daisuke developing this view would satisfy my wishes for realism, yes :). I'd like for it to show a bit more in the writing about Daisuke though, but that's nitpicking.
And so was I(Re: consider this when doing planning). It's seen as strange to plan for what comes after in a lot of Non-Western religions. Unless of course a holy teacher has directly said that there's something wrong with your spirit. As we haven't had a priest talk about our warped soul yet, there's probably not a lot of reason for Daisuke to think about it.

There's also the fact that the religion of the area isn't touched on much in canon, either. It's easy to assume your own. We can guess that they're probably Shintoist from the vague trappings, the existence of Shinto shrine maidens in Filler, and so on, but it's never actually stated. Likewise, the tailed beasts partly match various folklore/religious creatures.

And of course, Naruto as a whole is a sort of pastiche of traditional story-telling. The Sannin are taken directly from Jiraiya Goketsu Monogatari. (Also, an equivalent of Rock Paper Scissors called "Slug, Snake, Frog". They exist in a deadlock, none of them stronger than the others). The main characters Sasuke, Sakura, and Naruto are almost placeholder names. Sasuke is (as I think I've mentioned before) the standard Ninja Hero Name. Sakura is the standard Love Interest Name. Naruto is the standard sidekick name. Uzimaki is the standard "Strange Beast" name.

Which means, we're watching/reading/playing in a series called "Sidekick McGiantMonster" where the person who has all the power and advantages rapidly comes to realize that he's not the hero of this story(Sasuke's arc), the Love Interest realizes she has to take care of herself first, and the Sidekick realizes that his worth comes from more than just the approval from others he's sought his whole life(granted, by being so loud that they can't ignore him, but hey).

So it's pretty safe to assume that the Ninja religion is Shinto Adjacent. Western Ideals don't apply. Even heavily religious folks over there don't seem religious to us because it's very personal. Until it comes up what his beliefs are, it's a little silly to try to act on them or force your own. I mean, that's just my opinion.

I did offer a spiritual path in one of my omakes, where Daisuke reads the Book of Five Rings which has a decent chunk of it devoted to philosophy. That was predicated on the idea that the state religion of the Samurai State would look like something from one of the philosophy and religious books written by a bushi/warrior. In which death is accepted as a given, and thus the only things that matter are finding Your Path and not having anything to regret when you pass, be it five minutes from now, or five years.

That is, I think, something that's hard to accept from a Western perspective. Not Planning For The Afterlife is it's own plan. Accepting that you Will Die and what happens then is out of your control. The worst thing, in several Eastern cultures, was to have unfinished business and obsessions. These things could bind you to the Earth and twist you into a hungry ghost of some kind. Then you wouldn't pass on to your next reincarnation. Pain and Orochimaru are horror stories, people who are fighting the natural order and trying to take control of their destiny in a way that Man Wasn't Supposed To.

And what did they do? They tried to take control of their deaths, of what happens next. The fact that our method is to go with the universe(given what we've seen) puts us in a better light and situation, to be sure. But trying to game things for the next life is generally a way to earn the universes disapproval in those sort of narratives.

Also, Daisuke is 13. A lot of people don't really gain appreciation for their own mortality until their early twenties. Even as a ninja, he's a little young to be worried about this stuff.
 
Yes. It call summoning jutsu. Ask the 3 Sannin about it.

. . . I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

I'm fully aware of the summoning contracts, and in fact altered the typical name of the meme to fit Naruto-style jutsu usage.

That's literally the joke.

Also, both the Third Hokage and Kakashi have signed summoning contracts as well (monkies and dogs, respectively). And I strongly suspect Gai and Lee have signed the PUNCH summoning contract.
 
. . . I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

I'm fully aware of the summoning contracts, and in fact altered the typical name of the meme to fit Naruto-style jutsu usage.

That's literally the joke.

Also, both the Third Hokage and Kakashi have signed summoning contracts as well (monkies and dogs, respectively). And I strongly suspect Gai and Lee have signed the PUNCH summoning contract.
I know you're making a little bit of a joke, but Gai does in fact have a summoning contract. Gai's is with Ningame, the Ninja Tortoise.

For everyone's reference, the summons we see are: Bees, Cats, Catfish, Centipedes, Clams, Chameleons, Chimeras, Crows, Dogs, Hawks, Japanese giant salamanders, Koi, Marlins, Moles, Monkeys, Ninken, Owls, Oxes, Pandas, Rhinoceros, Slugs, Snakes, Spiders, Strombidae, Tapirs, Toads, Tortoises, Weasels, and Yōkai. I'm probably missing someone as some are anime only. Hell, I know the Conch King(Strombidae) is anime only.

And no, I'm not an obsessive fan. I don't think I ever got past the retrieval arch. I'm an obsessive researcher. I started looking this stuff up after I got into this quest.

Edit: I think it might be amusing to get Ninja Peacocks. It makes sense in a weird way. They're associated with wealth, dignity, compassion and protecting others. In Japanese folklore they have the ability to sense and cure poison, and eat snakes. They've also got the ability to call down rains.

Where or how we'd get a Peacock summon is a matter for another day.
 
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I doubt Ves would go "Lol Daisuke dies now". Sure he could definitely get away with that, with minimum issues, but it seems more likely Ves would at least give us a chance. That, and making the audience afraid of sudden unavoidable death or inescapable hopeless bosses is a quick route to apathy.
I agree with you whats the point of getinginvesting in character if everything that's accomplished is washed away? I'm out when he does even if Ves continues the quest.
 
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