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Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest

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Dimensionist said:
Either way, let's hope Kakashi isn't our teacher, because there's a damn good chance we'd fail the exam he set, probably because we know beforehand what it is.
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Plus, Kakashi himself passed the bell test by finding out what it was, but not caring about actual teamwork. He'd probably bar us from trying it like that, since he feels guilty over his dick kid self possibly being the cause of Rin's death.
 
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i like the analysis, but do try to make some space between sentences. The wall of text is a bit on the heavy side.

I agree with everything.

I'll also add that i had to FORCE myself to continue watch Naruto The Last, which surprised be as i'm a huge naruxhina shipper and i loved the idea of a movie about them. Instead I found it mostly boring.
 
RedV said:
Plus, Kakashi himself passed the bell test by finding out what it was, but not caring about actual teamwork. He'd probably bar us from trying it like that, since he feels guilty over his dick kid self possibly being the cause of Rin's death.
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Did not know that, actually.

Pittauro said:
i like the analysis, but do try to make some space between sentences. The wall of text is a bit on the heavy side.

I agree with everything.

I'll also add that i had to FORCE myself to continue watch Naruto The Last, which surprised be as i'm a huge naruxhina shipper and i loved the idea of a movie about them. Instead I found it mostly boring.
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Okay, I'll add some spaces.
 
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Dimensionist said:
Also, Gai'd be solidly S-rank by the 5th Gate, at the very least. Chances are, he'd at least be approaching it at base - the man's a beast (pun intended). Kisame really shouldn't be used as a demarcation point of an S-rank shinobi - yeah, he'd have trouble with Jiraiya, but Jiraiya's pretty damn strong as it is. Yeah, Itachi's more of a threat, but Itachi's one of the strongest non-Otsutsuki or Otsutsuki-related ninjas in the setting, so that's not saying much. This is still the guy who went toe to toe with the 8-tailed jinchuriki, a ninja who is himself solidly in the upper ranks of S-ranks, and would have won quite convincingly if not for a last-minute betrayal by his own sword (which was actually part of his plan, but I digress). Kisame's one of the stronger ninjas in the Akatsuki.
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Even if I accept Kisame is above the average S-rank, he was facing Gai after he'd fought Nine Tails Naruto, and Bee, both of whom landed hits on him and are solidly S-ranks on their own.

Plus, he didn't have Samehada on him at the time.

This stuff should be considered before saying that Kisame's so strong that he's not a good benchmark to put Gai's strength at. Even when facing a 30% clone of Kisame, Gai had to go to Gate 6. Against the injured, no Samehada but more chakra Kisame, Gai had to open Gate 7 before beating him.

For this reason, I still think Gai with 6 Gates is an S rank. Not that the specific Gate seems to matter - Gai always goes directly to Gate 6 in Shippuden in high level fights, so I don't recall if he ever fought with 5 Gates open*. He probably prefers to be able to use Morning Peacock.

*E: I checked, and he does, but it is in filler and 5 Gates Gai is roughly equivalent to the Nine Tails Clone Kabuto made (so Naruto's Version 2 Jinchuriki form, but not near Nine Tails Chakra Mode).
 
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RedV said:
Even if I accept Kisame is above the average S-rank, he was facing Gai after he'd fought Nine Tails Naruto, and Bee, both of whom landed hits on him and are solidly S-ranks on their own.

Plus, he didn't have Samehada on him at the time.
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The attack that put the most hurt on him was Gai's own attack, though.

This stuff should be considered before saying that Kisame's so strong that he's not a good benchmark to put Gai's strength at. Even when facing a 30% clone of Kisame, Gai had to go to Gate 6. Against the injured, no Samehada but more chakra Kisame, Gai had to open Gate 7 before beating him.

For this reason, I still think Gai with 6 Gates is an S rank. Not that the specific Gate seems to matter - Gai always goes directly to Gate 6 in Shippuden in high level fights, so I don't recall if he ever fought with 5 Gates open. He probably prefers to be able to use Morning Peacock.
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TBH, it doesn't seem like he had to go to 6th Gate to take on 30% Kisame. Seems more like he went there to finish the fight as quick as he could without compromising his effectiveness. He dealt with 30% Kisame fairly trivially.
 
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Ipslon said:
I suppose that was kind of unfair. It's just that I'm a bit put off by the amount of hate the people here have for Naruto, and you were acting kind of surprised by him doing things he did in canon. In any case, for my failure I am honor-bound to produce this monstrosity. I hope you accept it as a token of reconciliation.

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I'm sorry and I love you
 
Dimensionist said:
Did not know that, actually.
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The relevant episode is Shippuden Episode 360, if you're interested.

Dimensionist said:
TBH, it doesn't seem like he had to go to 6th Gate to take on 30% Kisame. Seems more like he went there too finish the fight as quick as he could without compromising his effectiveness. He dealt with 30% Kisame fairly trivially.
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I think the problem here is that the Eight Gates are all powerful multipliers. Opening even one Gate can take you from a power level of 300 to a power level of 800. There is no controlled gradation where you can reach 500 by partially opening a Gate.

Hence, it is either all or nothing. This also fits how Guy's later fights go - he can't do much to Madara in 7 Gates, but then he opens the Eighth and then stomps the same dude. He can't deal with real Kisame's ninjutsu in Gate 6, but then opens Gate 7 and bam he stomps again.

Like, if clone Kisame's power level is 400 and 5 Gates is 300, 6 Gates is 800 and stomps but 5 Gates is at a disadvantage. Gai can't partially open a Gate or modulate his powers that much to reach precisely 400 or 450 and so give clone Kisame a equal fight. Not that he'd want to; the Eight Gates are probably best used in bursts.
 
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RedV said:
The relevant episode is Shippuden Episode 360, if you're interested.


I think the problem here is that the Eight Gates are all powerful multipliers. Opening even one Gate can take you from a power level of 300 to a power level of 800. There is no controlled gradation where you can reach 500 by partially opening a Gate.

Hence, it is either all or nothing. This also fits how Guy's later fights go - he can't do much to Madara in 7 Gates, but then he opens the Eighth and then stomps the same dude. He can't deal with real Kisame's ninjutsu in Gate 6, but then opens Gate 7 and bam he stomps again.

Like, if clone Kisame's power level is 400 and 5 Gates is 300, 6 Gates is 800 and stomps but 5 Gates is at a disadvantage. Gai can't partially open a Gate or modulate his powers that much to reach precisely 400 or 450 and so give clone Kisame a equal fight. Not that he'd want to; the Eight Gates are probably best used in bursts.
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All this talk on power-levels and no mention of units.

Is this ratio wise or units? If units what are we using, Raditz?
 
[X] No. You have far better things to focus your time on than forcing your grades up past four more people. You'll let this one go.

Gonna go with this because I feel like having more free time to do other things. But if we end up shooting for the top I won't be unhappy about it. Really, I think both choices could be interesting so I don't mind either way.
 
Trinity Reformed said:
All this talk on power-levels and no mention of units.

Is this ratio wise or units? If units what are we using, Raditz?
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Sakura, of course. Her power level is probably the lowest common divisor of the power level of anyone important, sadly ;)

(Not really in case anyone thinks I'm ragging on Sakura - I like her! This is a joke)
 
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veekie said:
Sakura is the wildcard, were they picking her for a specific reason or did they just enjoy watching tween relationship drama?
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I'm leaning the "Uchiha Repopulation" angle here. If anyone was going to manage to get pregnant by Sasuke before he got himself killed on a revenge scheme, it was going to be his already-attracted-to-him teammate who was likely going to be with him and around him for years and during puberty. Ino wouldn't work for that due to being a clan heir and the politics involved in that, so Sakura was probably selected as a higher tier clanness ninja who would have provided decent genes to for a base for the next Uchiha generation.

As seen in Boruto, it worked.

veekie said:
I'm...not seeing a specific pattern for this team here, likely to be reshuffled by events.
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It's already been stated that the team was selected for tactical and strategic reasons rather than specific political reasons, but Kurenai being a Genjutsu specialist means that she needs to be Jonin Tier Detail Oriented which she could pass on to a Tracking Squad, as well as teach them how to notice environmental Genjutsu that would be employed to distract them.

On the topic of Genjutsu, Sakura actually going on and learning Genjutsu would be the niche she's looking to fill I think. Genjutsu is basically Chakra Based Trapping that you don't need to pre-deploy, though there are Genjutsu that you can in fact pre-deploy iirc.
 
And vote is closed. Likely no update today but hopefully tomorrow.
Adhoc vote count started by Vesvius on Oct 28, 2018 at 1:37 PM, finished with 303 posts and 143 votes.
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Walliseatscheese said:
I'm leaning the "Uchiha Repopulation" angle here. If anyone was going to manage to get pregnant by Sasuke before he got himself killed on a revenge scheme, it was going to be his already-attracted-to-him teammate who was likely going to be with him and around him for years and during puberty. Ino wouldn't work for that due to being a clan heir and the politics involved in that, so Sakura was probably selected as a higher tier clanness ninja who would have provided decent genes to for a base for the next Uchiha generation.
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If this was the plan, it really was genius. Sakura was going to spend 90% of her time with these guys, and we either have the next Uchiha or Minato's descendant, both of whose bloodlines are pretty powerful. She has no bloodline of her own so we don't have to worry that the bloodlines will mix into some weird abomination.

I see Hiruzen's been taking lessons from Hiashi.
 
Say, how is sasuke in this quest compare to canon? With us here, he should be stronger at taijutsu and social skills. Some of his other skills being somewhat better too since he's likely train harder due to the fact that his classmate are better. He's mostly stay in background, so we haven't seen his progress yet. And Sakura and Ino are clearly much stronger, though naruto should still be the same since we almost never interact with him.
 
Avalon said:
Just cause I don't really see Daisuke willingly being mediocre this time, he's seen what that's like in his first life after all. While Sasuke does it for revenge and Naruto does it to be hokage. I just feel Daisuke just wants to be the best, to really prove himself to himself.

It's one thing to try and fail, but willingly giving up halfway? No way.
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I actually forgot about that. I've been swayed:
[] Yes. You'll go for the Rookie of the Year spot, the achievement that goes with it, and everything it entails.

Edit: RIP
 
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Just curious, but does Hinata still have like zero self confidence/bullied by the other students for having the Byakugan(which is apparently canon)
 
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