The 4 are capable of very long term plans, it is fully capable of them to not corrupt a society if they see a reason to. And a mere 30 star systems does not impress. A single scrapcode attack would have wiped the Interex out, since they used unprotected AI.
Expect there is not proof for that, you're walking off nothing but speculation. We don't know much about the Index or their relationship with chaos expect they didn't have corruption and were a threat enough that Chaos had to cause a war.
 
And Eldar gave Interex a few instrutions about Chaos.

Speaking of, is Eldrad born during or before Age of Strife? The sources is conflicted, I asked because he and other Eldars would also sense Kairo's death.
 
The beauty of this coalition to form and exist wasn't managed by chaos that's completely true the fact they had no trouble with chaos despite having active chaos implements on their planets makes them a chaos Pawn. There are records of Worlds falling just from someone viewing not reading a page of a chaos book and there was a literal demon blade in one of their museums the fact that their worlds hadn't Fallen to chaos already or there wasn't major chaos infections seems to suggest there was a tacit agreement on Chaos's part not to fuck them in this moment for the express purposes of getting bigger fish.

Except they were already warned about Chaos by the eldar.

I think people are substantially over-estimating the value of anti-Chaos wards. Chaos seems unlikely to actually attack us on home ground. That's just asking for their servants to be converted or processed into resources.

The Wards do nothing to stop them blockading us, or chucking cyclonic torpedoes at the planet, or a host of other unpleasantness.

They just mean they going to fund any battle for the orbitals very hard .

They'd also find any battle for the orbitals very had if we can use Wyldshaping to massively accelerate our industrial buildup.

Importantly, we now know we only have a decade before the Emperor gets here. We have a lot to do before then. It would make our life much easier if we can radially accelerate our development.

The combined of Endless Resources, Wyldshaping, and Machine Spirits seems to me to be the best way to do this.

It also means we can do things like create species of partner demons much more safely.

Terraforming seems more useful than the anti chaos wards tbh, we already have lorgar for the anti chaos as the anathema.
 
[X] Plan: 3 different ways to say "I Love You" & we have a blessed fount of infinite water
i just realized that with the world soul being a fusion of nature and machine(motive force), my random Minecraft ending poem reference on how humans are the cool sauce cause we are connected to nature (tradition) & machine (progress) was validated

feeling good on the hours of time wasted

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know that i think about it, because of the warp being a dimension that exists out of space-time, that speech lorgar gave to the tribe effectively created a warp narrative where nature-machine unity being a part of humanity and Man's connection to existence was a truth in the past, present, and future, being prophesied, made true and was always been
 
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Expect there is not proof for that, you're walking off nothing but speculation. We don't know much about the Index or their relationship with chaos expect they didn't have corruption and were a threat enough that Chaos had to cause a war.
I think you need to read what you wrote, chaos corrupts the only way they could possible be free of corruption is if Chaos was deliberately not corrupting them. Their will always be people, willing to buy what chaos is selling, and you only need 1 guy to open a warp portal, and doom a world. So they options are that Chaos was not corrupting the Interex on purpose, or the Interex utilized constant deep mind reading, and killed people at risk. The Interex where nothing but a plan to deliver chaos items, to Space Marines and the Primarch hands, one that worked mind.

The only thing that has ever threatened chaos is the Emperor, to the point that their war with the Emperor is the only time the Chaos gods resorted to their options of last resort. That being the 4 chaos gods setting aside their hatred of each other, and actually working together.
 
Expect there is not proof for that, you're walking off nothing but speculation. We don't know much about the Index or their relationship with chaos expect they didn't have corruption and were a threat enough that Chaos had to cause a war.
Except they were already warned about Chaos by the eldar.
They had warning from the Eldar but they thought the Imperium of mankind was chaos or working with chaos and then still invited them to diplomacy talks. They also thought this while there was only one chaos Space Marine Mr my name is Darkness Erebus himself and he's the one who breaks into the museum to stab Horus with that chaos dagger. The Interex knew more about chaos and generally interspecies relations then the Imperium did but they had no actual cycle protocols or actual Security on a chaos artifact in one of their museums and they invited what they suspected to be chaos tainted individuals into peace talks with their ambassadors holy shit.
 
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The Interex where nothing but a plan to deliver chaos items, to Space Marines and the Primarch hands, one that worked mind.
No? That isn't what I recall from the books at all, also you are leaving out the fact that Interex had eldar advice on the 4. Whih while not perfect, there is a reason they don't fall. Your both giving chaos way to much credit and giving humans not enough. Given we know its possible to have a human civ hold out aginst the 4 without falling.

The Interex new more about chaos and generally interspecies relations then the Imperium did but they had no actual cycle protocols or actual Security on a chaos artifact in one of their museums and they invited what they suspected to be chaos tainted individuals into peace talks with their ambassadors holy shit.
Nooo? They didn't think the Imperium of mankind was chaos where the fuck are you pulling that from? Erebus did ruin it but that is Erebus role.
 
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[] Level up proposal
-[] Thalasa
--[] Lore of Flesh 4 (40 XP)
Sadly we cannot get Lore of Flesh 5 yet, we are 11 XP short, but we should be able to get it next turn so that is something to look forward to. In the meantime it's a power she can use without taking up slots so we should buy what we can
--[] Psychoportation 5 (8 XP)
--[] Bank 1 XP
Given that she does get full XP I am confident she will get at least 19 XP next turn to get Lore of Flesh 5 so I am spending the 8 here to give her the maximum repositioning power, given that she is our artillery this is very useful IMO
-[] Fan
--[] Yozi Adjoran
Surprise negotiators are great and this is where we find SGI which is even more great since it might be more AP
--[] Merit Charmed Existence (15 XP)
This helps with the really hard rolls... which is to say the most impactful rolls, we can ignore a 1 from every roll we make
--[] Code of Honor (6 HP)
+2 Willpower dice as long as we abide by Fan's standards, most of our greatest powers are willpower based
--[] Mutation: Double Extra Speed (18 XP)
More actions in combat are priceless since there is always more stuff we can do and as we have seen the enemy is often unnaturally fast, even giant animated statues
-[] Lorgar
--[] Lore of Light 1 (4 XP)
--[] Extra Speed (9 XP)
We don't quite have enough XP to give him the full suit, but one more action is still very valuable for him
--[] Merit Charmed Existence (15 XP)
This is as valuable for him as anyone else since it lets him ignore a 1 each roll, ones being the bane of people with a lot of dice in this system
-[] Dharok
--[] Lore of Light 3 (12 XP)
--[] Bank 9 XP
It was either this or psyker powers and he can get the latter with wishes. The real prize is Lore of Light 5 but we are still a ways off
 
No? That isn't what I recall from the books at all, also you are leaving out the fact that Interex had eldar advice on the 4. Whih while not perfect, there is a reason they don't fall. Your both giving chaos way to much credit and giving humans not enough. Given we know its possible to have a human civ hold out aginst the 4 without falling.


Nooo? They didn't think the Imperium of mankind was chaos where the fuck are you pulling that from? Erebus did ruin it but that is Erebus role.
"Tull gazed at Loken for a long, silent moment, as if judging his options. Finally, he shrugged and said, 'Kaos is a primal force of the cosmos. It resides within the Immaterium… what you call the warp. It is a source of the most malevolent and complete corruption and evil. It is the greatest enemy of mankind – both interex and Imperial, I mean – because it destroys from within, like a canker. It is insidious. It is not like a hostile alien form to be defeated or expunged. It spreads like a disease. It is at the root of all sorcery and magic. It is…'

He hesitated and looked at Loken with a pained expression. 'It is the reason we have kept you at arm's length. You have to understand that when we first made contact, we were exhilarated, overjoyed. At last. At last! Contact with our lost kin, contact with Terra, after so many generations. It was a dream we had all cherished, but we knew we had to be careful. In the ages since we last had contact with Terra, things might have changed. An age of strife and damnation had passed. There was no guarantee that the men, who looked like men, and claimed to come from Terra in the name of a new Terran Emperor, might not be agents of Kaos in seemly guise. There was no guarantee that while the men of the interex remained pure, the men of Terra might have become polluted and transformed by the ways of Kaos.'

'We are not—'Let me finish, Loken. Kaos, when it manifests, is brutal, rapacious, warlike. It is a force of unquenchable destruction. So the Eldar have taught us, and the Kinebrach, and so the pure men of the interex have stood to check Kaos wherever it rears its warlike visage. Tell me, captain, how warlike do you appear? Vast and bulky, bred for battle, driven to destroy, led by a man you happily title Warmaster? War master? What manner of rank is that? Not Emperor, not commander, not general, but Warmaster. The bluntness of the term reeks of Kaos. We want to embrace you, yearn to embrace you, to join with you, to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, but we fear you, Loken. You resemble the enemy we have been raised from birth to anticipate. The all-conquering, unrelenting daemon of Kaos-war. The bloody-handed god of annihilation."

They to the face of one of the loyal non-chaos corrupted Space Marines accuse the Imperium of being chaos for having a war master which is not a bad thing in general to be cautious of because that seems like it might be a Lord of blood title I won't deny it but then they completely Miss Erebus who is a chaos undivided Space Marine. Again they know more about chaos than pretty much any other humans we ever get to see that doesn't make them good at actually identifying or dealing with it. The fact that use unprotected Ai and for some reason haven't already fucking died from inviting a what they suspect to be a chaos Primark onto their planet is fucking insane.

The fact of the matter is they had a dagger specifically meant for Horus on their planet and then immediately when that dagger that is meant for Horus is stolen they do not launch an investigation they declare war on the Imperial which is just as suspicious as it is stupid. They are a local power with 30 Stars less than fucking Ultramar at the beginning of the Crusade and they want to pick a fight with the Imperium near the end it doesn't matter how good their tech is sheer numbers would dictate they will lose this battle and they did they lost the battle one war where they partially win and then they die in an off-screen paragraph.
"We hold the weapons of the Kinebrach here.," Naud said, to meturge accompaniment. "Indeed, we preserve here, in careful stasis, examples of the weapons used by many of the alien species we have encountered. The Kinebrach have, as a sign of service to us, foresworn the bearing of arms, unless such circumstances as we grant them said use in times of war. Kinebrach technology is highly advanced, and many of their weapons are deemed too lethal to be left behind securement."

"Surely, general commander, a blade is just a blade?" Sindermann asked politely. "These daggers here, for instance. How are these weapons 'too lethal to be left beyond securement?'"

"They are tailored weapons," Naud replied. "Blades of sentient metal, crafted by the Kinebrach metallurgists, a technique now completely forbidden. We call them Anathames. When such a blade is selected for use against a specific target, it becomes that person's nemesis, utterly inimical to the person being chosen."

"How?" Sindermann pressed.

Naud smiled. "The Kinebrach have never been able to explain it to us. It is a factor of the forging process that defies technical evaluation."

"Like a curse?" Prompted Sindermann. "An enchantment?"

The aria generated by the meturge players around them hiccuped slightly over those words. To Sindermann's surprise, Naud replied, "I suppose that is how you could describe it, iterator."
No one is saying that chaos is responsible for the makeup and the diplomacy and the peace and prosperity of the Interex but we are saying that a lot of that comes from the fact that chaos is a specifically not messing with them. At least not in ways that aren't extremely overt.
 
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I wonder how the Eldar will react to what we did or are they too busy not getting their souls eaten

Eldrad probably felt it, he was already a freak of nature by 30K, the paths may not have existed... but he was already more of less lost on the Path of the Seer regardless.

Hm, @DragonParadox, Fan Morgal would still have 10 XP left, enough to buy Essence-Dissecting Stare. Essence-Dissecting Stare is a prerequisite for Heuristic Logos Shintai.

Makes sense. Will add in the final plan
 
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Given we have this;



I'm not sure we need Charmed Existence.

Forgot Excellencies did that too. While we could theoretically roll 1 on the same die twice that seems unlikely enough not to be worth the cost... which I think means we put those XP into chasing the Shintai. when some kind of monstrosity from beyond time and space inevitably shows up again to fight us I want to be able to show them how it's done. :V
 
Forgot Excellencies did that too. While we could theoretically roll 1 on the same die twice that seems unlikely enough not to be worth the cost... which I think means we put those XP into chasing the Shintai. when some kind of monstrosity from beyond time and space inevitably shows up again to fight us I want to be able to show them how it's done. :V
I want to buy more Cecelyne charms and getting the prayer ones is the key to stop worshiping the chaos gods unknowingly. Our knowledge rolls in the end are affected by our charms after all.

Penitents Like Scattered Grains
Prerequisite Charms: Demonic Primacy of Essence, Essence 2.

The individual mortals who pray to an Infernal are as meaningless as individual grains of sand. Still, it is by the accretion of many grains that deserts come to be. This Charm allows the Exalt to hear individual prayers spoken from places of desolation as though she were a spirit. Actually listening to all prayers imposes a +3 difficulty to all non-reflexive actions; if the Infernal tunes them out, the Storyteller only relays the most widely repeated or urgently spoken prayers.

ED Or more shintai charms, we only have some left
 
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Eldrad probably felt it, he was already a freak of nature by 30K, the paths may not have existed... but he was already more of less lost on the Path of the Seer regardless.

Depends on the source, Eldrad may not have been born at the time of the Fall. Even by M37 there's a source that says that he wasn't the lead Farseer of Ulthwe yet, or was a Pre-Fall Ex-Priestess of Morai-Heg.

Forgot Excellencies did that too. While we could theoretically roll 1 on the same die twice that seems unlikely enough not to be worth the cost... which I think means we put those XP into chasing the Shintai. when some kind of monstrosity from beyond time and space inevitably shows up again to fight us I want to be able to show them how it's done. :V

Or ED Disguise charms.

Although I'd probably go for Essence Dissecting Stare and Counter-Conceptuap Interposition.
 
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Personally I would drop the chaos wards for wyldshaping, we are going to be rapidly expanding, to the point that if chaos has forces on the planet we should have already lost.
 
Wait a second... we have a world-soul, which means Lorgar and Dharok can buy Gifts. We do not need Code of Honor to buff willpower for wild-shaping. Lorgar can just get Strength of Will.

Sure we would have to both be on the action, but given his bonkers social dice pool that gift would max out our pool for the purposes of Wild -shaping
 
You dont? You need Spirit of the Living World charm for that.

If you mean Wyldshaping, the planet may count as such but it does not grant you an actual Inner World.

I think what DP means is not that Fan has a WorldSoul, but that Colchis does. Which means that Lorgar can bargain with it for Gifts.
 
You dont? You need Spirit of the Living World charm for that.

If you mean Wyldshaping, the planet may count as such but it does not grant you an actual Inner World.

No I meant Dharok and Lorgar can just get gifts from the World, unless I am misunderstanding something we lacked a source of external gifts other than the machine god before, but we do have one now. They can be shamans of the World-Soul the way the Rune-Priests and the Storm Seers can
 
I think what DP means is not that Fan has a WorldSoul, but that Colchis does. Which means that Lorgar can bargain with it for Gifts.
No I meant Dharok and Lorgar can just get gifts from the World, unless I am misunderstanding something we lacked a source of external gifts other than the machine god before, but we do have one now. They can be shamans of the World-Soul the way the Rune-Priests and the Storm Seers can
.....huh. Yeah and since he was the one who rezed it, he is now beloved of the Spirits. They all are.

Need to go back and see the backgrounds and update them.

All 4 can buy gifts.
 
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