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Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)

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We really need Unlimited Resources that lets us turn out entire Fleets constantly. We can piece, by piece lock down the entire galaxy. Being able to just send 10,000 strong fleet to lock down a sector, and then next decade send another 10,000 strong fleet to secure another sector. Pirates not a problem, Orks dead on arrival, Dark Elder repulsed etc.

Unlimited Resources allows us to project power across the galaxy, without the logistical issues caused by/with the Warp Travel limitations.
 
Hm, Fan Morgal has enough XP for 6 Charms of She Who Lives in Her Name.

As for Lorgar, well, he has enough for 2 Mythos powers. Alternatively, he could raise a Lore to 3 dots. He could also buy 1 Mythos power and 2 dots for a Lore.

By the by, looking at Lorgar's updated character sheet, one would presume that the Enemy background can be removed, what with Kairos, well, being dead.
 
Lord4StarCommand said:
Though since I'm a xeno fan hopefully we see xeno civilizations as well and be the amicable types like Diasporex and Interex.
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Tzaphquiel said:
Indeed. One would very much like Fan Morgal and Lorgar to create something like the Interex on a larger scale, seeking a better future for not just humans but other species as well.
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I don't want to be a sourpuss but they're just aren't that many aliens humans only so populous because we took every planet the Eldar couldn't be bothered with even if that meant going on slow ship before we discovered warp travel. When the long night happens and the death of the eldari Empire happens chaos and the Orcs run rampant into the Galaxy the Interex are specifically guarded against the predictions of Chaos because it's a cat's paw for schemes that are made centuries in advance and the Diasporex are essentially Federation survivors who had the unique situation of multiple species stuck together rather than withdrawing and attempting to take everything for themselves so they survive and they keep their Fleet of ships and their solar collectors it's smart but it's a relatively unique situation. The long night wasn't just for mankind it was for every species mankind intertwined itself with and a lot of them because humanity and aliens retreated or attempted to take everything from themselves don't survive humanity is insanely diminished and we took every possible opportunity to take everything in the Galaxy we possibly could and we still know that thousands if not tens of thousands of planets just didn't make it.
 
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Yzarc said:
This is canon. There was, apparently, only one path to Humanity's salvation and it failed right as Magnus broke into the Webway. After that the Emperor was basically winging it from then on.
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Not really, even the other perpetuals were against it. His insistence on the golden path doomed humanity and turned away his allies.

Somnia said:
With his Golden Path rendered obsolete its possible that the Imperium doesn't need to be horrible anymore, your forgetting that the only reason the Imperium was so bad was because Emps thought he had no choice that it was the only way for humanity to survive. After the crusade was over he planned on retirement. And he was going to hand it over too Humanity. It's to bad it was a Chaos plot made to corrupt him into a 5th chaos god.
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With the golden path gone, he doesn't need to conquer the galaxy anymore.

Earth-Destroyer said:
We really need Unlimited Resources that lets us turn out entire Fleets constantly. We can piece, by piece lock down the entire galaxy. Being able to just send 10,000 strong fleet to lock down a sector, and then next decade send another 10,000 strong fleet to secure another sector. Pirates not a problem, Orks dead on arrival, Dark Elder repulsed etc.

Unlimited Resources allows us to project power across the galaxy, without the logistical issues caused by/with the Warp Travel limitations.
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That's a good argument for it, but what would you want to switch it out for? Terraforming is a must have, anti chaos wards could be swapped out since we have anathema Lorgar.

Lord4StarCommand said:
Though since I'm a xeno fan hopefully we see xeno civilizations as well and be the amicable types like Diasporex and Interex.
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Bound to be a lot, maybe we can encounter them if we spam fleets with unlimited resources.
 
Mostlyblue said:
Not really, even the other perpetuals were against it. His insistence on the golden path doomed humanity and turned away his allies.
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Yes, hence the use of the Word "apparently".

Either way, the future is dead and now all that remains are actions and consequences.
Mostlyblue said:
With the golden path gone, he doesn't need to conquer the galaxy anymore.
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Things like the Rangadam and the Beast Orks are still things. But yeah, the Great Crusade is going to undergo changes in what goals it wants to achieve.
 
Yzarc said:
2. Lore and Background: You can write pieces of lore, character backstory, or world-building details that add depth to the setting and characters but don't affect gameplay mechanics. This is based on the omake.
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does that mean the List is canon? the only other bonus that makes sense is 4. with Mal going "oh yeah, he did to that . . . not bad 👏 "
 
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Yzarc said:
Yes, hence the use of the Word "apparently".

Either way, the future is dead and now all that remains are actions and consequences.

Things like the Rangadam and the Beast Orks are still things. But yeah, the Great Crusade is going to undergo changes in what goals it wants to achieve.
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I presume Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar would still present a real and lurking danger then. They are disorganised yes but they are around. Trazyn too. If we aren't careful, Trazyn or Orikan could drop by and play around.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
We really need Unlimited Resources that lets us turn out entire Fleets constantly. We can piece, by piece lock down the entire galaxy. Being able to just send 10,000 strong fleet to lock down a sector, and then next decade send another 10,000 strong fleet to secure another sector. Pirates not a problem, Orks dead on arrival, Dark Elder repulsed etc.

Unlimited Resources allows us to project power across the galaxy, without the logistical issues caused by/with the Warp Travel limitations.
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Well it is currently winning over terraforming. I think we are good.

psir11 said:
I presume Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar would still present a real and lurking danger then. They are disorganised yes but they are around. Trazyn too. If we aren't careful, Trazyn or Orikan could drop by and play around.
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There are not Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar, there are no Paths. What exists presently are refugees of the Eldar Empire with radically different opinions on what to do in the wake of the Fall
 
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Lord4StarCommand said:
I may be wrong but didn't the human Federation had many xenos that were allies to humanity?
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The federation is mainly fanon, Humanity back then was pretty evil for the most part and too spread out to be 1 entity.

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Tzaphquiel said:
Indeed. One would very much like Fan Morgal and Lorgar to create something like the Interex on a larger scale, seeking a better future for not just humans but other species as well.
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It's a worthy goal, trying to better the galaxy. I'm all for it.
 
In terms of Yozi, I think Adorjan is significantly more useful, as we can get a surprise negator.

And the thought of Splintered Gale Shintai is great.

It also fits much better thematically with the Extra Speed Mutation.
 
Lord4StarCommand said:
I may be wrong but didn't the human Federation had many xenos that were allies to humanity?
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From what I recall, the Federation of Man sent many colony ships early on when warp travel was not a thing. When they arrived the AI wiped off any aliens on the planet and cloned humans to populate the World.

It was only after the Federation of Man was fully established that aliens were allowed in. But the Cybernetic revolt and the Fall of the Aeldar muddied all that and made it a free for all. Most friendly aliens were killed off and there were only raiders left, like the ones who had enslaved Jupiter's moons that the Emperor liberated with the new Astarties Legions.

So very much a mixed bag. There will be good aliens and bad aliens and different polity in the Imperium treat them differently.
 
Now I wonder about League Of Votann as despite being basically 40k's Ferengi they are open, reasonable and tolerant and them already having uncorrupted AIs as bretherns likely know a thing or two about Men of Stone not to mention they managed to use cloning to propagate their own kind without any cloning defect.
 
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Lord4StarCommand said:
I may be wrong but didn't the human Federation had many xenos that were allies to humanity and very tolerant? Not to mention League Of Votann that were used to be a part of Federation and is filled with abhumans and even uncorrupted AIs.
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Well Abhumans are humans and the Elder cores are weird the fact that you aren't transcendent God machines like the actual AI we see seems to suggest they are not unsimilar to Men of stone but that's largely a supposition based on the fact they look like they're made of Rock.

It's never stated how many aliens were with the Federation but it is stated that lots of them go their own way during the long night humans do it too but humans are way more populous and just as willing to commit genocide as we always are. The Diasporex are a unique situation where essentially a federation human remnant and nearby races stick together through the long night and come through it completely intact because they did so. Any others are largely left in that first category everyone makes a Scramble for resources and humans are just more populous and perfectly willing to get vicious for the resources at hand.
 
DragonParadox said:
The internal lives of the Interex and their ability to form a functional society were not personally managed by the Four Reality Cancers, no matter what they had in that one museum. That they did exist means something like them could exist.
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The beauty of this coalition to form and exist wasn't managed by chaos that's completely true the fact they had no trouble with chaos despite having active chaos implements on their planets makes them a chaos Pawn. There are records of Worlds falling just from someone viewing not reading a page of a chaos book and there was a literal demon blade in one of their museums the fact that their worlds hadn't Fallen to chaos already or there wasn't major chaos infections seems to suggest there was a tacit agreement on Chaos's part not to fuck them in this moment for the express purposes of getting bigger fish.
 
I mean it could also be the cause of they had their own method to deal with chaos and not chaos being all powerfully.
 
DragonParadox said:
The internal lives of the Interex and their ability to form a functional society were not personally managed by the Four Reality Cancers, no matter what they had in that one museum. That they did exist means something like them could exist.
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The 4 are capable of very long term plans, it is fully capable of them to not corrupt a society if they see a reason to. And a mere 30 star systems does not impress. A single scrapcode attack would have wiped the Interex out, since they used unprotected AI.
 
I think people are substantially over-estimating the value of anti-Chaos wards. Chaos seems unlikely to actually attack us on home ground. That's just asking for their servants to be converted or processed into resources.

The Wards do nothing to stop them blockading us, or chucking cyclonic torpedoes at the planet, or a host of other unpleasantness.

They just mean they going to fund any battle for the orbitals very hard .

They'd also find any battle for the orbitals very had if we can use Wyldshaping to massively accelerate our industrial buildup.

Importantly, we now know we only have a decade before the Emperor gets here. We have a lot to do before then. It would make our life much easier if we can radially accelerate our development.

The combined of Endless Resources, Wyldshaping, and Machine Spirits seems to me to be the best way to do this.

It also means we can do things like create species of partner demons much more safely.
 
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