One would have very much liked it to be Sage or Philosopher, to be sure. Hm, well, there is one last Human Aspect to fill. Sage, Philosopher, Martial Artist, Sorcerer, one would like something along those lines to be the final Human Aspect.

As to how to steer Lorgar towards something like Sage, hm, perhaps he can finally write that book of his.
 
It could work, yes. A treatise on the combination of faith, Essence, enlightenment, and martial arts. Exalted Martial Arts encompass all those areas.
 
@Yzarc is writing a book which includes his philosophy and musing enough to influence his mythos or how he present himself to the world? As a Sage or Philosopher?
 
@Yzarc is writing a book which includes his philosophy and musing enough to influence his mythos or how he present himself to the world? As a Sage or Philosopher?
Philosopher. He would also have to......well preach it to a lot of people, at least 2 to 3 planets to get it but yeah, he is close to getting champion, sage, preacher and philosopher.
 
If one might inquire about the last Light Aspect, would it be possible to gain a more abstract, metaphorical Aspect like Dawn, something pertaining to rebirth, renewal, hope, new beginnings, and the like? If so, what must Lorgar do to unlock it?
 
Sage, Philosopher, Martial Artist, Sorcerer
say what do the aspects to again, unlock mythos powers?
what do these aspects unlock specifically

Maybe a refinement of his idea of Faith and religion and codify it in a book like in Canon?
It could work, yes. A treatise on the combination of faith, Essence, enlightenment, and martial arts. Exalted Martial Arts encompass all those areas.
Region: MINECRAFT
 
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If one might inquire about the last Light Aspect, would it be possible to gain a more abstract, metaphorical Aspect like Dawn, something pertaining to rebirth, renewal, hope, new beginnings, and the like? If so, what must Lorgar do to unlock it?
Human aspect is WHO he is. So THE Rebel and THE Hero.

Holy is what he aspires to be. So Purity, enlightenment and Faith.

For Light? That is WHAT he is. So Intensity, illumination and other things that Light does.

Dawn is not something light does. Light can be distructive, it can illuminate, it can be bright (intense), it can nurture (photosynthesis), it can be warm etc.

But dawn is a Sun aspect, not Light.
 
Ah, pity. Hm, well, Photosynthesis would be a fine Aspect, as something nurturing, bringing warmth and life.

As to the final Human Aspect, hm, sage, philosopher, preacher, champion.

Hm, well, one would very much like the last Human Aspect to be Sage or Philosopher, something intellectual by its very nature.

As to the difference between sage and philosopher, hm, well, in classical philosophy, a sage is one who has attained wisdom. In Plato's Symposium, Socrates stated that the difference between sage and philosopher is that sages have what philosophers seek. Continuing onward, the analysis of love was that it is that which lacks what it seeks.

In other words, philo + sophia = love of wisdom. Philosophers love wisdom and seek it, for they do not possess it. Sages, meanwhile, do not love or seek wisdom, because they already possess it. The analysis by Socrates in that context was that there are two sorts who do not engage in philosophy. One would be gods and sages, for they are already wise. The other would be those without sense, because they believe that they are wise. A philosopher is one who is between those two categories. The philosopher is not wise but is self-aware enough to understand their lack of wisdom, therefore pursuing it.

In other words, one would hazard a guess that for Lorgar to gain the Sage Aspect, he must truly gain wisdom, become wise.
 
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Magnus has sage. Lorgar leans more towards Philosopher tbh. Sage is somethjng you are close to but it is contending against Philosopher and champion, which are "closer".
 
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Hm, well, Magnus is the archmage amongst the Primarchs, so it is unsurprising that he has the Sage Aspect. That said, if a sage is defined as one who possesses wisdom, well, canonically, Magnus could be said to have been brilliant but not wise.

Well, if Lorgar veers more towards Philosopher, then one is amenable to steering Lorgar towards that final Aspect. One very much hopes that it would be Philosopher instead of Champion, for Philosopher is intellectual by its very nature, one who pursues wisdom.

Lorgar does like philosophy, after all. It is one of his intimacies. It would only be fitting.
 
That said, if a sage is defined as one who possesses wisdom, well, canonically, Magnus could be said to have been brilliant but not wise.
Yes, but Magnus believed he had it and enough people believed it.

Also he "WAS" wise as many Primarches noted this as well. His flaw was hubris, "I know better" as it is here as well.
is their a cite/link that lists that aspects of light that can be unlocked?
[Light Aspect]
-[] Illumination
-[] Intensity
-[] Destruction
-[] Reflection
-[] Speed
-[] Radiation
-[] Warmth
-[] Nurture
-[] Refraction
-[] Energy

This is Dharok list that I filled in a bit.
 
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Hm, one might have preferred some of the other Aspects to Intensity.

Well, it is what it is.

For the last Light aspect, one would very much like it to be Nurture. Encouraging and supporting growth, as photosynthesis would demonstrate.

It is something to keep in mind, then. Lorgar will need to be steered to compiling his book and preaching it to 2 to 3 planets' worth of people for Philosopher. For Nurture, Lorgar would need to be steered to wield his light to support growth of some kind.
 
Also keep in mind synergies. Rebel, Enlightenment and illumination were the reason why Lorgar unlocked his Mythos list and could outright purchase them, something no other Primarch currently can.
 
question, lets say that Lorgar gains the Philosopher aspect, and later on he gains enough wisdom that he can be considered "wise" and eligible for the sage aspect

what happens? does he lose his Philosopher and trade it for the Sage aspect or will he stay a Philosopher and continually seek out wisdom?
 
question, lets say that Lorgar gains the Philosopher aspect, and later on he gains enough wisdom that he can be considered "wise" and eligible for the sage aspect

what happens? does he lose his Philosopher and trade it for the Sage aspect or will he stay a Philosopher and continually seek out wisdom?
Nope. Once you gain an aspect, it is fixed unless you fall to chaos or similar, loosing say the Archetype human for Daemon.

This is why Daemon Lorgar wanted this Lorgar to gain the Prophit Aspect.
 
@Yzarc would Imaginal Mantra help with reducing some of the difficulty of Wild-shaping in real space, fluff wise it feels like it might, but it depends on how you interpret the relationship between WoD fey stuff and Warhammer Warp stuff.
Any Spirit derived powers will not reduce difficulty as they come from the Warp.

You will need sorecery, Charms/Artifacts or a Warp rift.

Those are the only things that would work.
 
Hm, Philosopher would probably be more suitable, in any case. As the saying goes, the more you know, the more you realize you do not know.

The pursuit of wisdom is a journey that never ends. One should never cease pursuing wisdom, even if one is wise.
 
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Any Spirit derived powers will not reduce difficulty as they come from the Warp.

You will need sorecery, Charms/Artifacts or a Warp rift.

Those are the only things that would work.

So we could give Thalassa a psychana specialization and make something to help, that is one option. Where would we get sorcery from though...?

Dharok could design something, but he is likely to be slow given that it's a Tertiary roll for him. There is a mutation that can help with that but... I wonder if there is another way. If we could get our hands on a Tzeench Daemon, or at least Thalassa's hands she should be able to reformat the Chaos out of it. She has the Gifts for it. I don't suppose the Covenant left any Daemon summoning books behind when they were all eaten by the undead?
 
Votes as they stand. Will close this in a few hours.
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