Dragon Kings in the 41st Millennia (Exalted/40K Empire)

We might want to hold off on many new martial arts until we have a better idea of what sort of opposition we will be facing and develop martial arts for purpose. I imagine a siege warfare martial art that uses warstriders and their intrigrated weapons as style weapons and armor would come in handy once we get that far.
 
Hmmm. How easy will it be to create/shape a spirit into a god of a particular martial art style? Then they can serve as a tutor for everyone in exchange for festivals in their honor, and so forth. Plus I imagine that using that style to kill stuff counts as offerings to them, and so forth.
Might want to hold off if only in case the style undergoes radical changes when we finally meet the rest of the galaxy.
 
Might want to hold off if only in case the style undergoes radical changes when we finally meet the rest of the galaxy.
Other than the exalted hero styles, it is easier to make a new supernatural martial art than make alterations to an old one. This is largely a result of what supernatural martial arts are as a conceptual construct. The biggest adjustment I can think of is fitting firearms into the style weapons of martial arts that use assault crossbows as style weapons.
 
Hmmm. How easy will it be to create/shape a spirit into a god of a particular martial art style? Then they can serve as a tutor for everyone in exchange for festivals in their honor, and so forth. Plus I imagine that using that style to kill stuff counts as offerings to them, and so forth.

Making A spirit wouldn't be that hard. Making one that is a better teacher than a Dragon King who already mastered the art as well as dreamscape tutoring crystals, and various set up using lorestones or equivalent type contemplation wall scrolls. You basically need celestial level training charms or endowments to actually teach faster which means essence 6ish?

What I am saying is that a martial style god with enough followers to be able to noticeably speed training has enough followers they don't need to.
 
Damn, it all fell into place perfectly, especially the spirits.
Next turn we can finish the remaining cities and we'd PROBABLY want to rush down some Staran projects(plus whatever city specific infras got unlocked), we got our fortifications, our elites, but not yet the line mobs.
 
Damn, I just realized that the Dragon Kings probably don't have anything on the most useful thing that Exalted has for dealing with the warp: Wild shaping engines. If the Solars had won then there would have been a mobile manse-city supported by airships equipped with lesser wild shaping machines constructed in the norht of creation in order to expand the borders of creation into the wyld.
 
Damn, I just realized that the Dragon Kings probably don't have anything on the most useful thing that Exalted has for dealing with the warp: Wild shaping engines. If the Solars had won then there would have been a mobile manse-city supported by airships equipped with lesser wild shaping machines constructed in the norht of creation in order to expand the borders of creation into the wyld.
We have the Great Library. But it is unlikely that we can make anything like it with purely essence tech. Solars were far more skilled than us.

We should be able to massively improve Geller fields, however.
 
We have the Great Library. But it is unlikely that we can make anything like it with purely essence tech. Solars were far more skilled than us.

We should be able to massively improve Geller fields, however.
Yes, just making them out of Oricalium or Jade will do that. Ironically, Oricalium is one of the easiest of the magical materials to manufacture: you just need gold, a volcano, the sun and essence. It would also help with fusion reactors if we end up using them.
 
We should be able to massively improve Geller fields, however.
Jade obelisks will be doable, really expensive but doable. Plus wards of Refuge, talismans that strengthen individuals against the mutative and addictive effects of it, and thaumaturgical wards that weaken repel or weaken invaders (which I am pretty sure is basically what the gellar fields do). A powerful enough ship may be induced to form a ship god that can help.

A smaller ship that was cheaply built though would have a few small refuge shelters where the crew can rest and the working crew will have to depend on basic wards and talismans.
 
Jade obelisks will be doable, really expensive but doable. Plus wards of Refuge, talismans that strengthen individuals against the mutative and addictive effects of it, and thaumaturgical wards that weaken repel or weaken invaders (which I am pretty sure is basically what the gellar fields do). A powerful enough ship may be induced to form a ship god that can help.

A smaller ship that was cheaply built though would have a few small refuge shelters where the crew can rest and the working crew will have to depend on basic wards and talismans.
Honestly, given the size of spaceship in 40k just about all of them should have their own gods and so forth.
 
So guys, what's your opinion/ theory on the astronomy stuff? It says there will be a countdown, but to what?
 
To getting really nice astrology precog. The Dragon Kings were able to see the Contagion and the effects of it coming where the Sidereals did not. They gave the Sidereals a warning and the Sidereals laughed it off.
I did not know that, but what does this mean in context of Warhammer? Will Blue Oyster notice us after awhile, or will we learn of the contagion only to be too impotent to warn anyone back home?
 
Jade obelisks will be doable, really expensive but doable. Plus wards of Refuge, talismans that strengthen individuals against the mutative and addictive effects of it, and thaumaturgical wards that weaken repel or weaken invaders (which I am pretty sure is basically what the gellar fields do). A powerful enough ship may be induced to form a ship god that can help.

A smaller ship that was cheaply built though would have a few small refuge shelters where the crew can rest and the working crew will have to depend on basic wards and talismans.
Captial ships should be large enough to have actual geomancy right?
 
I did not know that, but what does this mean in context of Warhammer? Will Blue Oyster notice us after awhile, or will we learn of the contagion only to be too impotent to warn anyone back home?
What it means is that we will have great precognition ability if it maps out to here. The Contagion is likely butterflied away by an entire race and several really important gods being banished from Creation. Even if it is not, it would be roughly 5000 years in the future. We don't need to worry about it.
 
I did not know that, but what does this mean in context of Warhammer? Will Blue Oyster notice us after awhile, or will we learn of the contagion only to be too impotent to warn anyone back home?
That is very difficult to predict given the cosmological differences, in creation the web of fate is in a room you could walk into being maintinaed by the pattern spiders. The Dragon kings a divined something than the people who had access to that room couldn't. Not just access but limited administrative access as well. They could end up anywhere between as good as the eldar to better than the Blue Oyster.
 
We should focus on making a court for the Elementals, they are our heavy lifters when it comes to labor. Giving them that recognition should go over well. It will also make it more worth it to do the next tier of elemental summoning, which is far better.
 
Honestly, given the size of spaceship in 40k just about all of them should have their own gods and so forth.

Well that charm requires an Essence 5 god which means about 100,000 crew. Thats not impossible. For a Human ship. But kinda high for most Dragon King ships. Its also ridiculously draining, it would only be useful in conjunction with other stuff that might be overwhelmed by a wyld surge/warp storm.

Of course the idea that a Dragon King Battleship could potentially ignore a warp storm is impressive in its own right.

So guys, what's your opinion/ theory on the astronomy stuff? It says there will be a countdown, but to what?

To being able to use it. You are in another world and stars are not right. You need to build up context (and sheer learning where the stars are). So its takes a while having an observatory online before you can even start Divining with Astrology again.

Captial ships should be large enough to have actual geomancy right?

Big enough ones sure. 5km or bigger and it would almost have to have a manse. Skilled Dragon King Geomancers can manage it with a smaller ship, especially ones equipped with geomantic relays.

The Dragon kings a divined something than the people who had access to that room couldn't. Not just access but limited administrative access as well. They could end up anywhere between as good as the eldar to better than the Blue Oyster.

There is a reason I keep bringing up there skill with Astrology being only barely surpassed by Geomancy when they are literally making customized city foundation manses of incredible sophistication (they are literally worth like 30+ points out of an available 15) in only a season or two and not doing any astrology.

Enchanting unbreakable glass for thousands of glassy towers, alchemical shrubbery producing tons of literally magic potion, taming and breeding dinosaurs. All that is the stuff they are only so-so at. Geomancy and Astrology are their good skills by far.

And some times prophetic readings only reveal something like "IT HUNGERS!" or "The monster is here."

But honestly knowing something like that is close enough to screw up your readings is still more info then non seers/astrologers get.

We should focus on making a court for the Elementals, they are our heavy lifters when it comes to labor. Giving them that recognition should go over well. It will also make it more worth it to do the next tier of elemental summoning, which is far better.

True and you would probably do a better job of it then they will for themselves if they just copy the terrestrial god courts like they did in Canon.

Also scary realization. Elementals are new enough that none have become Dragons yet. Which means there is no Kukla or Gardulis. Or to be more accurate, Kukla just helped you build some forts.
 
But what does this mean for the initiated scrub like me? That they're so young that the elementals don't develop egos?
Fun story, There used to only be 5 elementals of vast might, but the Primordials broke them apart to make the elementals we know. As elementals get stronger, they become more draconic in form. Elementals are intelligent sapient beings and become more so as they get older. After a point they are called Lesser Elemental Dragons; these are as strong or stronger than many gods. But, if they keep getting older and stronger past that point, they undergo a transformation into a Greater Elemental Dragon. Greater Elemental Dragons are vastly stronger than Lesser Elemental Dragons and entirely instinctual creatures. They are incredibly dangerous and no one had any idea until the Kukla underwent the transformation first. The Kukla that StarJaunter mentioned was eventually bound by a concerted effort, but was an animate earthquake that would crack this spherical world like an egg.
 
There used to only be 5 elementals of vast might, but the Primordials broke them apart to make the elementals we know
Then, why dragons? It sounds like these progenitor elementals were formless before their destruction, so why not say.... griffins, bears or chimeric beasts?

Do the elements have a case of convergent evolution or no? Because an oil elemental sounds like it could be an oil dragon, but at the same time this evolution business sounds like they're inadvertently trying to revert to their original form.
 
Well that charm requires an Essence 5 god which means about 100,000 crew. Thats not impossible. For a Human ship. But kinda high for most Dragon King ships. Its also ridiculously draining, it would only be useful in conjunction with other stuff that might be overwhelmed by a wyld surge/warp storm.

Of course the idea that a Dragon King Battleship could potentially ignore a warp storm is impressive in its own right.
Gods do not all rely on humans or sentient beings to form. Important natural items will have gods even if no human ever sees them, and so forth.

Similarly, make a ship dedicated to itself as a prayer Ordal Shambal style.

Anyways, even minor spaceships are major undertakings. I see us having lots of essence batteries for use by the spirit, and so forth.


Hmmm. It is possible to create Desmenses, you know. Just get enough elementals in one place to spend tons of motes there and it will form of the element that did that. Has to be over 1k motes, also be careful not to do it too close to other ones or it will disrupt geomancy.
 
Then, why dragons? It sounds like these progenitor elementals were formless before their destruction, so why not say.... griffins, bears or chimeric beasts?

Do the elements have a case of convergent evolution or no? Because an oil elemental sounds like it could be an oil dragon, but at the same time this evolution business sounds like they're inadvertently trying to revert to their original form.
Gaia made the five Elemental Dragons, and their lessers grow to imitate them as they grow in potency.
The basic elementals have very great variety in form, but elder elementals just get more and more draconic.

Fun story, There used to only be 5 elementals of vast might, but the Primordials broke them apart to make the elementals we know. As elementals get stronger, they become more draconic in form. Elementals are intelligent sapient beings and become more so as they get older. After a point they are called Lesser Elemental Dragons; these are as strong or stronger than many gods. But, if they keep getting older and stronger past that point, they undergo a transformation into a Greater Elemental Dragon. Greater Elemental Dragons are vastly stronger than Lesser Elemental Dragons and entirely instinctual creatures. They are incredibly dangerous and no one had any idea until the Kukla underwent the transformation first. The Kukla that StarJaunter mentioned was eventually bound by a concerted effort, but was an animate earthquake that would crack this spherical world like an egg.
Not entirely correct on their mind or lack thereof. Or at least that has never been explicitly described
Its more that they're so wildly destructive after the transformation that nobody could afford to find out if they could be calmed. Heck, they didn't want to risk killing the Kukla, because theres so much energy in there that its death could be more devastating than its life.

Its possible that a Greater Elemental Dragons are an intermediate state before they stabilize and gain mastery over their body for instance, but Creation only had the one world, its greatly diminished, and the original manufacturers are in no condition to do repairs and replacement.

In 40k I assume we'd probably try to transport one to an unused planet first.
 
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