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Constellations (Worm/Okami)

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renegade legion has the best tanks and such imo, for Danny's conversion as they can hover at ground level, tree top, or low altitude. :)
 
I just wanted to say how much I enjoy this story. I've always been a sucker for Feel Good Redemption stories and a story about hope blooming in a setting that it absolutely has no place belonging in, like Worm, makes me feel fuzzy on the inside, for lack of a better description.

I think it's a good reminder that even when humanity is at its lowest, hope can do amazing things.

I'm riding this Feels Train and I never want to get off.
 
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Missing the hope discussion. Who'da thunk it?

Me, I really want to know what happens if the ABB go old-school chivalrous yakuza. Do the Empire go Nordic Knights to compete, or do they play the Blackhats to the slowly gaining acceptance Vigilante led group?

I doubt this fic will go that long, but damne, I really want Cauldron to look for their grimderp parahuman feudalism pilot and find a utopian theocracy based around Good doG.
 
Vox De Harlequin said:
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Please let's not get into this discussion again?
There are plenty of quotes from the author about it.
Yes we all realise he has no sense of scale.
This doesn't change the facts of the story.
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*brrrrrrr*
And you fail. Mostly at actually reading what the author said instead of going off half baked fanon.
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That is the much vaulted "get denser" quote... except it never actually says that. Ever, not once does it use the word "dense" or "density."

It's made up fanon bullshit that they get denser. The word used is tougher. Harder to damage, not denser. Copper is denser than iron, but that doesn't mean it is stronger or tougher than it. Same with lead, gold, and mercury.
 
vyor said:
*brrrrrrr*
And you fail. Mostly at actually reading what the author said instead of going off half baked fanon.
Worm Quotes and WoG Repository | Page 6

That is the much vaulted "get denser" quote... except it never actually says that. Ever, not once does it use the word "dense" or "density."

It's made up fanon bullshit that they get denser. The word used is tougher. Harder to damage, not denser. Copper is denser than iron, but that doesn't mean it is stronger or tougher than it. Same with lead, gold, and mercury.
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*sigh*
Well done you are such good at the things and words stuff [/monotone]
 
vyor said:
*brrrrrrr*
And you fail. Mostly at actually reading what the author said instead of going off half baked fanon.
Worm Quotes and WoG Repository | Page 6

That is the much vaulted "get denser" quote... except it never actually says that. Ever, not once does it use the word "dense" or "density."

It's made up fanon bullshit that they get denser. The word used is tougher. Harder to damage, not denser. Copper is denser than iron, but that doesn't mean it is stronger or tougher than it. Same with lead, gold, and mercury.
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It's a question of volume though. That calculation assumes that for every segment of volume, either 0.5% for the core body or 3% for the extremities, the damage needed to get to the next layer doubles. As we're not told about the full physical properties of whatever material this is, we're left to assume that more mass is in each layer, for the same reason that if you get enough layers of paper something like 6 or seven folds worth, the paper can stop a sword as well as steel armor from the same era (as shown by mythbusters) More mass over the same volume is a higher density.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, but it's pretty easy to see how fans reached the conclusion that it's about density. We're left to assume that Endbringers are made up of the same material all the way down. Most material components don't have their physical properties change without some chemical change, which we don't have evidence for based on Tattletale (though she may be wrong). Without that we're left to assume that there is more of said material in each layer, each layer having more material means that it has more mass, more mass with the same volume means more dense.

So perhaps another way to think of it is that instead of an Endbringer getting "denser" per say each layer down, it might be more accurate to say that there is less "empty space" the closer you get to the core?
 
AbZHz101 said:
It's a question of volume though. That calculation assumes that for every segment of volume, either 0.5% for the core body or 3% for the extremities, the damage needed to get to the next layer doubles. As we're not told about the full physical properties of whatever material this is, we're left to assume that more mass is in each layer, for the same reason that if you get enough layers of paper something like 6 or seven folds worth, the paper can stop a sword as well as steel armor from the same era (as shown by mythbusters) More mass over the same volume is a higher density.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, but it's pretty easy to see how fans reached the conclusion that it's about density. We're left to assume that Endbringers are made up of the same material all the way down. Most material components don't have their physical properties change without some chemical change, which we don't have evidence for based on Tattletale (though she may be wrong). Without that we're left to assume that there is more of said material in each layer, each layer having more material means that it has more mass, more mass with the same volume means more dense.

So perhaps another way to think of it is that instead of an Endbringer getting "denser" per say each layer down, it might be more accurate to say that there is less "empty space" the closer you get to the core?
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Except it clearly does change physical properties. The outer layers are flesh like remember? Then it becomes more crystalline? The deepest we actually see is the skeleton, which was visibly different from the rest.
 
vyor said:
Except it clearly does change physical properties. The outer layers are flesh like remember? Then it becomes more crystalline? The deepest we actually see is the skeleton, which was visibly different from the rest.
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A change in mechanical properties is different from a change in chemical properties.
Just because something looks and behaves different, doesn't mean that it actually very different at all.
Look up metallic oxygen for an example.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the difference we observe is more evidence that it is the same material in a different state, held such due to space whale reality warping.
 
Vox De Harlequin said:
A change in mechanical properties is different from a change in chemical properties.
Just because something looks and behaves different, doesn't mean that it actually very different at all.
Look up metallic oxygen for an example.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the difference we observe is more evidence that it is the same material in a different state, held such due to space whale reality warping.
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ummm... wat. By changing something's mechanical properties you are changing it's chemical ones. I mean fuck, graphite, graphene, and diamond are all carbon and each has vastly different chemical properties.

I mean, I know I'm not helping my argument with this but god damn that is a massive physics fail. Liquid metallic gasses do have different chemical properties than normal gasses.

And here's a massive piece of evidence that disproves that last bit: When the pieces come off the EBs, they stay in the same form which means it's its own stable structure. It can't possibly be the same material. Same element or group of elements? Maybe. Same material? Oh fuck no.
 
Okay, there's a point where nitpicking crosses the line into needlessly captious one-upmanship.

Please. Stop. It's effectively pointless. This discussion you're having? A non-starter. It leads nowhere, and does nothing.

I implore you. Step back, take a deep breath and ask yourself, "is this worth fighting for? Is this worth decreasing my and most likely others, enjoyment of the story? Should I let this go?"
 
MrGazzer said:
Okay, there's a point where nitpicking crosses the line into needlessly captious one-upmanship.

Please. Stop. It's effectively pointless. This discussion you're having? A non-starter. It leads nowhere, and does nothing.

I implore you. Step back, take a deep breath and ask yourself, "is this worth fighting for? Is this worth decreasing my and most likely others, enjoyment of the story? Should I let this go?"
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You're right, it's no use arguing with someone who can't into basic chemistry or physics.
 
I only started reading this story because i misread the title as "constipation" and though it was some weird crack, but so far i havent been dissapointed.

Also tea time is best time
 
Okay, apparently typing whilst half asleep makes me dumb.
For the first part, my brain apparently conflated the term chemical properties with chemical makeup.
Though even that would have been wrong.
And I don't even know what the fuck I meant by that second part.

Apparently forgetting to sleep for a few days has negative consequences. Who knew?
Me. I did...
 
Vox De Harlequin said:
Okay, apparently typing whilst half asleep makes me dumb.
For the first part, my brain apparently conflated the term chemical properties with chemical makeup.
Though even that would have been wrong.
And I don't even know what the fuck I meant by that second part.

Apparently forgetting to sleep for a few days has negative consequences. Who knew?
Me. I did...
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*winces*
Ouch. I can understand that. And I really wasn't aiming to insult you.

*gives hugs*
 
This is great. It captures/recreates the things that made Okami a great, unique game. The world needs more in its vein, but I'll take a fanfic capturing its magic.

I look forward to seeing where this goes.
 
So, I've been mulling over future events, and I think that things will start to go down post tea with Lung. After that, the PRT and Protectorate will want to have a chat with Taylor because holy shit she can interact with Lung without getting her throat ripped out what's her relationship with him, Danny will be freaking the hell out over his little girl having tea with the most dangerous cape in the city.....

My big question is that while this is very much the best time for Danny to come clean to Taylor, will it happen because he tells her, because she figures it out for herself (maybe meets Chessman in the hallways?), or if someone else accidentally spoils it for her?
 
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