Let me ask this question;

Why?

What do we gain by doing that and what do we lose by moving the distance?

Gaining distance against whatever Walp and Caster are cooking up respectively. The fact that Archer operates better at a higher distance, and he's our main dps. The rest of the girls can also operate at a good distance as well.

Its the sword he uses to test if something is worthy of Ea's might

Seeing as he's used ea twice, he'll have no problems with Archer using a copy of it.
 
Questions, concerns, comments or suggestions?
Two, one for you and one for everyone else.
--[X] Archer & Homura: Project Merodach, coordinate with Homura for maximum mana to be pumped into himself when he uses it. Use two command seals to rank up the attack then Light beam with it.

--[X] Oriko: barriers + transferring two command seals to Homura.
Just out of curiosity, but why are we bothering to take more Command Seals from Oriko, and why are we still leaving ourselves with CSs after using them? You could say that it's insurance for the future, but wouldn't it feel weird to, you know, have the ability to absolutely order our dad around just sitting there on the back of our hand? It's not like he'd suddenly decide to pack up and leave us if we used all our CSs. Or is it really just insurance for the future?

And this one is for everybody- When you're all voting, I'd prefer it if you included your Shirou/Illya vote alongside the main vote, to make it easier on me when it comes to vote tallying. So @r s @SaintBenot @Signupname @Jefardi @k4lepo @NMS @Yuri Vampire @Swedish15 if you could include both of your choices if/when you go to vote for the main plan, that would be great. Do it like Hyrushoten did,
[X] Illya

[X] TURN 23: WALPURGISNACHT - The Original Sin
but with Shirou in place of Illya for those of you voting for him.
 
By the way, is it possible to shoot Merodach like Caladbolg? Probably not since Archer's version is modified more like a arrow, but "Merodach II" should totally be a side-project he works on if Caster doesn't bite his head off first.

[X] Illya

[X] TURN 23: WALPURGISNACHT - The Original Sin
Just out of curiosity, but why are we bothering to take more Command Seals from Oriko, and why are we still leaving ourselves with CSs after using them? You could say that it's insurance for the future, but wouldn't it feel weird to, you know, have the ability to absolutely order our dad around just sitting there on the back of our hand? It's not like he'd suddenly decide to pack up and leave us if we used all our CSs. Or is it really just insurance for the future?
Do we have enough time in a turn to immediately use all 3 CS to get UBW back up, then get 2 more CS from Oriko to power up Merodach?
 
Do we have enough time in a turn to immediately use all 3 CS to get UBW back up, then get 2 more CS from Oriko to power up Merodach?
If we wanted to continue using UBW, we would have had to do it while it was still up. I thought that's what we would have done, rather than letting it lapse and hitting Wally with another Enuma Elish, but I for whatever reason we didn't and now we're back on cooldown turns.
 
I think there might've been confusion if we were using CS to repair UBW vs using CS to summon it back up. I guess it doesn't matter now since Ea is still crazy powerful. Although that does only leave Homura and Archer as our DPS since everyone else is on defense.
 
I think there might've been confusion if we were using CS to repair UBW vs using CS to summon it back up. I guess it doesn't matter now since Ea is still crazy powerful. Although that does only leave Homura and Archer as our DPS since everyone else is on defense.
I thought that we decided CS couldn't fix UBW??? Damn it!!!!
I'll be honest, I'm still unclear on whether it would work or not. Boundary Phantasm made it seem like it would,
As long as a bounded field is not brought down/destroy and its foundation is not destroyed, repairing it would be feasible. Reality Marble at its core is a bounded field so repairing it with a command seal is possible as long as still possible to repair it. If it damages too much, it just better to let it collapse.
Reality Marble normally can't be redeployed because the cost of deploying one is expensive. It more cost-efficient to deploy one and maintain it for as long as possible. If one got the mana to spare, redeploying the same reality marble after the first one collapse is feasible.
and this was also around the time when you weren't as available due to real life stuff so if you said you missed it that wouldn't entirely surprise me, but at the same time I'm not a Nasuese loremaster and it sounds kind of sketchy to me as to whether it would have worked or not. I'd have probably given it to us if we voted for it since at least Boundary Phantasm said it would work, though I really wish Enetious had his internet back up and could drop entire doctorate-level theses on us answering any questions we all might have.
 
Edited my vote to display Illya. Though, it's being picked up via the vote tally system?

Could we repeat what happen last turn and switch to use Mac an Luin as Homura use Finitora Freccia Maggiore

I'm all for it, I just don't know if SVS would allow it since it'd be two big attacks from Archer. You cool with that, SVS?

Gaining distance against whatever Walp and Caster are cooking up respectively. The fact that Archer operates better at a higher distance, and he's our main dps. The rest of the girls can also operate at a good distance as well.

We are several kilometers away right now. He works better at long range when it comes to fighting servants, not essentialy Beasts. I don't know how much farther you want us to go.

Just out of curiosity, but why are we bothering to take more Command Seals from Oriko, and why are we still leaving ourselves with CSs after using them?

Its because if Archer gets hit, we have access to significant and immediate healing with them. He is currently our main DPS and we are going to try and keep him up and running as much as possible. Also yes, it's for future reasons.
 
Edited my vote to display Illya. Though, it's being picked up via the vote tally system?
It just makes it easier for me to sift through everyone's votes if there aren't half a dozen voting blocks accounting for your vote, everyone else's vote, and everyone else's vote for Shirou/Illya.
I'm all for it, I just don't know if SVS would allow it since it'd be two big attacks from Archer. You cool with that, SVS?
Two big attacks in one turn? No. Two big attacks in consecutive turns? Yes. It sounds like the suggestion is to replace Merodach with Mac an Luin, which is fine; but using both Merodach and Mac an Luin in the same turn would not be fine.
 
Two big attacks in one turn? No. Two big attacks in consecutive turns? Yes. It sounds like the suggestion is to replace Merodach with Mac an Luin, which is fine; but using both Merodach and Mac an Luin in the same turn would not be fine.

That's what I thought. Question, SVS, to Archer how much more effective was the Mac an Luin + arrow combo then just Homura's super isa arrow, normally? Like, there is water in the air already, did it just expand quicker or...?

I get the feeling that Nine Lives Mac an Luin combined with the ice arrow barrage attack from Homura would do some serious damage.

The problem with that, is Mac an Luin has to be held to shoot out the water... we aren't actually shooting the spear via bow. So Nine Lives Mac an Luin would work, if, say, we were in UBW since Archer could have some floating ones around activate several at the same time but outside UBW... not so much. It's something I was considering as well. Also I think once the mass of absolute zero arrows gets larger than the target its hitting, it doesnt get any more effective? I think?
 
That's what I thought. Question, SVS, to Archer how much more effective was the Mac an Luin + arrow combo then just Homura's super isa arrow, normally? Like, there is water in the air already, did it just expand quicker or...?
It would have definitely made a larger splashed freeze than a regular Finitora Freccia, but whether it did more damage than normal isn't something I can easily say. It would depend on how Mac an Luin creates water- If it's actually creating water wholesale from nothing, then it would have been way more powerful than normal; but if it's "creating" water by drawing out hydrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere and combining them into water, then it wouldn't have done any more damage than normal because the amount of atmospheric water wasn't changing.
Also I think once the mass of absolute zero arrows gets larger than the target its hitting, it doesnt get any more effective? I think?
Correct. Finitora Freccia is ideal for splashing massive amounts of freeze damage over an absurdly wide area, but if you're trying to hit a smaller target you're not going to freeze them any harder, you're just spending all that extra mana to freeze everything around them. That's why Homura has both the Minore and Maggiore, for hitting single targets and for hitting things that really need that splashed freeze damage. Wally may be 333m in diameter, but if we're flinging so much freeze damage at her that it's covering more than 333m we're just wasting mana.
 
Mac an Luin creates water from nothing from my understanding.

I think given the amount of water currently in the arrow, the fact we are over a river and that the target is several kilometers away, with Mac an Luin, it probably reaches maxmium damage possible.

I'm looking forward to this update. Sure, we'll probably lose someone but the Illya v Shirou vote, Caster doing Caster shit and Merodach is pretty exciting! Mostly cause new things.
 
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It comes from this conversation here,
--[X] Thank Caster for his time, and ask him if there's anything he'd like you to do now or in the future in exchange for all his help, no questions asked

And here we have the usual Archer-Caster schtick up on the rooftop. Also opening up the opportunity for Caster to have Archer do something in the future based on some criteria (like: "If you see a [so and so], don't do [so and so] for [a length of time]") in order to nudge things along towards a particular path that Caster most wants to meet.
Not necessarily in this way, though. This would basically be a "choose how Archer reacts in a certain situation in the future" pass, which Caster may or may not take up in order to make things more interesting for him. It kinda ties into Archer having asked him about his expectations about this pseudo Grail War, and this would be a chance for Caster to change things up towards a particular future path.

Of course, to keep in line with the mystery and precog, SVS could always keep the exact reaction Caster's telling Archer to have in the background, so that SVS could auto-choose for Archer to do something in some future battle or in the background without us voters being aware of it.

EDIT: To clarify, SVS doesn't have to even be aware of what Caster would tell Archer in the background, they could just use it as justification to have Archer do something at some point in the future for whatever reason, even if it's not outright beneficial in order to coax something out of other characters.
I'm so glad you brought this up, because it just so happens that I have a need for [REDACTED] down the line.
which led to this part of the update on Day 41-4,
"Of course," Caster says, as his smirk turns to a much more somber expression. "But I warn you, Archer; you may not like what I have to say."

Caster was right. You don't like what he had to say to you. But if he's right, it may be the only way for Homura to defeat Walpurgisnacht and come out alive... You shake your head, wishing the world didn't have to be this way. But when has it ever been any different? "I suppose there isn't another way?" you want to ask him; but deep down you know he's probably seen every other way and judged this to be the best. "Thank you," is what you eventually settle on saying. "I'll keep that in mind, when the time comes."

Caster nods, saying as you see yourself out "Be sure that you do, Archer."
Basically, I've been saving a non-votable action for Archer to take, and have until this point been keeping a secret what Caster said on the roof in order to conceal what that might be. If it becomes relevant, I'll fill in the blanks of their conversation and it'll all be clear.
 
Can I just point out again how much I'm looking forward to times when I can vote on not combat? Because boy howdy am I awaiting those times.
 
Can I just point out again how much I'm looking forward to times when I can vote on not combat? Because boy howdy am I awaiting those times.
While it's very heartening to know you're looking forward to the sequel, do recall that we're slated for an Apocrypha as well as having to deal with whoever/whatever [REDACTED] and their machinations are. There will almost certainly be more combat in the sequel than there was in this quest.
 
Right right, but right now every vote I've done since I caught up has been a fight vote. Moreover, more or less kinda the same fight vote albeit with some differing familiars but you get the idea.

I've done 20 fight votes in the last forty days. I'd like to have some fun non-fight social votes sometime lol. I'd be able to not worry as much with every vote and chapter.
 
Also, y'know, Enetious WILL be back when we start. Which makes combat not as much of a complete headache to me since I won't be shouldering quite as much responsibilities as The Guy(tm). Hopefully. Maybe he wants a break after two years and I'll still keep being the vote guy and he'll be the lore master, who knows!

What I do know, is that for sequel, I'm definitely going to push Homura to learn the madokabow and possibly Archerswords. And talk to Lancelot a few more times. Hypothetically have him and Archer do sword training with Archerswords!

I'm excited okay???

I also didn't think I'd be as interested in Lancelot as I was by the end. He's no Serenity but I think he is neat when he can speak.
 
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