Do recall that Ea was made before the concept of "sword;" and this isn't just Nasu wankery, either. I mean that literally. The first sword we know of comes from around 1600 BC, while Gil would have been king some time between 2800 BC and 2500 BC. Swords, as we think of them, literally did not exist in the historic record at the time Gil was king. For all the things TM and Nasu in particular get wrong about mythology and history, this is one time when they actually get it right.
I think it was actually an auger/chisel in the original myth where it was one of the tools used to build the world, though it didn't belong to Gil there.
 
I knew that about Ea, I was just too lazy to argue on mobile lol.

While you raise a point, personally I don't mind either way... Though thematically if you would prefer it before Ea I can do that.
 
Wouldn't it be better for everyone else to hit Wally first, then clear the way for Gil to let loose; rather than having Gil go first, showing everyone else up and leaving Archer and Lancer to give a disappointing finish?
Oh yeah! Forgot; I actually edited my original vote to go along with that but forgot. Also, OG!Lancer has a severe lack of red pointy thing going at Walpole's general direction in this vote. Though honestly I'm not sure if it would be too great of an effect, there's still the whole 'every last bit counts' thing to consider.
For all the things TM and Nasu in particular get wrong about mythology and history, this is one time when they actually get it right.
Haha, yeah, that's rare! J̷̱̮̆̕E̶̱̭̓͘A̷̱̔N̶̳̽̚N̸͇̓͆Ė̷̻̹͘ ̷̪͝I̵̻͛͒S̵͓̽ ̵̦̗͠A̷̙̫͂͋ ̴̫̅Ḃ̵̥͈̋R̵̺͖̈Ű̸̜͉͊Ň̴̹͊É̷̗T̵̺͈̔̏T̷̟̀͘Ȩ̸͗̏. Ġ̸̘Ì̶͙̻L̶̘͈̎G̴͇̹͒A̷̫̘̐͒M̶̧͍̂̋E̶̺̯̽S̸̩̮͒H̶̡͕͛̃ ̵͇͗H̶̥͝Å̷̛̤Ḓ̶̱͝ ̶̱̘̉A̸̤͂ ̷̰̄͊Ḫ̸͎͝U̸͎̯̾̕G̶̰̹̑͛Ḙ̸͊ ̶͍̌Ȁ̶̭ͅS̴̮͊͜͠S̵̹̰̈́ ̷̼̜͗B̷̝̳͆͝È̴͍A̶̜̓Ŗ̵͎͌D̵̰̎. Ignore that. You saw nothing. Actually, most of F/SN was actually quite historically and mythologically accurate. It's once you start to branch out to the stuff Nasu didn't make that inaccuracies start to pop up.

Oh, speaking of, coming directly from the side material:
…By the way, the sword's drill shape is modeled after the bedrock excavators used when making underwater tunnels.
Though normally you'd think of a drill as something that tapers down to a point like a spear, the drills used to bore out enormous holes actually look more like numerous overlapping gears.
The way the blades rotate individually and shave away at the bedrock… just imagining it is so cool!
SUCK IT! I WAS RIGHT! Kinda. Not canonically right but I'm right in spirit.
 
I think it was actually an auger/chisel in the original myth where it was one of the tools used to build the world, though it didn't belong to Gil there.
Correct. It was used by the god Marduk during the creation myth.
J̷̱̮̆̕E̶̱̭̓͘A̷̱̔N̶̳̽̚N̸͇̓͆Ė̷̻̹͘ ̷̪͝I̵̻͛͒S̵͓̽ ̵̦̗͠A̷̙̫͂͋ ̴̫̅Ḃ̵̥͈̋R̵̺͖̈Ű̸̜͉͊Ň̴̹͊É̷̗T̵̺͈̔̏T̷̟̀͘Ȩ̸͗̏.
That's just a Japan thing. European, so, blonde, every time. No, what gets me is how dirty Archer Jehanne was done. She was crazy about cannons. Like, as more than just a friend. One of the first to recognise the usefulness of massed artillery in warfare, too. But instead we got "lol, dolphins" because apparently we can't have nice things.
 
But instead we got "lol, dolphins" because apparently we can't have nice things.
THIS MAN GETS IT. Man, I just can't STAND FGO because of stuff like that. "Can we get American servants? Maybe one of the legends that could be construed as a combat class, like John Henry as a Berserker-" "Want a giant cartoon loli and a bikini wearing cheerleader with a laser gun?" "Can we get some better representation of things that aren't explicitly Greek, Japanese or Ancient Middle-Eastern?" "Yo Caesar was totally fat, right?" "Can we stop just making f**-bait genderbends and instead make 3-dimensional characters with interesting stories and skillsets based off the original myths that can't be summarised with stuff like 'he's kinda sorta tangentially related to Lions so we slapped a lion's head on him for funsies'?" "What do you take me for, a good writer?"

Ugh, sorry for venting something mostly unrelated. All I know is that if the Fate quest in my head that you inspired ever comes to SV, I'm banning anything that comes from FGO.
 
'he's kinda sorta tangentially related to Lions so we slapped a lion's head on him for funsies'
A FUCKING LION MAN

No, no, vent. FGO has made some really, and when I say really I mean "worse than Emiya Shirou" stupid decisions. I refuse to acknowledge the Michael Bay Power Rangers travesty that was done to my boy Odysseus, and the fact that Hikasa "My voice causes spontaneous orgasms in both sexes" Yoko was wasted on a fucking dinosaur just infuriates me. At least they acknowledge that fat Caesar was a mistake in-canon. Rider Caesar, while still chuuni as fuck, is at least a better design than the Eric Cartman lookalike and then they refuse to release him as a summonable servant.
 
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I refuse to acknowledge the Michael Bay Power Rangers travesty that was done to my boy Odysseus,
OH LORD IN HEAVEN DO NOT REMIND ME OF ODYSSEUS. Not only is Aegis reduced from basically the shield version of Gae Bolg to 'generic power armor helmet #8631', but he's just so bland. Odysseus did not have to claw his way from shore to shore on a plank of wood multiple times, have to deal with his dumbass crew, have his clever plans get thrown in his face again and again, become one of the top 10 members of the 'Greek gods screwed me over' club, have to deal with stuff like Circe, have to deal with a sad dog death, and the whole deal with Ithaca to just be rebranded as 'stalwart power armor hero #9563'. And there's the whole thing with how they just toss thematics out of the window. A primary negative of the summoning process in fate is going "Can I even trust this guy?" But they have people like Circe and Elizabeth Bathory and CASTER GILLES (OOOOOH MYYYYYY GOOOODNESS) that could not under any circumstance be considered trustworthy just hang around.

Also some of these Noble Phantasms are just a huge whole stretch at this point. See: Nightingale Pledge, Bucephalus, Phantom Maiden, Anti-Fling Rondo, Custos Morum, AROUND CALIBURN (PAIN) Artemis Hagnós, Des Océans d'Allégresse, the list goes on and ON and ON AND ON. Ugh. I think I've sufficiently vented out at this point.
 
--[X] Gilgamesh: Command Seal boosted Ea. Max rotations. The sword of Rupture that can split the world, the heavens and the stars and create them anew shall be used on a True Evil.
--[X] Lancer: Double Command Seal boosted Elemental bomb either before or after Ea, but not during.
--[X] Archer: Cover Gilgamesh until Ea is charged and used. If time is permitting, Nine Lives Caladbolg II x9

*Double command seal boost Ea
*Have Archer cover with Rho Aias if blasting any attacks directed towards them fail

--[X] Bazett & OG!Lancer shredding buildings

*Command seal amped thrown gae bulg? Would do a substantial amount of damage, and Saber + sniping outside of hut should keep the megucas safe.
*Potentially shift OG Lancer to offense while our Lancer stays at defense? If Walp survives mega explosion and world ending laser beam, having her with elemental bomb and command seals will be useful.
 
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I'm actually wanting to know what The Red Baron Mannfred von Richtofen would look like as a Servant
Do you want the regular answer or the FGO answer? Regular answer would put his stats and NP super low (because modern servants in original fate are super weak, Archer is an exception for various reasons), and he'd look mostly like the original guy with some added flair to make him look more memorable. Maybe a longcoat that's tied around his neck since Japan seems to do that to Nazi-esque characters. He'd probably have pretty decent skills and an abnormal luck stat (luck isn't effected by lack of mystery much and neither are skills) and he'd most certainly kick into Rider territory. His Noble Phantasm is probably obviously his plane; what it'd do I don't know, I haven't read much about him yet. He might not even be summonable as a servant due to lack of Mystery, because like I said, modern servants kinda get shafted.

FGO answer? Stupid high agility and physical stats that make no sense. He'd also probably be summonable as Saber and they'd never design a Rider version because the FGO team smokes crack on a regular basis and would probably say some BS like 'rudders are sharp!'. Just look at what they did to my main man Caesar as an example. Regardless, he'd also probably have technology and equipment that would make no absolute sense in the late 1910s, but like I said, they smoke crack over there. I'd bet they would probably give him a spaceship or some stupid BS in place of his plane, too. They might not even give them his plane.

The gave a Berserker an "Everyone stop fighting!"
I know and it P***ES ME OFF. Especially because Nightingale wasn't even particularly anti-war. And there's so much they could have done instead! Nightingale was literally known as 'the lady with the lamp' because of the lamp she would carry around, and she was a massive pioneer and advocate for hygiene right up there with John Snow (no not the game of thrones one). Okay, make a lamp that cleanses the immediate area of mundane and supernatural ailments. Another possible example? She cared for many soldiers so well to the point where they considered her the only person who cared for them (might be exaggeration, still a legend). Okay, give her a nerfed version of Ionian Hetairoi with Crimean War soldiers. Or heck, just make a defensive fortifcation that wards off stuff like Book of Earth with a war tent bent to it.

And don't get me started on her skills, man. Nurse of Steel is fine since it's normal medic stuff, but the rest of her skills are basically just 'weak spot identification' with Human Anatomy Understanding (ANYONE WITH COMBAT KNOWLEDGE CAN DO WHAT THAT SKILL DOES) and Cry of the Angel is pretty much just "She's such a sweetheart that everyone's survival instincs go up!" WHAT!? SHE'S SO KINDHEARTED SHE PUTS PEOPLE ON EDGE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHY IS IT EX RANKED?

If you were to give Nightingale actual skills, she is renowned as being one of the best data analysts and infographers of her era, so give her a skill that represents her ability to easily identify, analyze and dumb down data to be used by herself and team-mates. Heck, give her a ranking in Charisma, because her raw moxie and kindhearted nature pretty much gave her a real-life version of this skill.

Yo SVS you taking notes? I could write a whole THESIS on how to make Nightingale a better servant.
 
EX ranked is a tad misunderstood tbf. It just means the measuring system is unable to measure it.

That could mean something super good, super bad, or just hard to quantify (e.g your speed always = your opponent would prolly give you an EX in agility)
 
EX ranked is a tad misunderstood tbf. It just means the measuring system is unable to measure it.

That could mean something super good, super bad, or just hard to quantify (e.g your speed always = your opponent would prolly give you an EX in agility)
Makes just a bit more sense. It's probably EX ranked because it's probably a unique skill that's kinda hard to quantify if you're talking regular instinct and not Artoria type instinct stuff.

HOWEVER. This just reminds me of something else that makes me reel angy, and that is Nightingale's EX ranked Madness Enhancement. Now like you said, EX doesn't necessarily mean high-ranked. But that's nulled with Nightingale because apparently she's completely disconnected with reality and can only speak to herself, according to the skill description. Honestly though getting into that would be a painful ordeal and unless SVS wants to rewrite the entirety of Nightingale's Stat Sheet and Skill List to create a more sensible, balanced and historically accurate Berserker Florence Nightingale I'll just keep quite for now.
 
*Command seal amped thrown gae bulg? Would do a substantial amount of damage, and Saber + sniping outside of hut should keep the megucas safe.
*Potentially shift OG Lancer to offense while our Lancer stays at defense? If Walp survives mega explosion and world ending laser beam, having her with elemental bomb and command seals will be useful.

OG!Lancer can do far less attack then Lancer, as he is mostly anti-personnel. Our Lancer can do far better AoE attack and given Oriko's mana pool, has far more to draw from.

As for double command seal Ea... I'm uncertain- I'd like to keep at least one command seal per master as long as their servant is still healthy as viable back up/survive measure. Sure Oriko can transfer command seals but until Mami has more I'm going to have her keep at least one unused.

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If Rin complains to us afterwards that we said it was under control, Homura is going to point out that Wallyworld has tanked something akin to 60 Noble Phantasm attacks at this point, excluding whatever Gilgamesh has thrown from GoB and the fucking thing summoned servants from her war. Of which the servants we lost either fought alter saber to a draw, had a non-primary attacker die after killing two servants or the fact that Rider took out Fake!Gil, Berserker and Lancer because damn son, he wasn't weak by any means.
 
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OG!Lancer can do far less attack then Lancer, as he is mostly anti-personnel. Our Lancer can do far better AoE attack and given Oriko's mana pool, has far more to draw from.

While this is generally true, given her runes, a thrown Gae Bulg out classes anything Bryn can do*.


As a bonus his mega explosion thing also drills in first, meaning if it pierces walp and explodes inside of her it'll do more damage.

*Unless she uses her NP with max love-hate.
 
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While this is generally true, given her runes, a thrown Gae Bulg out classes anything Bryn can do*.


As a bonus his mega explosion thing also drills in first, meaning if it pierces walp and explodes inside of her it'll do more damage.

*Unless she uses her NP with max love-hate.
As much as I hate to throw the name of FGO around, especially after what we just went through above, FGO says otherwise, at least when it comes down to the numbers game.
 
A guy who repeatedly destroys and recreates the planet for fun also has lower numbers too.

I.. Don't take fgo too seriously.

Up to author choice tho, so I'll choose whoever has a better offensive for our lancer.

[X] TURN 17: WALPURGISNACHT - THE GOLDEN KING
 
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[X] Jefardi
I can't wait to hit this bitch where it hurts!
Also on the topic of how bad fgo is, what they did with Caenis is just... I hate it with every fiber of my being.
 
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Day 47 Chapter 18
[X] Jefardi



"I appreciate the concern, but it's more important that we defeat Walpurgisnacht, and you can't be out there defeating it if you're in here rubbing my back. I've got plenty of Grief Seeds to spare if I need them."

You hate to leave Homura and her friends in their current condition, but she has a point. Defeating Walpurgisnacht is the reason you're here, and you can't do your job if you're sitting around giving Homura special treatment. You'll make it up to her later, somehow. After this is over, you're thinking a nice, relaxing family dinner will do her and Kirika some good. Hell, invite the others along while you're at all, and give everyone who needs it the reward.

"Alright then, it looks like it's my turn." You draw back until your bowstring is taut. Ready? "Caladbolg!"

In rapid succession you loose nine broken Caladbolg from the bow of Heracles. Your projectiles swerve,crashing into and piercing through the falling buildings as they rain down, colliding against Walpurgisnacht in a sequence of nine pounding thunderclaps. In addition to scoring nine direct hits on the witch, you've done most of the hard work for McRemitz and Cú Chulainn, who are soon joined by a procession of buzzing silver spheres sent by Mikuni to serve as assistance in the building defens, at least as far as you can assume; and your attack has given Lancer the time she needs to prepare another elemental bomb.

Swerving out of the line of fire, Lancer returns to her position at the fore, activating her runes to once more envelop Walpurgisnacht in a dome of swirling elemental chaos. Her body shines with silver and blue as she controls her runes against the massive size of her target, and she pulls back once her attack has reached the breaking point, allowing the elemental bomb to explode with great fury around Walpurgisnacht.



"... and the poor tanuki never saw his balls again." You, as well as five other pairs of eyes, glare at Saber as her impromptu attempt at entertainment falls flat on its face. Saber puffs her cheeks, saying "Well, at least I tried. Are you girls just a really tough crowd, or what?"

"On top of that story being completely inappropriate for a group of teenage girls to be hearing, this is neither the time nor place for you attempts at humour," Nagatsuki Miyuki says. "Buddha, I could use a drink after hearing that."

"I mean, I don't mind a bit of crassness, but only when it's about two girls, not some stupid rodent with a ballsack the size of my head," Kirika says. For her troubles, Kirika is met with disapproving stares from both Tomoe-san and Mikuni Oriko. "And like, don't you have anything better to do than sit around telling us this crap? Isn't there something you could be doing out there with what's left of our servants?"

Saber shakes her head, saying "Unfortunately, if I leave Book of Earth goes with me; and we're in no position to be leaving you girls unprotected while that Bounded Field of Wallyburger's is up."

"Tomoe-san, I want you to have these." Tomoe-san and Mikuni Oriko have been silent for some time now; you can only imagine what the two of them have been planning between one another. But you think you have an idea. Tomoe-san cocks a curious eye towards Mikuni Oriko as the latter extends her hand. "I imagine you'll be needing them in order for Caster to deliver the strongest possible attack."

"Are you sure, Mikuni-san?" Tomoe-san asks. "Are you okay with sharing your burden with me like this?"

Mikuni Oriko nods, while outside of Saber's barrier the sound and fury of the raging battle rocks your shelter to the foundation. "How can I live and be penitent for the lives I have taken, if I don't live long enough to see the end of this battle?" Mikuni Oriko shakes her head, saying "I cannot, and that is why winning is more important now than shouldering my burden alone. Hold out your hand, Tomoe-san."

Tomoe-san does as Mikuni Oriko instructs her, holding out her hand to receive the gift of two additional Command Seals. She stares at the two new additions to the back of her hand, a pair of jagged crescents shaped disturbingly like biting jaws. It makes you sick. "Thank you, Mikuni-san," Tomoe-san says. Clenching her fist tightly and pressing it against her breast, Tomoe-san says "Caster, if you can hear me, I order you to unleash your strongest Noble Phantasm against Walpurgisnacht. I'm giving you the power of these Command Seals, so by my command I order you to destroy Walpurgisnacht."

"I hope you and the others are watching," Archer's voice says inside your head. "Because you're about to see a show unlike anything you'll ever see again."



"I hope you and the others are watching," you make sure to say to Homura. "Because you're about to see a show unlike anything you'll ever see again."

You've given the girls all the heads-up you can. Now, it's on them whether or not they watch as Caster draws the sword that splits heaven and earth. Babylon opens above Caster's hand, depositing into his waiting grasp a key so massive and ornate it could scarcely be called a key anymore. Caster turns the key, and the world is torn asunder in a powerful display of light, and a crimson spiderweb extends upwards towards the heavens. A single mote of light descends, traveling down the long web lain out for it, and the weapon emerges hilt-first from an orb of light. It is a sword from before the concept of sword existed in this world, a divine weapon given to only ever to one man, the King who stands before you.

Caster accepts the divine gift given to him, gripping it tightly as golden plate forms around his body. As the sword of rupture is drawn, Caster appears to you as the Archer servant you knew him as in life. All around Caster, you can feel the radiating power of not just his own weapon, but of the presence of two Command Seals surrounding him, empowering his strike.

The three segments spin, starting slow and building to a roaring climax as Caster points the weapon skyward, proclaiming "I shall offer this one strike as the ceremony of separation!" A crimson whirlpool surrounds the weapon, and your heart flips back and forth between admiration and terror. You've stared down the might of what is to come, and knowing that now you stand on the side about to use it your mind is unable to process how you should be feeling. "I speak of the beginning. Heaven and earth are divided and nothingness celebrates Creation. My Sword of Rupture rends the world apart. The vortex that turns the stars, this heavenly hell signifies the end of the eve of genesis. Subside with death!"

"Enûma Eliš!"


The attack is as powerful as it is instantaneous. A spiraling vacuum wave tears apart everything in its path; the buildings being thrown at you, Walpurgisnacht's anti-puella magi Bounded Field, even the very air itself is unable to escape being torn asunder by the star of creation as it races towards Walpurgisnacht, who is struck with the full force of a twice-Command Seal-boosted Enuma Elish. Nothing could survive that, is what you would think were optimism still a luxury this fight would allow you to have. But as the smoke clears from the explosive burden of Caster's attack, you know in your heart that it won't be enough.

A single laugh is all the prep time you're given before a dozen pillars of light tear to shreds the thick cloud of smoke which chokes the skies. As wide around as skyscrapers, each beam punches through everything in its path as easily as a hot knife might through a stick of butter. The collateral damage is immense, and not unlike the aftermath of Walpurgisnacht's previous attack after Fragarach shattered it. When the smoke and ruin subside, Walpurgisnacht is revealed. The monstrous witch is not unharmed, but the Enuma Elish has done far less than you had hoped it might.

Walpurgisnacht gives one final laugh as, with a sickening sound, the doll half snaps off of its central pillar, plummeting earth and laughing all the way down. As the broken doll collides with the ruined pier, it shatters, breaking apart into a wave of thick black corruption which washes over whatever hasn't already been stained oil-slick black. With the central pillar broken, each of the smaller gears falls off in succession, each one after the other repeating the pattern of the broken doll as they crash to earth and break apart in waves of black corruption, until only the massive central gear, with its third of a kilometer diameter, remains to challenge you.

Buildings, fire, and ruinous light stare you down, as Walpurgisnacht readies for its next attack.

[ ] Wat do?​
 
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I have good news, and I have bad news.

The good news is that Enuma Elish broke the Nega-Hope Bounded Field, so the girls are free to rejoin the fight if they think they can play with the big boys; and it also broke Wally's ability to use the World Destructor, since now there's no more "top" or "bottom" for Wally to rotate around to anymore. We've also, after a long journey, finally made it to the last of Wally's three stages. We made it past stage one, World Destructor, and stage two, Nega-Hope. Now, it's time to face stage three, Wheel of Fire.

The bad news is that Wheel of Fire Wally can use the shattered version of World Destructor at will, without having to wait for a recharge, in addition to still being able to throw buildings at us.
 
Well on the plus side, I think UBW is finally off Cooldown! Homura will also get the chance to get a good hit in with her Ice Magic.
 
Fuck me, this fucker is only on stage fucking three what is this fucking shit hot fucking damn WHY WONT YOU JUST DIE ALREADY YOU MOTHERFUCKER AHHHHHHH
 
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