So... before I get started on a plan, what's stopping Homura and co from time-stop blitzing all of the familiars now with eight Servants and focusing on Walpurgisnacht afterwards? Am I just going to make up a plan involving time-stop only for the following chapters to end in a few lines denoting that it doesn't work or something like that? 🤔Yes, you read Archer's dialogue correctly. The largest central gear has a diameter of 333 meters.
Each update in this fight is going to represent one "turn" of battle, so for whatever the vote is make sure to take economy of action into account when commanding all our units- And I do mean all of them. Ideally, you're going to be moving all seven masters and eight servants each turn. Walpurgisnacht and her minions will have similar turns where all of them get to move, so don't think you can focus everyone into one point or you'll get blindsided by something you really should have seen coming.
No, it will work exactly as intended. There's nothing going on behind the scenes that will completely scuttle our ability to stop time. But there is something going on behind the scenes that will make prolonged use of timestop a death sentence for us, so we should probably curtail our use of it to when it's absolutely necessary. I'll leave it up to you to decide if blitzing these familiars is one of those absolutely necessary moments.So... before I get started on a plan, what's stopping Homura and co from time-stop blitzing all of the familiars now with eight Servants and focusing on Walpurgisnacht afterwards? Am I just going to make up a plan involving time-stop only for the following chapters to end in a few lines denoting that it doesn't work or something like that?
-[X] Bazett: "Lancer, by my Command Seal I order you to release your Noble Phantasm and destroy Walpurgisnacht and its familiars!"
--[X] OG!Lancer: Uses "Gáe Bolg: Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death"
Not for very long. It fires off at Mach 2, and Lancer can telekinetically call it back to him. It'll probably take longer for Caster's Melammu Dingir to run it's course than it would take for Lancer to fire off his NP and retrieve his spear, honestly.This is the only part of the plan I currently seem to have any issue with. Wouldn't this disarm him for a while since it involves actually throwing the spear?
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Yes.
I do.
I'm using Homura's TV series arsenal as the basis for what she has access to, and she never used a fighter jet. The biggest guns she can give to Berserker would be the GSDF Type 88 Surface-to-Ship Missile launcher. Had we not stopped time to fight Elsa Maria, we could have pilfered at least one of the F-15Js the ASDF sortied, but we didn't, so no fighter jet for us.-[X] Homura: Prepares to time-stop at a moment's notice if things go awry; deploys a fighter jet for Berserker to use
I went back to the party and added a few extra lines of dialogue. Kirika now admits that we're her sister. If that changes anything, since you never posted relationship changes at the end of yesterday.
UBW will go live next turn, and we'll have it for seven turns before it fades, with an eight-turn cooldown before we can use it again, if that changes anything.--[X] Archer: Moves to an advantageous position and starts the chant to enact his Noble Phantasm
Archer deploying his Reality Marble shouldn't have any negative effects on him, even if the corruptive mud reaches into it.
No word on the sealing away of Ea part, but I've consistently portrayed Caster as having combat access to the same breadth of Babylon that his Archer version had; hence why he's predominantly attacked stuff with swords instead of magic staves like his FGO counterpart, if that changes any part of your plan with respect to Caster.Also fun fact to those that don't know, by Caster!Gilgamesh locked away the King's Key which would allow him to further open the Gate of Babylon, and sealed away Ea when he settled down and became King unbeknownst to people who knew his Archer self like Homura's Archer.
Just as a reminder, Melammu Dingir fires exclusively Noble Phantasms from Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon that have been Broken, raising their parameters and subsequent destructive potential.
Cu can recall his gay Bulge pretty quickly, but you're right it would leave him vulnerable for the few seconds it would take to toss it. He does, however, have lots of backup from his fellow servants forThis is the only part of the plan I currently seem to have any issue with. Wouldn't this disarm him for a while since it involves actually throwing the spear?
No more concerned than you should be about the rest of the fight as a whole.
Because last year's Xenforo update took away the ability to justify text automatically, so in order to do it now I have to manually type in the code to justify text. That's what you're picking up.Also, why is it that when I quote this part its says JUSTIFY, in the message write up box, but disappears when I actually post the message?
Hm... idk, it just seems odd to me that Homura wouldn't have pilfered any jets from the JSDF bases she's raided in the past considering she can control vehicles using her magic and basically ignores air resistance that would fling her off any given vehicle. There's no reason she couldn't have tried out jets in the past, anyways.I'm using Homura's TV series arsenal as the basis for what she has access to, and she never used a fighter jet. The biggest guns she can give to Berserker would be the GSDF Type 88 Surface-to-Ship Missile launcher. Had we not stopped time to fight Elsa Maria, we could have pilfered at least one of the F-15Js the ASDF sortied, but we didn't, so no fighter jet for us.
Aaaand I didn't know that. Go ahead and bump Kirika's rating up to 10.But while I'm on the subject of Berserker,
I went back to the party and added a few extra lines of dialogue. Kirika now admits that we're her sister. If that changes anything, since you never posted relationship changes at the end of yesterday.
I mean, minimizing the amount of damage Walpurgisnacht could inflict upon the city is pretty important, and Archer's Reality Marble will have the same amount of firepower to field against Walpurgisnacht regardless of when he pulls her in. Plus in a pinch, Homura could always refresh Archer's Spirit Origin with a Command Seal and have him field his Noble Phantasm once more which is a canonical use of Command Seals.UBW will go live next turn, and we'll have it for seven turns before it fades, with an eight-turn cooldown before we can use it again, if that changes anything.
Gilgamesh, when he was alive, sealed away the King's Key and Ea in preparation of releasing his Noble Phantasms across the world to become the prototypes to many heroes' weapons sometime after he became the Wise King of Uruk - his time as a hero was over, after all. It's why in Babylonia, GIlgamesh had to sacrifice his body as a catalyst in order to summon his Archer Servant incarnation in order to access the King's Key and Ea again, as there was no taking back what he'd done.No word on the sealing away of Ea part, but I've consistently portrayed Caster as having combat access to the same breadth of Babylon that his Archer version had; hence why he's predominantly attacked stuff with swords instead of magic staves like his FGO counterpart, if that changes any part of your plan with respect to Caster.
Because last year's Xenforo update took away the ability to justify text automatically, so in order to do it now I have to manually type in the code to justify text. That's what you're picking up.
True, there's no reason she couldn't have, but for consistency's sake with what I've done for the past 46 days she hasn't. Otherwise, I would have given her a lot more in the way of fun toys or things she could have realistically had but never used in-series, instead of having her stick with the Beretta M9, Howa Type 89, and FN M249.There's no reason she couldn't have tried out jets in the past, anyways.
I'm just making sure you know how UBW will work in this fight. So is this a "Yes, I'm still having Archer use UBW now" or a "I'll hold off on using it for later"?I mean, minimizing the amount of damage Walpurgisnacht could inflict upon the city is pretty important, and Archer's Reality Marble will have the same amount of firepower to field against Walpurgisnacht regardless of when he pulls her in.
Just making sure it wouldn't change anything, since I've been portraying Gil's combat ability as his Archer self rather than how FGO portrayed his Caster self, and not knowing my FGO I didn't know if that would change anything for you. Sounds like it doesn't.
Changed it.True, there's no reason she couldn't have, but for consistency's sake with what I've done for the past 46 days she hasn't. Otherwise, I would have given her a lot more in the way of fun toys or things she could have realistically had but never used in-series, instead of having her stick with the Beretta M9, Howa Type 89, and FN M249.
Also changed this. Gonna wait a turn or two to see how things change on the battlefield with Walpurgisnacht's advent.I'm just making sure you know how UBW will work in this fight. So is this a "Yes, I'm still having Archer use UBW now" or a "I'll hold off on using it for later"?
Question- How? How does this work? The page you linked doesn't say a whit about how it 'cancels out disadvantages' or even what qualifies as a 'disadvantage.' It just gives empty platitudes about gods and buddhas without explaining anything. So how is this supposed to work? Does the spear automatically info-dump everything Archer needs to know into his brain?--[X] Archer: Moves to an advantageous position and first projects "Hazy Inverted Moon - Eleven Styles" to cancel out any disadvantages he has from encountering Walpurgisnacht for the first time
I'm not entirely sure myself, but if I had to decide on something it'd probably be that the Noble Phantasm "guides" the user in a way that they are caught flat-footed by new things that may arise in battle, such as a particular attack or ambush. Or perhaps you could say that it's instinctual, that certain movements of the enemy may give hint to an attack that the user wasn't already aware of (such as the rearing of a dragon's head to signify a breath attack despite not knowing that dragons breath fire).Question- How? How does this work? The page you linked doesn't say a whit about how it 'cancels out disadvantages' or even what qualifies as a 'disadvantage.' It just gives empty platitudes about gods and buddhas without explaining anything. So how is this supposed to work? Does the spear automatically info-dump everything Archer needs to know into his brain?
But then I run into the obvious problem of "How do I portray this in writing?" when the focus shifts away from Archer, and since most of the focus in this fight is probably going to be on Homura, that's a question that'll need to be tackled of else it'll just look like I'm brushing this off.
And like I said above, it'd probably be best to portray it as a little thing that'll help Archer out in a pinch, additional instincts about his enemy that he didn't have before.But then I run into the obvious problem of "How do I portray this in writing?" when the focus shifts away from Archer, and since most of the focus in this fight is probably going to be on Homura, that's a question that'll need to be tackled of else it'll just look like I'm brushing this off.
Another question- How is the spear hitting both Wally and her familiars? The familiars are here on the ground, while Wally is floating a few kilometers above our heads. Wally and her familiars are also on the same vertical axis, so it's not like Cu could throw his Gay Bulge at one target, then have it hit the other on its way down/up.-[X] Bazett: "Lancer, by my Command Seal I order you to release your Noble Phantasm and destroy Walpurgisnacht and its familiars!"
Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death is OP. It cannot be dodged or blocked, and it is the strongest spear Archer's ever encountered
... Huh, you're right. Edited the vote so that Lancer's only targeting Walpurgisnacht's familiars - there's a bunch of other people already targeting Walpurgisnacht directly anyways, so his attack would probably only just get in the way.Sorry I keep hitting you with these one at a time, but there's not much else for me to do while I wait for everyone else to come along and vote, so...
Another question- How is the spear hitting both Wally and her familiars? The familiars are here on the ground, while Wally is floating a few kilometers above our heads. Wally and her familiars are also on the same vertical axis, so it's not like Cu could throw his Gay Bulge at one target, then have it hit the other on its way down/up.