Confringentur 2; a Madoka Magica / Fate/Stay Night sequel

Day 28 Chapter 18
[X] Plan: Further Experimentation, But We're Running Out Of Topics And Need A New Target



While Kazumi and Scáthach continue to try and learn to control the hole in reality – a feat which, the more you look on their attempts, the less confident you feel in its success as anything other than a weapon of mass destruction – you meander over to where Nurse Ortensia is practicing. Or, more accurately, where Nurse Ortensia has finished practicing, because she's torn through all of the dummies you gave her and is seated on the ground, nursing her left arm which she's once again wrapped in her red shroud.

"Come to gawk at me?" Nurse Ortensia asks, upon seeing your approach. "Or just bored out of your mind watching those two fumble around with that black hole in Kazumi's hands?"

"Neither," you respond. "I just wanted to see how you were coming along with your practice." Your eyes quickly scan what remains of the practice dummies; melted black slag in smoking puddles on the concrete. "It looks like you're finished."

"Obviously. Why else would I be sitting down?"

"Right, of course," you say. "Perhaps, if you were willing, you could give me a demonstration, or at least a quick explanation, of the abilities your arm gives you?"

Nurse Ortensia sighs to herself, but she stands up and says "Get me some more targets and some Asprin for this headache and for my arm, and I'll do it." Quite reluctantly she says it, but she'll do it all the same.

"I can give you some more targets, but you'll have to wait until we're out of here before I can get you something for your headache," you say. "But… I thought your arm had a built-in pain suppression going on?"

"Only for pain above a certain threshold, it would seem," Nurse Ortensia replies. "So that'll block out the pain of having my arm set on fire every time I use that electricity attack, but for stuff like headaches or just the general soreness I get in my arm after using it are no-gos, for whatever reason." Nurse Ortensia shrugs, only her right shoulder; you'd guess that's from the pain in her left arm after tapping into the servant's abilities, and she adds "So, chop-chop on those targets, then?"

You don't appreciate being chop-chop'ed at by Nurse Ortensia, but you do as you said you would, and set up some additional dummy familiars. Actually, it might be more appropriate to say that you approach the puddles of black sludge left over from the previous targets, and recreate them, because you're not actually pouring out any additional Grief to make Nurse Ortensia's targets.

You've given her a row of dummies in the shape of humanoid silhouettes; are they more familiars of yours that you just haven't given sentience to, perhaps, or just the ideal shape for practicing when you're planning on fighting another person? It isn't as though your dummies could replicate Sidonia's abilities, so maybe the human-shape isn't worth the hassle if you can control it otherwise. You step back, and once you're behind the firing line, you say to Nurse Ortensia "Walk me through what your arm is capable of, if you would, please."

Nurse Ortensia bites her lip, bracing herself as she throws the red shroud off her arm. "We'll start with the obvious stuff, then," she says, holding her arm out straight. A stream of brilliant white lightning leaps from her fingertips, scorching them under their intense heat and pressure as they surge towards the target, making contact and causing it to erupt into a cross-shaped explosion almost immediately.

"What I've found is that the electricity can be directed to take on a number of different forms," Nurse Ortensia says. "The stream is the easiest to just send out, quick and dirty like." She pulls her hand back, and the lightning tracks with her hand movement, forming into a spherical shape in her palm. "But it can take on other forms, like a ball, or a lance." As she speaks, the lightning in Nurse Ortensia's hand rapidly changes shape according to her description, shifting from the ball of lightning that had been in her hand just moments before and into the elongated shape of a glowing white spear.

Nurse Ortensia throws like a girl, but it almost doesn't matter because the spear manages to find its way to the target as though it had a mind of its own. It crashes through the second dummy, leaving a clean, smoking hole right through the middle, causing another cross-shaped explosion before the dummy collapses into black sludge. "The lightning is holy in nature, so it makes quick work of anything that's been made with curses or other dark magics," Nurse Ortensia says. "But there's an obvious gradation of power that's roughly equal to the amount of power being put into each one."

"I imagine the cross shape of the explosion also has something to do with the holy nature of the lightning?"

"That's correct." Nurse Ortensia flexes her arm, waiting a few seconds as blackened bone and skin knit themselves back together, before continuing. "However, even with that, all of this is really only suitable for dealing with the small fries; the wolves, bats, and those weird shrieking vampire things. Against some of Sidonia's bigger threats, there's still the potential for a lot of damage to be dealt, but in terms of outright killing them there's just not enough power compared to what I can do myself if I can actually get close enough to exorcise them."

"So, what does that mean?" you ask.

"As I was… I wouldn't say 'conversing' with the servant inside my arm, but it's close enough for our purposes," Nurse Ortensia says. "Anyway, as I was conversing with her, I realised that there had to be a reason for this to be on the rank of a Noble Phantasm, and that's when it hit me."

Nurse Ortensia raises her hand skyward, and for a brief moment the skies darken and the heavens let out a terrible roar. Nurse Ortensia's arm cracks with electricity, which shoots up and out in a single thin stream – not at all like the wide, arcing stream that looses from her fingertips, but a single winding bolt of glowing white – and twists and turns upon itself, knotting itself into the shape of a massive spire. "The Tower is the lightning's preferred shape when maximum power is required," Nurse Ortensia says. "I've yet to test it against a static target, but I imagine the blast radius would be a lot more than whatever our safe distance is here."

"Then let's not see what happens," you say. "I'd prefer not to get blown away because we were too close to the blast radius."

"Good." Nurse Ortensia clenches her hand into a fist, and the darkened skies and blinding white tower of electricity vanish as she withdraws her arm to allow skin and bone to recover. "Frankly, just warming up the Tower takes a lot out of me, and I imagine actually letting it fly would take even more. I'd prefer to only use that as the nuclear option if there's absolutely nothing else I can do."

You nod your head. You've seen the kind of damage her arm's electricity can do, and you'd hate to imagine what kind of damage could be done to the rest of her body if Nurse Ortensia were to be caught in the blast. "So, what else can you do, then?"

"Some other assorted odds and ends," Nurse Ortensia says. "You've already seen the electricity, but on top of that I'm also able to create holy artifacts – spears, swords, nails, crowns, sceptres, that sort of thing – and you've seen the regeneration as well; though I'm still hesitant to test whether it only applies to my arm, or if I lucked out and it's my entire body benefiting from it." Nurse Ortensia counts off with her fingers, saying "I've got improved eyesight and physical reflexes: those are both things I tested to make sure I could do before you came over here; but then there's the stuff I haven' had the chance to test, as well; mainly, I should have some pretty good magic resistance and protection against physical, mental, and spiritual abnormalities."

"So… How do you know you have that?" you ask. "If you haven't had the chance to test it, I mean." Should you offer to be Nurse Ortensia's guinea pig so she can test her magic resistance?

"The servant that's stuck in my arm has been kind enough to give me an overview of what she's capable of," Nurse Ortensia replies. "There's one more thing I should be able to do, but unlike the rest I haven't had the opportunity to teste this at all, since it's pretty dependent on someone else giving me handouts."

"That being?"

"I can enhance weapons. Holy weapons would be the most effective, but even something mundane would suffice in a pinch." A trio of shirt, needle-like blades slide out from under Nurse Ortensia's sleeve, and she says "The most I've been able to test it is with these Black Keys, but as far as the upper limits of what I should be able to do, they're pretty poor test subjects. What I'd really like to get my hands on to test is something bigger; like a holy weapon, or even a modern firearm to see if she's right that I could enhance something modern and turn it into a holy weapon."

"You couldn't… Make them yourself?" you ask. "If you're counting weapons alongside the other holy relics you listed, then is it possible you could also create holy versions of mundane weapons from scratch? Or even just mundane weapons from scratch?"

"Sure," Nurse Ortensia replies. "Find me a modern weapon that's been blessed by a priest and been declared an official holy relic, and I'm sure I could convince this arm of mine to make me a copy. But I personally don't know of any; maybe there are some out there, maybe not."

You aren't sure if anything like what Nurse Ortensia is asking for exists, either. But before you're able to tell her so, she points to your left arm and, wrapping her own arm back in her holy shroud, says "You might want to get that checked out. I think you've been experimenting too much.

You hadn't noticed it when you were practicing, but now that Nurse Ortensia has pointed it out, it's as clear as day. Radiating out from your Soul Gem are several thin, smoky black lines crawling underneath your skin. Oh. Oh, dear. They form a small circle around your Soul Gem, almost like a knot, and then travel up your wrist, darting underneath your sleeve, which you roll up to reveal that they crawl at least up to your elbow. "I'd get that checked out if I were you," Nurse Ortensia says. "Maybe take one of those black seeds you girls use to keep your magic in check, or tell Archer you're experiencing whatever it was Kaname had. It kind of makes you look like you're shooting up some pretty nasty stuff."

In effect, you kind of have, with how so many of your experiments have either involved or required you to reabsorb Grief into your body in order to continue testing. You flex your hand a few times, curling your fingers into fists, twisting your wrist, and bending your elbow. "It doesn't hurt," you say.

"It doesn't have to hurt to be doing serious damage inside your arm," Nurse Ortensia says. "Again, if you're not going to take one of those seed things, I'd seriously recommend getting that checked out if I were you. I'm in a lot of pain right now, but I can take a look if you'd like; or I can call Archer over here and have him take a look at it. You are his daughter, and he's got a right to know what's going on with your health."

Do you
[ ] Take a Grief Seed
[ ] Ask Nurse Ortensia to take a look at it
[ ] Ask Archer to take a look at it
-[ ] Oh crap, dad's going to kill you isn't he?
-[ ] Oh crap, Kirika's going to kill you, isn't she?
-[ ] Oh crap, mom's going to kill you, isn't she?
--[ ] Speaking of mom, how are you going to break the news to her that you're a witch? (write-in)
[ ] Do nothing; keep it hidden, keep a watch on it, and document what happens, but don't let it get so bad that you witch out
[ ] Ask Kazumi if she's experiencing similar symptoms from working with her own witch abilities
[ ] Other (write-in)
 
[X] Plan: That Doesn't Look Good
-[X] Take a Grief Seed, ask Nurse Ortensia to look at it if that doesn't work
-[X] Ask Kazumi if she's experiencing similar symptoms from working with her own witch abilities
-[X] As for how to break the fact that you're a witch to mom, try and do it over the phone so that she has time to simmer before you meet her.
--[X] Try and downplay the risks you took by saying that you've had precedent for this stuff and have been doing it for a year (technically you have), so you don't get why everyone's freaking out.

If you need more from me, I can provide.
 
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All, right, hopefully I was able to accurately capture the rundown Plague gave me for Barbara's abilities. I used the primer he wrote up in combination with Barbara's own stat sheet, and tried to get everything as good as I could get. I was still iffy on letting Caren vis a vis Barbara summon modern weapons, so hopefully the compromise of "they need to be documented holy relics for her to summon, as part of her ability to summon other holy relics" is an adequate compromise. I can go back and rework that if it isn't or if I got something majorly wrong in the way I described it.

That said, if we can find that image of an Orthodox priest blessing a table full of Kalashnikov rifles, that might be good enough for Caren. Or maybe we could even convince her to bless some of our own firearms if we wanted to be cheeky.

If you're wondering why the ultimate form of Barbara's lightning NP takes the form of a tower, it has to do with her legend, referencing the tower her father kept her locked away in to "protect her from the outside world". In terms of visual inspiration, if you want to imagine what that actually looks like, there's a chapter in Shaman King (holy shit, SVS making a Shaman King reference? Who'd have thought?) where the character Lyserg Diethel (yes, that is his name, and yes, it is a reference to LSD; I'm not kidding) uses his spirit to make a replica of the Clocktower out of wire. I don't have a link to the chapter in question, but if you're familiar with Shaman King then you should have an image of what I'm referencing. It's hella cool and if you don't know what I'm talking about I encourage you to read Shaman King for yourself.

As an aside, the cross-shaped explosions that go off whenever Caren's holy lightning destroys something are a reference to Evangelion, if it weren't clear enough.

As for Homura, as I mentioned to Plague, Homura's funeral dress appearance from Rebellion was my inspiration for making her a witch that retains her human form. Originally, I wanted to use the red spiderweb cracks that form on her face as she activates her witch powers against Kyubey, but I thought maintaining a visual language consistent with what I've already depicted was more important than doing something that looked cool for the reference.
If you need more from me, I can provide.
I don't know if I do or not, but what I do know is that you are damn fast when you want to be. Didn't even wait for me to give my usual after-update report.
 
[X] Plan: That Doesn't Look Good

All, right, hopefully I was able to accurately capture the rundown Plague gave me for Barbara's abilities. I used the primer he wrote up in combination with Barbara's own stat sheet, and tried to get everything as good as I could get. I was still iffy on letting Caren vis a vis Barbara summon modern weapons, so hopefully the compromise of "they need to be documented holy relics for her to summon, as part of her ability to summon other holy relics" is an adequate compromise. I can go back and rework that if it isn't or if I got something majorly wrong in the way I described it.

That said, if we can find that image of an Orthodox priest blessing a table full of Kalashnikov rifles, that might be good enough for Caren. Or maybe we could even convince her to bless some of our own firearms if we wanted to be cheeky.

You forget what franchise you're in.

Seventh Holy Scripture/Remake
 
Oh, no, rest assured, I have not forgotten what franchise I'm in. But that franchise is Fate, not Tsukihime. I don't think I've ever once referenced Tsukihime and wouldn't even begin to know where to start. Does this thing exist in Fate, or just Tsukihime?

EDIT: Actually, regardless of whether this thing exists in Fate or not, I don't think Caren would be able to use it. The wiki says that it requires an enormous amount of mana, which Ciel has at ~4000 units of mana, but that Caren does not. I don't even think that with access to Barbara's arm Caren would have enough mana to use this thing.
 
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Oh, no, rest assured, I have not forgotten what franchise I'm in. But that franchise is Fate, not Tsukihime. I don't think I've ever once referenced Tsukihime and wouldn't even begin to know where to start. Does this thing exist in Fate, or just Tsukihime?

EDIT: Actually, regardless of whether this thing exists in Fate or not, I don't think Caren would be able to use it. The wiki says that it requires an enormous amount of mana, which Ciel has at ~4000 units of mana, but that Caren does not. I don't even think that with access to Barbara's arm Caren would have enough mana to use this thing.
The core thing, before getting into if it exists in Fate or not, is to realize that Tsukihime is a timeline where Alaya is weaker, hence why vampires can just do shit more than they can in Fate, since the suppression isn't as strong. They are otherwise practically the same. The specific answer for if it exists is absolutely yes, given that it was supposedly constructed around a thousand years ago. As for if Caren can use it, well, the averages here are a bit fucked. According to some sources, the average magus should be able to output 25 units of mana at any given time (because I absolutely fucked up mana in Type/Moon and permanently added an inconsistency to SVS's quest, sorry SVS), but Ciel has '100 times the average magus' magical energy' and has the hard and fast number of 4000~ units.

So knowing that C-rank means '30 times above average' for Servants, the average is either 25 or 40, meaning that Barbara has either a maximum of 750 units or 1200 units. The SHS is used in prolonged combat by Ciel, not just single-use instances. So Caren probably could use it, just not for long. Also, according to SVS's measurements, Oriko has the maximum mana capacity of roughly 10 Servants with A-ranked mana.
 
As for if Caren can use it, well, the averages here are a bit fucked. According to some sources, the average magus should be able to output 25 units of mana at any given time, but Ciel has '100 times the average magus' magical energy' and has the hard and fast number of 4000~ units.

So knowing that C-rank means '30 times above average' for Servants, the average is either 25 or 40, meaning that Barbara has either a maximum of 750 units or 1200 units. The SHS is used in prolonged combat by Ciel, not just single-use instances. So Caren probably could use it, just not for long.
Just don't think about it, because I'm pretty sure Nasu never did. He was too busy getting high on magic mushrooms and, like Bethesda studios after him, was confident that the fanbase would fix his mistakes for him. Unfortunately, TM has yet to have their Fallout '76 moment, so the fanbase still continues to support Nasu and do the work of making his batshit insane ramblings make sense for him. The important bit is that Caren theoretically could use it, but not for very long.

Also, curious to know if my infodumping would have or changed anything about your vote, since you voted before I could post it.
 
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Eh, probably not too terribly much.
In that, case,
If you need more from me, I can provide.
I know you're not voting for anything in the relevant chain, but I don't know for how much longer we can stay out here and still have things to do, so at some point
--[ ] Speaking of mom, how are you going to break the news to her that you're a witch? (write-in)
We're going to have to figure out how to tell mom that we're a witch. Or else we're planning on letting Archer tell her while we hope she doesn't tan our hide for not saying anything.
 
We're going to have to figure out how to tell mom that we're a witch. Or else we're planning on letting Archer tell her while we hope she doesn't tan our hide for not saying anything.
Alright, did my best. Might also be interesting to note that I wanted to try leaving the grief in Homura's body to see what would happen to her, but NMS wouldn't vote for that and that would make Homura's phone call to Minako a lot more awkward given that she apparently looks like she takes evil cursed heroin.
 
[X] Plan: That Doesn't Look Good

We should really find a new name for whatever Homura is soon. Calling her a "Witch" just seems to be giving people the wrong impression.
 
We should really find a new name for whatever Homura is soon. Calling her a "Witch" just seems to be giving people the wrong impression.
I did have Homura make the suggestion "mahou josei" to Juubey earlier. Now, if memory serves me, "puella magi" is not a 100% accurate Latin translation of "mahou shoujo" but I can't remember in which way it's incorrect. But if I knew in what way it was incorrect, I'd suggest the incorrect Latin version of "mahou josei" as our replacement term. Of course, this all rides on the Incubator collective deciding that a new term is warranted, or else we could just call ourselves anything we wanted.

That said, giving people the wrong impression actually is the idea, at least from a meta perspective. Both Homura and Sidonia are "witches" who are capable of manipulating Grief, but they're on complete opposite sides of the main conflict.
 
Day 28 Chapter 19
[X] Plan: That Doesn't Look Good



"You might want to get that checked out. I think you've been experimenting too much.

You hadn't noticed it when you were practicing, but now that Nurse Ortensia has pointed it out, it's as clear as day. Radiating out from your Soul Gem are several thin, smoky black lines crawling underneath your skin. Oh. Oh, dear. They form a small circle around your Soul Gem, almost like a knot, and then travel up your wrist, darting underneath your sleeve, which you roll up to reveal that they crawl at least up to your elbow. "I'd get that checked out if I were you," Nurse Ortensia says. "Maybe take one of those black seeds you girls use to keep your magic in check, or tell Archer you're experiencing whatever it was Kaname had. It kind of makes you look like you're shooting up some pretty nasty stuff."

In effect, you kind of have, with how so many of your experiments have either involved or required you to reabsorb Grief into your body in order to continue testing. You flex your hand a few times, curling your fingers into fists, twisting your wrist, and bending your elbow. "It doesn't hurt," you say.

"It doesn't have to hurt to be doing serious damage inside your arm," Nurse Ortensia says. "Again, if you're not going to take one of those seed things, I'd seriously recommend getting that checked out if I were you. I'm in a lot of pain right now, but I can take a look if you'd like; or I can call Archer over here and have him take a look at it. You are his daughter, and he's got a right to know what's going on with your health."

"No, that's fine," you say. "I appreciate the offer, but I've already made Archer worry enough as it is." You'll take care of this on your own; or, barring that, ask Nurse Ortensia to look at it for you.

You fumble through your pocket for a Grief Seed. This one is almost unused; you think Kirika might have used it last, it has so little Grief in it, and she doesn't need much to cleanse her Soul Gem. Holding your breath, you touch the Seed to your Soul Gem; and breathe out as the black veins recede. You return the Seed to your pocket, and give your arm another experimental flex.

"It feels fine," you say. "Still no pain, and the black lines have receded back into my Soul Gem." The same black lines you saw on Madoka's face the other day. This is what you get for experimenting with Grief. "But, maybe you'd still like to take a look at it, just to be safe?"

Nurse Ortensia rolls her eyes, and lets out a loud huff as she crouches down until she's at eye level with you. "You're lucky my cousin likes your sister so much," she says. "Or else I'd never give you the time of day like this."

You nod your head. It's all you can do to pretend like Nurse Ortensia doesn't really care as much as she pretends not to. While she looks your arm over, you ask her a question that's been on your mind for a while. "I'm sorry if you've been asked this before," you say, "But, how old are you? I know you're Oriko's older cousin, but I don't think I actually know by how much older you are."

For that matter, you aren't even sure whether Oriko knows that information.

"I'm twenty-four," Nurse Ortensia replies. Only twenty-four? Nurse Ortensia is a decade younger than your mom? "Oriko is younger than my by a little under seven years." She waves her other hand, the hand she isn't using to examine your arm, and adds "I was born in the middle of February, while Oriko was born at the end of May. So it's just shy of seven years' difference between us."

"For someone who's only twenty-four, it seems like you've got it pretty well made, all things considered. Does the Church normally give as much autonomy as they've given you to other agents your age?"

"It depends on how useful they are to the Church," Nurse Ortensia replies. "My father was actually a year younger than I am when he and my mother had me, and according to the Church's records, was appointed as an Executor at the age of ten." At the age of ten? You know Archer has told you stories about his own experiences at the hands of Kotomine Kirei, but just who was this man, really? Nurse Ortensia shrugs, adding "As for myself, I spent from ages two to eight being raised alternatively by my aunt and grandmother, or by the priest who was, how shall we say… Abusing me into a position where I'd be useful to the Church. After that, at the age of ten I was moved into an abbey in France where I continued my training for another five years, until someone decided to have me transferred to Fuyuki to oversee the church that used to belong to my father, and his father before him."

You don't recall from your Catholic studies what is required for a priest to lead a church, but you're quite certain age has to be a deciding factor; "And, that was when you were fifteen, correct?"

Nurse Ortensia nods her head. "I know it sounds impossible, but my education at Cîteaux Abbey was very thorough. Despite my age, I was pushed through advanced academic and theology courses in preparation for my future role, in addition to being expected to carry out my usual exorcism duties. I may not look it, but I do in fact have a Master's degree in theology."

"Have you… Ever wanted to take your education further than that?" you ask. "What would be the next step for you, if that was something you wanted?"

"Frankly, where I am right now is about the highest I'll ever get within the Church," Nurse Ortensia replies. "It's usually impossible for a woman to become a priest; I suppose I was given an exception due to my usefulness to the Church, but even with a doctorate in theology I could never become a bishop; not that I'd want to, mind you. I rather like my current position, and putting in extra work just for the pleasure of climbing the ranks doesn't suit me. But even assuming that I wanted to and had put in the work to receive the required education, my age, the fact that I'm not a virgin, and the fact that my parents weren't married when I was born, means I couldn't possibly advance any higher than I already am."

Nurse Ortensia shrugs her should again, adding "So why bother? Putting the extra work gets me nowhere, and I rather like where I am right now." Tapping your arm one final time, Nurse Ortensia says "Your arm is fine. I'm not detecting the presence of anything that shouldn't be there," and lets you go, but not before adding "You should really tell Archer about what just happened, you know. I'm sure he's worried about you."

You try to dance around the fact that you don't really want to tell Archer any more than he already knows, by saying "Thank you," to Nurse Ortensia, "For being so willing to look at my arm," as you leave. You've worried Archer enough already with your antics; telling him that you took on Grief and it made your arm look like that – like Madoka's face – would just cause him further worry.

But you will call your mother and let her know. Not because you want to make her worry – like Archer, you hate the feeling you get in your stomach whenever your magical girl duties cause your mother to worry – but because you want to head Archer off and tell her first. You've got the feeling that, if mom finds out from Archer and not you, she'll react worse and punish you more harshly than if you're just honest with her from the start.

That was your initial plan going into this, but when you hear your mother's voice on the other end asking "Homura? Sweetie, is something wrong?" you find it hard to speak up.

"Well, mom… I've got something important I need to tell you, and it's… It's kind of not going to be pleasant."

"Oh, sweetie, what happened?" There's that feeling in your stomach. "Did you or Kirika get hurt?"

"No, it's…" It's now or never. "Mom, I'm a witch."

Silence. Then, "What…? What do you mean, 'you're a witch'? I thought witches were what you girls turned into when you… Oh, sweetie, what happened? What did you do to yourself? Are you okay? Does it hurt? Are you-?"

"I'm fine, mom." You aren't fine. You've made your parents worried sick about you. "I'm still me. The Incubator said that I'm a witch because I'm able to manipulate my Grief like one, and they don't have a better word for someone who can do that but still be them. I'm fine."

"But you're not fine, Homura. I can hear it in your voice."

"That's because I knew you'd react poorly to me telling you," you say. "I know Kirika and I make you worry all the time, and I feel bad about having to tell you because I know you'll just worry even more, but…" Your voice trails off. "I'm sorry I make you worry about me all the time, mom. I'm fine, really, I am. This is… Well, this is something I've been practicing for over a year now, just starting to come to fruition." It's technically true; you have been practicing with your Inguz rune for over a year. Just not with this application, and never to this extent before.

"Does your father know about this?"


"I told him and Kirika already," you say. "Dad said he's going to punish me for putting myself in danger once this mess is over with."

"He'd better. I don't want to hear that my baby girl's gone and done something to herself that she can't take back." There's a loud sigh coming from the other end, and Minako says "And here I thought you were the smart one… Put your father on, I want to talk to him about this."

"All right." You don't like the direction this is going in, but you'll do as your mother tells you and get Archer. "Hey, dad, mom wants to speak to you." You approach Archer, offering him your phone. "It's about… You know. I told her."

Archer stares at you, still disapproving of your shenanigans, and with a tense "Give me that," he takes the phone from you. "Minako? Yeah, I'm here. What did Homura tell you…?"

You slink away while you still can, and head over to speak to Kazumi while Archer and Minako converse over the phone. As far as you can tell, she's still having trouble controlling her hole in reality; or else she's not trying hard enough out of a fear of what it could do if it went out of control. "Hey, do you have a moment?" you ask as you approach where Kazumi and Scáthach are practicing.

They stop, and Kazumi looks at you. "Sure, what's up?" she asks. "Need something?"

"Well, I noticed that after I'd been practicing for a bit, I had… Grief marks, running up my arm from my Soul Gem," you say. "I was just wondering if the same thing was happening to you, or if you were fine."

"Um… I feel fine?" Kazumi offers, making it sound more like a question than a response. "Should I not?"

"I felt fine too, but Nurse Ortensia noticed that Grief was crawling up my arm after I'd finished practicing, so I just thought you should be aware of it if it were happening to you."

"Um…" Kazumi's fingers brush against her side-locks, parting them on the right side. "Well, my Soul Gem's here, it's my earring, so if it's coming out of your Soul Gem, then it should be black on the side of my head, right?"

You and Scáthach take a look as Kazumi shows you her right ear, previously hidden underneath her short black hair. Sure enough, you can see the black Grief marks. In fact, almost her entire right ear is black, and it trails down the side of her neck like a few loose strands of hair; if she hadn't parted her hair to show you, you might not have known that was her ear against the natural colour of her hair.

"Goodness, master," Scáthach says. "That… Does not look healthy."

"Doesn't it?" Kazumi sounds nervous. "What should I do? Can it be cleaned up like normal, or am I…?"

"It's fine," you say. "Just tap a Grief Seed to it, and you'll be fine."

"Is that what you did?"

"This does not seem like such a good idea, if it's having such a detrimental effect on your bodies' wellbeing." You'll take Scáthach's complaint a bit more seriously in light of what happened to you. "Are you sure you should be experimenting like this if it's going to be slowly corrupting your bodies?"

As you consider Scáthach's question, Kazumi reaches into her pocket for a Grief Seed. Tapping it to her Soul Gem, you watch as the blackness is slowly drained from her ear, returning it and the surrounding flesh to its previous cream colour. You give Kazumi a nudge, and say "You should probably have Nurse Ortensia take a look at your ear."

"At this point, I really do not know anymore. Maybe it is more dangerous than I've given it credit for. But we're not dead yet."

[ ] Wat do?
 
I need to take a moment to rant, because this came up as I was typing and it really, and I mean really, got to me. So, according to the TM wiki, Caren spent eight years being trained in her Church duties by an abusive priest, who disliked that her mother hadn't been married to her father when she'd had Caren. Okay, that's well and good enough, except everything after that gets fucked, because after eight years of that - so Caren should be around ten years old, if I've done my math correctly - Caren is promoted to priestess and is accepted into Citeaux Abbey (which is a real abbey located in France) to fulfill her religious obligations. Now, first of all, the actual, real-world Roman Catholic Church does not have "priestesses" - I assume based on the context that Caren would have been a nun, since that would fit with where she was sent - and women are not allowed to be priests, besides that.

Okay, so maybe Nasu got some of the terms wrong, but what's the problem here? Caren is a nun, and that much is pretty well evident. Well, the problem is that Caren is specifically sent to Fuyuki to be a priest - as in, the actual liturgical rank of priest - to replace Kirei and head the church there. When she's fifteen. When the real-world Roman Catholic Church treats the priesthood as a serious career and requires a Bachelor's and a Master's in theology. Again, when Caren is fifteen. I cannot begin to describe what is wrong with this picture. Woman cannot be priests. A fifteen year old, unless they are an exceptional prodigy among prodigies, is not going to have a Master's degree, and even if they did, no sane, real-world organisation would put a fifteen-year-old in charge of an entire installation, even if they are literally the only person there. I know TM has a problem with their characters' ages - Kirei becoming an Executor when he was ten, for example - but this was the one that really did it for me.

So, apparently, Caren is a genius who received her Master's at fifteen. That's the only way I can reconcile what canon says with what reality says. Cool.

Incidentally, all of Caren's complaints (her age, her not being a virgin, her being born out of wedlock) are all real reasons to not promote a nun to abbess (the female head of an abbey). To become an abbess, which for where she is would be the only upward mobility Caren could realistically achieve from here, would require her to be a virgin, to be at least forty and to have been a nun for at least ten years, and to have been born to married parents. Caren is none of those things, so she sees no reason to further her religious education.

I don't have much to say about this one, because the bulk of what I had to say is located above. We should probably decide whether there's anything else we want to address while we're still here, we should decide when we'd like to meet up with Rin so she can tell us about the Third Magic, and we should decide what we're going to do when we get back to Oriko's mansion and our parents decide to scold us more.
 
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[X] Plan: Continue To Denote That This Is Not A Good Thing
-[X] Denote that you and Kazumi should probably not practice your witch powers unless you have nearby grief seeds and people to watch over you, or if it's a life threatening situation.
-[X] Make plans for meeting with Rin to ask about the Third Magic and the Einzberns; either just ask her over the phone or let her schedule a time to talk about it.
-[X] When you get back home, try and make a case for how you've already been doing experiments of this nature even before Walpurgisnacht existed, so you don't see what the fuss is about now. Pray to a lord you probably only partially believe in that they will still let you see Madoka after this.

All I can think of to do here. I also know that I'm just making excuses for Nasu, especially ones he gets wrong about my own religion, but... technically, a priest is not solely a position in the church, it's someone who has the authority to administer rites and sacraments. As you have shown that she knows the basic Baptism Rite and she canonically knows how to use the Shroud of Magdalene on top of probably minor church training, she is technically a priest because of her abilities. As for her being the overseer of Fuyuki Church, that particular church is own by the Holy Church, not the Roman Catholic Church; the Holy Church is basically a subsidiary of various churches, predominantly the Roman Catholic Church, it is not beholden to the same rules and gives ranks based on zealotry and effectiveness rather theological knowledge or various qualifiers. We also know that the Holy Church often grants 'gifts' to various people like Kirei or even Caren herself (in magic circuits and the Shroud of Magdalene respectively), so taking her father's position might've been something the Holy Church thought she might've wanted, even though that's absolutely wrong.

In essence, think of the Holy Church more like Section XIII from Hellsing. Subservient to the church, but ultimately independent, and more than willing to beat down any heretics, blasphemers, or corrupt officials that so happen to exist within their line of site, on top of operating on entirely different principals.
 
All I can think of to do here. I also know that I'm just making excuses for Nasu, especially ones he gets wrong about my own religion, but... technically, a priest is not solely a position in the church, it's someone who has the authority to administer rites and sacraments. As you have shown that she knows the basic Baptism Rite and she canonically knows how to use the Shroud of Magdalene on top of probably minor church training, she is technically a priest because of her abilities.
At this point, I think making excuses for Nasu does his franchise more harm than good, because it encourages him to remain in the mindset of "Oh, well if I say something that doesn't make sense, the fans will just figure it out for me" just like how Bethesda got so complacent that their modding communities would fix their games for them that they willfully released a buggy, unplayable mess and just expected everyone to be okay with it (plain corporate greed aside, the fact is Bethesda games have very active modding communities and the fans really do fix Bethesda's games for them). The problem is, outside of the fanbase universally rejecting the Tsukihime anime and throwing a hissy fit about giving Arc a shorter skirt, TM has yet to have their Fallout '76 moment. But I've said all this before.

That said, while I'm aware of the distinction between "a priest" and "a priest" Caren was specifically sent to Fuyuki to take over the church from her father, whom I presume is an actual priest and not just "a priest" (Rin calling Kirei a "fake priest" aside, I always assumed by that she refused to believe someone of Kirei's demeanour could be a priest, and not that she's saying he isn't a real priest). So if she's being sent to replace him to head the church in Fuyuki, and not just to be a caretaker until another real priest arrives, then Caren must also be an actual priest. Which means she needs the proper education.
 
[X] Plan: Continue To Denote That This Is Not A Good Thing


When has any Japanese series gotten the Catholic Church right?

That said, while I'm aware of the distinction between "a priest" and "a priest" Caren was specifically sent to Fuyuki to take over the church from her father, whom I presume is an actual priest and not just "a priest" (Rin calling Kirei a "fake priest" aside, I always assumed by that she refused to believe someone of Kirei's demeanour could be a priest, and not that she's saying he isn't a real priest). So if she's being sent to replace him to head the church in Fuyuki, and not just to be a caretaker until another real priest arrives, then Caren must also be an actual priest. Which means she needs the proper education.


IIRC, Kirei can't be a real priest because he had a wife. He would only have been able to be a Deacon at best.
 
IIRC, Kirei can't be a real priest because he had a wife. He would only have been able to be a Deacon at best.
I was unsure of this one when I came across it, because not only does Japan just plain get Christianity wrong all the time, but also because Kirei was, at the time he took over the Fuyuki church from his father, unmarried. And he never remarried afterwards. Theoretically - though correct me if I'm wrong and you have to be never-married rather than just unmarried - Kirei still could have been an actual priest as long as he had his Master's in theology, which he very well could have by age 28. That said, Kirei and Claudia weren't actually married, and as I mention in my rant up above, the priest responsible for giving baby Caren her religious instruction was abusive towards her specifically because she was born out of wedlock.

But I want to take a step away from TM for a second and address one of the other, really, really awful fuckups Japan has made regarding their portrayal of Christianity, and thank you Plague for mentioning this because now I get to rant about it.
In essence, think of the Holy Church more like Section XIII from Hellsing. Subservient to the church, but ultimately independent, and more than willing to beat down any heretics, blasphemers, or corrupt officials that so happen to exist within their line of site, on top of operating on entirely different principals.
Abraham van Hellsing was a Catholic. And Dutch. So what the fresh Hell(sing) are his descendants doing running an organisation that's loyal to the (Anglican) Church of England? You can't even blame the English schism for this, because that took place in 16th century, while Dracula was published in 1897. What the fuck happened in the intervening 300~ years? Just make the Hellsing Organisation part of the Catholic Church, and you can still have vampires and Nazis as the main antagonists without having to go through this religious shenani-fuckery.
 
Abraham van Hellsing was a Catholic. And Dutch. So what the fresh Hell(sing) are his descendants doing running an organisation that's loyal to the (Anglican) Church of England? You can't even blame the English schism for this, because that took place in 16th century, while Dracula was published in 1897. What the fuck happened in the intervening 300~ years? Just make the Hellsing Organisation part of the Catholic Church, and you can still have vampires and Nazis as the main antagonists without having to go through this religious shenani-fuckery.
Odd part is that in Hellsing, the Hellsing organization is Protestant. So even if you excuse that they probably didn't know that much about the source material (they probably didn't), they should have a pretty big frickin' gap in beliefs. Maybe the Queen just kept the Hellsing organization when they changed religions because of her fondness for Alucard? I don't know, and I might want to get out of the habit of making excuses for material like this. Plus, I don't know much about Hellsing outside of Abridged and a few wiki dives.

When has any Japanese series gotten the Catholic Church right?
As something along the lines of a Christian who was raised as a Catholic, you don't need to tell me (probably not SVS either). When I was younger, some of this shit made me furious. Now I understand that Japan doesn't even really respect the culture inherent to itself, so I don't even really care any more.
 
Odd part is that in Hellsing, the Hellsing organization is Protestant. So even if you excuse that they probably didn't know that much about the source material (they probably didn't), they should have a pretty big frickin' gap in beliefs. Maybe the Queen just kept the Hellsing organization when they changed religions because of her fondness for Alucard?
Right, Protestant. I get the non-Catholic denominations mixed up pretty often. But I don't think the switch would have happened under Elizabeth. More likely, I think the switch would have occurred in 1917, concurrent with George V changing the house of Saxe-Coburg to the house of Windsor to avoid connections with Germany, which the English royal family had in spades. Now, the German house of Wettin, to which the house of Saxe-Coburg is a branch of, was also Protestant at this time, so it doesn't make any sense to have switched from Catholic to Protestant, but based on my knowledge of history this is when I think is most likely for the switch to have been made.

Of course, notwithstanding is the much more likely explanation that Kouta Hirano was just unfamiliar with the source material. I'm speaking in terms of what might have happened, narratively, to achieve what we see in the text.
Plus, I don't know much about Hellsing outside of Abridged and a few wiki dives.
I'll say this much- Hellsing is such a clusterfuck that, even though I've seen the original TV series, the Ultimate OVAs, and read the manga, I somehow know less about Hellsing than I do about Dracula, which I've never read and have never seen any film adaptations of. Just for reference.

I think I should just stick to Symphogear. It may be equally as ridiculous, but at least it doesn't pretend to take its ridiculousness seriously.
 
Attn @PlaguePaladin @NMS @K4lepo

While you all wait for me to write out today's update, may I (re-)submit for your consideration this topic?
We should really find a new name for whatever Homura is soon. Calling her a "Witch" just seems to be giving people the wrong impression.
I did have Homura make the suggestion "mahou josei" to Juubey earlier. Now, if memory serves me, "puella magi" is not a 100% accurate Latin translation of "mahou shoujo" but I can't remember in which way it's incorrect. But if I knew in what way it was incorrect, I'd suggest the incorrect Latin version of "mahou josei" as our replacement term. Of course, this all rides on the Incubator collective deciding that a new term is warranted, or else we could just call ourselves anything we wanted.
Both so that we maybe have something we can present to our parents to say "Look, we're not a witch, we're a ___!" and to kill these last two posts before the page turn. You don't have to agree with my suggestion if you've got a better idea, or maybe you just want to tell me "No you're wrong" and drop what the correct, incorrect Latin for "mahou josei" would be. It's up to you.

Pretty please?
 
Look, just because he likes Shaman King doesn't mean everything has to be about shamans. /s

In seriousness, my latin try goes with 'Juvenis Maga' for 'young witch'. Not sure about how good a name that is, since it doesn't blunt the blow of being a witch at all, but it's good if you're not trying to convince your parents that you didn't self-experiment with incredibly dangerous magic.
 
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