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Susano said:
However, Egypt went through a phase of monolatry because a pharaoh did pick a personal god, and in the Roman Empire you would absolutely see a "competition" between different gods, with people personally deciding whom to worship.
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In Egypt, this is due to the fact that certain divine groups are associated with a complex of nomes. The First States were essentially a confederation of communities and cities. The supreme god is the patron of the capital.
In Rome, it is worth considering that all the gods are part of the Imperial Order.
 
Comrade Future said:
Spot on the radiant glory of the Golden Age


Or Javert from the latest adaptation of Les Misérables. La Land was also disappointing.
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Brando isn't the best singer but he's performing the song as it's meant to be, which makes him sound more off key than he is.

Also while he wasn't the best choice for the character, Russell Crowe can actually competently sing. It's just that Hooper can't direct musicals to save his life and got the worst performance possible from every singer.
 
Susano said:
There is a word for that in religious studies; it's called henotheism: The worship of a single god while acknowledging others.
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"Also, for some reason the god is a chicken."

"What?"

"Don't look at me, I didn't coin the term. But theism is about gods and a hen is a hen, so that gets you god chickens."

"...what about roosters?"

"Probably Satan."

"I know roosters...so, yeah."
 
Konradleijon said:
but Hindus have festivals where they worship different gods right? Even if some gods are part of other gods? But their different aspects. And where one god ends and another begins is hazy. Shinto worships different Gods/Spirts. Where did fantasy writers get that idea from. Most gods weren't jelious if people pray to a different-one
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From my limited understanding of Shinto, devotions to a specific deity or spirit are usually associated with their particular days or festivals or similar, being about to embark on some endeavor, or a belief that due to events in your life they must be supplicated as you are clearly not in their favor. Religious devotion in general, however, as practiced in one's daily life, is more addressed "to whom it may concern".

Susano said:
For example, during Octavian's time, Isis was probably the most popular deity of the empire.
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Yeah. Mithridates was practically the chosen deity of the legions starting in the middle of the Principate, and the reason we know basically anything about Mithridatism (which was a mystery cult and somewhat secretive) is from studying the remains of various Roman military encampments where it was practiced. A lot of them in Britain, for a god of the Middle East.
 
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I think Hugh Jackman did fine in Les Mis. That movies problems had way more to do with how they chose to shoot and direct the movie than anything else. Like how characters will get an extreme close up while they blast out notes like they're in an opera.

Mostly because they wanted their oscar noms. With all the best songs being from second stringer characters as a result.
 
Reveen said:
I think Hugh Jackman did fine in Les Mis. That movies problems had way more to do with how they chose to shoot and direct the movie than anything else. Like how characters will get an extreme close up while they blast out notes like they're in an opera.

Mostly because they wanted their oscar noms. With all the best songs being from second stringer characters as a result.
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I have seen a breakdown of how that director directs musicals and it is some 'try and recreate how musicals are done from first principles and thus make things worse' stuff. Basically they tell the singer to sing it, and the orchestra to follow. Rather than either the singer following the music, or doing rehearsals to figure out how the singer's going to do it, have the orchestra then proceed to perform with that in mind, and then have the singer work on that. When the person is a veteran of musicals it works, but when they are an actor first, it hurts.


They did Cats too.
 
Athene said:
Brando isn't the best singer but he's performing the song as it's meant to be, which makes him sound more off key than he is.
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You see, the point is - initially they wanted to take Frank Sinatra for the main role, but Marlon Brando demanded it for himself. And Sinatra's name needs no introduction - when it comes to music (though in the 50s he was more in demand as an actor).
Athene said:
It's just that Hooper can't direct musicals to save his life and got the worst performance possible from every singer.
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It seems that nowadays only a couple of people in the American film industry understand anything about musicals. And one of them got stuck with the 20th Century Fox method.
 
Q99 said:
I have seen a breakdown of how that director directs musicals and it is some 'try and recreate how musicals are done from first principles and thus make things worse' stuff. Basically they tell the singer to sing it, and the orchestra to follow. Rather than either the singer following the music, or doing rehearsals to figure out how the singer's going to do it, have the orchestra then proceed to perform with that in mind, and then have the singer work on that. When the person is a veteran of musicals it works, but when they are an actor first, it hurts.


They did Cats too.
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Sideways has multiple strokes mid-videos while talking about the productions of Les Miserables and Cats. It's genuinely amazing to watch. Like a train crash.
 
When in fiction, the faction going against the evil regime is simply called "The Resistance."

There are a thousand more inventive names the rebels could come up with for their organization like New Way or Chain Breakers. Any other name for your group of rebels than the generic Resistance will work. Simply calling themselves "The Resistance," makes me go, "Really? THAT'S the best you could come up with?"
 
Tundra Sniper said:
When in fiction, the faction going against the evil regime is simply called "The Resistance."

There are a thousand more inventive names the rebels could come up with for their organization like New Way or Chain Breakers. Any other name for your group of rebels than the generic Resistance will work. Simply calling themselves "The Resistance," makes me go, "Really? THAT'S the best you could come up with?"
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Because the French did it.
 
Tundra Sniper said:
When in fiction, the faction going against the evil regime is simply called "The Resistance."

There are a thousand more inventive names the rebels could come up with for their organization like New Way or Chain Breakers. Any other name for your group of rebels than the generic Resistance will work.
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The Ohm Resistance Movement.

"Don't use lightning spells, that never works on these guys for some reason."
 
Tundra Sniper said:
When in fiction, the faction going against the evil regime is simply called "The Resistance."

There are a thousand more inventive names the rebels could come up with for their organization like New Way or Chain Breakers. Any other name for your group of rebels than the generic Resistance will work. Simply calling themselves "The Resistance," makes me go, "Really? THAT'S the best you could come up with?"
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To be fair WW2 did a great job in bulldozing all disparate resistance groups in general *X resistance* terms depending on the country.

Partly to avoid having to explain who is backed by whom and partly because it is much easier for newspapers to attribute actions to national resistances.
 
Eliar said:
To be fair WW2 did a great job in bulldozing all disparate resistance groups in general *X resistance* terms depending on the country.

Partly to avoid having to explain who is backed by whom and partly because it is much easier for newspapers to attribute actions to national resistances.
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Also, most resistances didn't really have the luxury of fighting each other considering the fucking Nazis, and more broadly, large swathes of them were backed into being a coordinated national group..

...by being coordinated by British SOE.
 
Night said:
Also, most resistances didn't really have the luxury of fighting each other considering the fucking Nazis, and more broadly, large swathes of them were backed into being a coordinated national group..

...by being coordinated by British SOE.
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I will have to dispute that considering the absolute bloodbath between resistance groups in East europe and the Balkans.
 
Sarissa said:
But this notably did not happen in France. French Resistance was crippled by personal and ideological infighting.
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I meant in recognition.

Ofc there were 2 dozen seperate resistance teams of various names and affiliations in every occupied country but the world heard about the French Resistance or Greek resistance or Dutch resistance and so on and so forth.
 
Rebel feels like it has been culturally monopolized by Star Wars, and Resistance sounds less aggressive and forceful and doesn't have a name with actually political connotations.

My problem with it is that it really does sound relatively passive and reactive. Especially for a work that's supposed to be more bombastic like Star Wars. You're stoically standing firm against the Empire instead, y'know, flying out and wrecking some fucking space Nazis.

Which is actually how the sequel movies feel honestly. That aside from a few instances the heroes are mostly reactive and running away from the first order.
 
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Tundra Sniper said:
When in fiction, the faction going against the evil regime is simply called "The Resistance."

There are a thousand more inventive names the rebels could come up with for their organization like New Way or Chain Breakers. Any other name for your group of rebels than the generic Resistance will work. Simply calling themselves "The Resistance," makes me go, "Really? THAT'S the best you could come up with?"
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Yeah maybe it will make sense if the rebels against the Evil empire/corporation Are collectively called the Resistance. But the differing groups that each rebel for their own reason have their own names. Speaking of revolution the black and white way people portray resistance moments, which are either the plucky Star Wars heros Or ruthless maniacs worse then the empire. Like theirs rarely nuance.
 
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