Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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So long as they exist, they will seek to influence us, especially during moments when we can't afford to deal with it! They've got to go!
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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- Original
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- USA
I was going back and forth on wheter to get involved in this but this quote here really ticks me off. If your response to a perfectly valid analysis is "lol you're stupid" then we aren't playing a quest we are playing a puzzle.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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4 Actions each Main Turn and 2 every Mid Turn.
Now you know why she wants the Arthwyd out of her business
This.
I didn't go "lol you're stupid". I am pointing how that I didn't force the posters to vote for continuing war and I did not railroad them into that decision and instead expected them to go for peace.
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Answer is obvious, if we want to be able to fight Urth we must fight differently . If we amass arcane knowledge and not only goddesses divine magic but from other civs as well we will be able to achieve far more than goddesses can ever offer us.
We can make our own champion . Urth has proven that good mage is more valuable than a God, we must take this lesson to heart.
Instead of venerating goddesses we can have powerful individuals that can fight on their own, we are basically saving actions.
And maybe break that stupid believe that only servants of the goddesses should use magic when everyone can do it .
A secular society.
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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So, twice as much as we have, which means it's not exactly a peer power as originally billed.
We can not fight Urth, that's the problem. Urth has twice as many actions as we do, which makes it impossible for us to do anything meaningfull to her.
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@Osha -How bad is this situation exactly?
Is it 'you need to focus on diplomacy' or is it 'you need to do X Y and Z, and ask no questions about the mountain becoming an elephant?'
Like this Audience is straight uprising their minds and panicking now, we need some very deliberate pointing in the right direction or we are toast.
Is it 'you need to focus on diplomacy' or is it 'you need to do X Y and Z, and ask no questions about the mountain becoming an elephant?'
Like this Audience is straight uprising their minds and panicking now, we need some very deliberate pointing in the right direction or we are toast.
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That is why we must create a champion that can fight Urth for us while we run the civ.
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I don't think anyone has accused you of railroading people into this conflict. Trying (and failing) to railroad people out of it, that accusation has been made.
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Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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Hmm, what form of government do they have? Something decentralized? Because this can't be just from having more Settlements, can it?
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Situation is such that we have no way out. We are in a fight against the enemy against wich we need to achieve certain conditions to win but the problem is that we don't know those conditions and even if we discover them Urth can simply improve himself making all of our actions useless and having us do it all over again.
And not only that but he has daughters that could be like mini him making us having to deal with even more Urth's.
All of that with limited number of actions while having to run a civ and stopping it from fracturing.
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I mean. Its exactly what we'd have if we had 2 provinces at 6/12. So, probably very centralized with more settlements.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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- North America
Maybe oshha should console the players by giving us something useful...
Like Cat Girls.
Like Cat Girls.
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Immortal cat girls that are actually useful.
But if you are willing we can just submit to Urth and get that.
When things didn't go your way, you accused the QM of railroading?
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Not on that bit. I managed to misread something, and hence deleted my post before it could confuse others.
We're not, in fact, at risk of a governement collapse.
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- USA
What part did you misread?
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I missed the line with admin-strain free provinces.
The penalty only kicks in when we get 4 provinces, which isn't happening soon.
I voted for war because I fully expected him to do something like this irregardless of the outcome and I wanted to ensure that Urth actually got the blame and didn't somehow twist it.
Also I don't buy this argument that peace would have stopped the civil war. Urth spent multiple turns prepping a civil war that in no way inconveniences him and peace would have made this guy decide to not act on his plan? Narratively this makes no sense, and is dumb. Author fiat seems to be the only way in which peace would have made Urth actually not initiate the civil war plan and the follow up plan. The civil war weakens us at no expense to him, and if he can throw the lowlands into the conflict why not. Like he concocted a grand plan to get us involved in a civil war and war with the lowlands that took multiple turns to set up and his primary enemy agreeing to peace would cause him to call it off? LOL OK. Also a diplo hero and cultural similarity pretty much ensures he wouldn't take the blame in the lowlands so I don't see how they are lacking in long term good will among the lowlands.
Also I don't buy this argument that peace would have stopped the civil war. Urth spent multiple turns prepping a civil war that in no way inconveniences him and peace would have made this guy decide to not act on his plan? Narratively this makes no sense, and is dumb. Author fiat seems to be the only way in which peace would have made Urth actually not initiate the civil war plan and the follow up plan. The civil war weakens us at no expense to him, and if he can throw the lowlands into the conflict why not. Like he concocted a grand plan to get us involved in a civil war and war with the lowlands that took multiple turns to set up and his primary enemy agreeing to peace would cause him to call it off? LOL OK. Also a diplo hero and cultural similarity pretty much ensures he wouldn't take the blame in the lowlands so I don't see how they are lacking in long term good will among the lowlands.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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- North America
Ew no, I don't want power hungry vampire ladies...
I want warm and loving CAT GIRLS.
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And i want a champion, but from the looks of Catgirls are things that is given free while champion isn't certain even with hard work because goddesses are stopping progress from happening.
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Didn't you said you always write what makes more sense narratively speaking?
Oh, from a meta perspective I don't know if it would be a good idea to do it, maybe it would take the challenge and the fun of the quest from most of the players.
But is there any logical reason IC for the godessess to be able to do it but chosing not to?
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- Titan
I am genuinely surprised that anyone is surprised people voted to go to war. Somebody comes in and steals something you consider a divine gift and tiptoes around you like a joke? What do you expect the internet controlling a "civilization" that has yet to enter the Bronze Age to roleplay besides being (in their own perception) righteously infuriated and go crush skulls? Submit to sterotypical evil sorcerer bait?
I was considering to participate in the quest, but the fact that this came as a surprise to an annoyingly vocal minority broke rule zero for me.
I was considering to participate in the quest, but the fact that this came as a surprise to an annoyingly vocal minority broke rule zero for me.
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I was requesting it be removed because it is a magic that I can't remember ever being relevant in the narrative. It's like it doesn't even exist. And your opinion that it isn't a tool that can be used to warn the ordinary folk that a guarantied set plan is imminent, shows how you feel it shouldn't be used at all. So, can you please remove it, when for the purpose of this civ 'future seeing' is nonexistent?
Yes, let's be righteously infuriated and go crush RIGHT NAO instead of being patient in crushing skulls.
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And give our enemy more time to set even more traps, or birth more daughters and capitalise on his gains.
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