Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%

  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
Well first we should probably get some walls around the rest of greenbay since apparently some angry barbarians with a superiority complex are coming to kill us.
 
@Oshha, could we get some more info on the All-Boar? Tenents, taboos etc. We've had a large population of Boar-Folk under our rule for a while so I would guess that our people have a good read on what they are about.

Also could we get Arthryn's gauge of how strong the All-Boar is? Between the war with Vervov and having ruled over some of his people they have interacted quite a lot.

Edit: and the Magic's he gives the Boar-Folk like the insta-taming of the Dire Boars.
 
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Actually @Oshha now that Vervor was mentioned is there possibility of him being a god?
He was a living legend after all, far greater than any in his time.

And is there a way to get All-Boar into the pantheon? Absorbing more Boar tribes maybe?
 
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@Oshha, could we get some more info on the All-Boar? Tenents, taboos etc. We've had a large population of Boar-Folk under our rule for a while so I would guess that our people have a good read on what they are about.

Also could we get Arthryn's gauge of how strong the All-Boar is? Between the war with Vervov and having ruled over some of his people they have interacted quite a lot.

The Boarfolk believe that he created them and made them superior to any other species. He also created the dire boars and gifted them to the Boarfolk alongside ability to automatically tame them. Beyond that, he is powerful and hands off as he has provided his people with gifts to make them strong rather than baby-sitting them.

The All-Boar and the Boarfolk value strength and loyalty. Strength is being strong and powerful while loyalty is being loyal to your tribe/family and your leader. For the Boarfolk, there is no meaningful different between your family and your tribe. They also value their dire boars greatly because they are sacred gifts from the All-Boar. Because of this, they are very touchy about who gets them and especially who gets to ride them or taught to ride them.

They are also racists/specisists as they believe that are superior to anyone else thanks to the All-Boar making them that way. This makes them highly possessive of their religion and culture as they refuse to adopt new religions and cultures and refuse outsiders to join their religion or culture.

Actually @Oshha now that Vervor was mentioned is there possibility of him being a god?
He was a living legend after all, far greater than any in his time.

No. The Boarfolk are monotheists.
 
@Oshha what would be the best way to create a bronze age army? Do we need to study more metal? Expand mining? Train more warriors? Or all three?

Also I take it nobody has found any horses? I wonder if it would be possible to ride cattle.
 
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@Oshha what would be the best way to create a bronze age army? Do we need to study more metal? Expand mining? Train more warriors? Or all three?

Also I take it nobody has found any horses? I wonder if it would be possible to train cow cavalry.

Define bronze age army. I'm not sure what you are talking about.

No to cow cavalry without magic getting involved. As for horses, they exist, but you don't know if anyone has tamed any yet.
 
Define bronze age army. I'm not sure what you are talking about.

No to cow cavalry without magic getting involved. As for horses, they exist, but you don't know if anyone has tamed any yet.
When you say horses exist do you mean that there are some nearby that we know of? Or just that they exist in the world somewhere that we haven't found yet?
 
Bronze weapons and armor. Organized armies with set command structures, at least some full time soldiers, well defined roles and specialists(archers infantry cook etc).

Basically early ancient warfare.
I'm decently sure that our sacred warriors are already full time, or if not they only do a little hunting on the side.
The weapons and armor will likely come from more study into metal, since all the metal we have used so far (coppertin/silver) didn't really hold an edge well without instantly deforming.

Our Maradysh vassals actually have pretty good organization going on, with mixed unit tactics and cavalry. We likely need to integrate them before we can accept that their semi "barbaric" practices actually have some value for us.
 
I'm decently sure that our sacred warriors are already full time, or if not they only do a little hunting on the side.
The weapons and armor will likely come from more study into metal, since all the metal we have used so far (coppertin/silver) didn't really hold an edge well without instantly deforming.

Our Maradysh vassals actually have pretty good organization going on, with mixed unit tactics and cavalry. We likely need to integrate them before we can accept that their semi "barbaric" practices actually have some value for us.

While being concerned about barbaric practices is fine we should work on diversifying our magic more and crushing that stupid notions about magic being used only by priests and warriors.
 
@Oshha is there a possibility of more people learning magic beside priests and military? For instant crafters.

Yes. Every member of the People can use the divine magics of the goddesses, but for cultural reasons and some logistical reasons, only the priestesses and sacred warriors learn them.

When you say horses exist do you mean that there are some nearby that we know of? Or just that they exist in the world somewhere that we haven't found yet?

Horses exist in your region and are sometimes hunted by your hunters. However, you don't know of any civ which has tamed them.

Yes and equip them to the entire army.

But also a bit about tactics and organization. Everybody seem to be still mostly fighting raids, there aren't any actual organized armies yet.

Bronze weapons and armor. Organized armies with set command structures, at least some full time soldiers, well defined roles and specialists(archers infantry cook etc).

Basically early ancient warfare.

Bronze weapons and armour would require a few things. Firstly, you need casting which you can increases the chances of getting with Study Metal. You would also need the tin mine to get enough tin to make enough bronze. Once you have those to have the logistics to make the bronze weapons and armour, you need to invent them. The easiest and quickest way to do this is via warfare to trigger the motivation to get them.

As for organised and professional armies, you sort of already have them. All of your sacred warriors are full-time professional warriors and you are already divided into two defined roles of the warriors (Catclaws) and the scouts (Cateyes). What you are lacking is formal army with a proper command structure rather than a collection of individual war-bands under the overall command of a ranking Catclaw. You will also need to change your military doctrine as was discussed on the discord (ask @KlinkerKing or @Raichu1972 or @Kiba as I remember them being involved. Or maybe @ManusDomini as he can tell all about how the Arthwyd are waging war wrong).

As everyone else fighting raids, the Caradysh have used organised armies and they claim that the Forluc do as well.

@Oshha what do the boarfolk look like.
Outsiders had come from the east, following the river to its mouth where the Merntir had built their first village.

These outsiders are, well, the Merntir weren't sure if they were people or not, but if they were, they were certainly more different to anyone else that the People, be they Merntir or Arthwyd, had met.

They looked somewhere between a normal person and one of the boars that the hunters sometimes killed. With the ears and noses of a boar, these outsiders had tusks jutting out of their mouths, thick necks, broad shoulders and bulky, muscular bodies as they rode on giant boars, larger than any hunted by the People.

Imposing and armed with spears and bows, these boarfolk seemed to be more interested in trading with the Merntir than fighting them, something that most consider fortunate.
 
Forluc Negaverse - The Northern Demons
Forluc Negaverse - The Northern Demons
(Y) [React] Prepare for war against the Forest Undead. [Secondary Raise Army, Secondary More Farming]

It had started out well for the King of the Riverlands. The Undead were distracted by fighting with the savages up in the north and had given the People some breathing room and time to recover and prepare for a new offensive. If Nalnir granted them his favour, the People would be able to strike at the Forest Undead while they were distracted and weaken by their war in the north, crippling the Foresters for a generation or two and giving the People a chance to expand as they brought more of the Riverlands under the rule of its true masters.

But even as more food was brought in and more warriors were trained, unsettling news flowed in from the north. The fighting had come to an end as the savage tribes of the north were crushed by a previously unknown group in the north, beyond the Riverlands.

They called themselves the Arthwyd and everything about them was an insult to the People as disgusting rumours came south about them.

They were supposedly endless and that there was more of them than even the People and how they had to expand their lands just to make room for all of their People. All of their warriors were elite unmatched combatants that wielded the divine magics of their heathen goddesses with ease. That their warriors went all, but undefeated unless fighting the unnatural like the Forest Dead. They even had those barbaric Pigmen with their oversize pigs serving as part of their military and had used them to wipe out almost every savage warrior in the north.

Not only that, but they were the chosen people of their goddess Arthryn just as the People were the chosen of Nalnir. This goddesses of theirs had blessed the Arthwyd with unmatched power and beauty alongside giving them divine magic just as the Great Nalnir had gifted his own divine magic to the People. Apparently this goddess Arthryn was so great that even the monster Urth was feared her and was afraid of her wrath even through that undead abomination would risk trying his might against Nalnir.

They were even claimed to be better farmers than the People as they were said to wield tools made of a muddy-red stone that was better than any other stone. The Arthwyd were said to be so great, that none of their People had ever starved, something that even the People could not claim.

Worse of all, everyone thought they were better than the People. The Forest Undead and their mastered fear these Arthwyd and their filthy goddesses more than they did the People and the Great Nalnir. The savages of the north spoke about the "Northern Demons" with more fear and respect than they did with either the People or the Foresters. Even the Pigmen apparently held the Arthwyd in high regard and considered them to be worthy opponents, something that they did not think of any of the Riverlanders, whether they were the People or one of the many savage tribes.

This could not stand. The Arthwyd were an insult to everything that the People stood for with their supposed claims of superiority and thinking themselves better than the People. It might take generations, but the People would have to show these upstart savages in the far north why the People were the chosen of Nalnir and that they are truly the greatest people in the world!

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JamRepublic said:
That isn't good. How screwed are we?

Pizzaman said:
And this is why I told you guys that our extreme elitism and xenophobia were bad paths to do down. Look at this mess that they have forced us into.

Moon said:
So everyone else thinks that the Arthwyd are better than us? Time to show those guys who really is the best!

Veeky said:
None of this is good, but this is probably the worst bit that I recognise.
Ossha said:
tools made of a muddy-red stone that was better than any other stone
This is almost certainly copper and if we are really unlucky, bronze. Given that these guys have metal and are beyond the flood plains, I suspect that they may have survived the collapses a few centuries back untouched given how much better they seem to be.

That is just the bits we known about if we assume RL applies to the setting. I am quite concerned about Urth of all people is sacred to pick a fight with their goddess(es) given how willingly he has been to cause trouble for everyone else. Combined with the part where they only have sacred warriors, I am concerned that we got a magic-heavy civ with a powerful religion and a few centuries of technological advancement on us.

This is probably our biggest fears given our values. Elitism, jingoism and xenophobia wrapped up into a superiority complex has given us some nice mechanical boosts and the edge over our nieghbours, but we are seeing the downsides now we got a genuinely superior foe as we are unable to back down even if it may be the smart thing to do.

Chosen Comrade said:
Hah! I told you guys this would happen. I knew this would be the end result of your previous meritocracy.

Dame Felis said:
But the real question is do they have catgirls?

Seriously though, it looks like we are going to be committed to a course of action so we might as well go all the way even it isn't the best.

Cabi said:
Yup. You got warned that extreme elitism is bad, especially when it is propped up with xenophobia. This outcome got predicted a mile away.


Dame Felis said:
Seriously though, it looks like we are going to be committed to a course of action so we might as well go all the way even it isn't the best.

This attitude here is why we are in this situation. You double down when things go wrong and go to extremes when you should try to be more balanced.

Veeky said:
Cabi said:
Yup. You got warned that extreme elitism is bad, especially when it is propped up with xenophobia. This outcome got predicted a mile away.

This attitude here is why we are in this situation. You double down when things go wrong and go to extremes when you should try to be more balanced.

It was the risk we took. We forced ourselves to be the best because it would make our people worker harder and better, but it has also forced us to ensure that we are the best which has left us in this situation where we are not the best and someone else is more powerful than us.

Which unfortunate as we now have to pick a fight with that more powerful person thanks to our values.

ClinkerQueen said:
This is a bad situation and one we have brought upon ourselves. We could have avoided this if we didn't push our superiority complex, but everyone wanted to be a meritocracy in the stone age. This looks to be interesting.

Alphapuncher said:
Dammit. Now how are we suppose to build megaprojects? Stupid Arthwyd.

Dame Felis said:
You guys are being too defeatist. Just because everyone thinks they are better doesn't mean that they are actually better than us. I bet we can take them.

Cabi said:
If we are lucky, the Arthwyd will wreck our faces and will break our stupid superiority complex.

Aqua Eagle said:
Hey, I just found this quest. It looks pretty cool. How are we doing?
 
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