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It's more about ensuring I don't get caught up in some other activity and/or forget I've a vote on you when EoD ends. I don't want to get CFD into losing another Townie, we're already down five to Scum's one.
CHESS MAFIA 2
- Thread starter Terrabrand
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- Mafia
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- Academy City
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I did not expect Shalmoa to have that role in specific, but they were one of the candidates. Shalmoa is enough lower profile (ie, not Nictis / Rosen / Pawn / etc) that you could reasonably expect them to not be copped, and thus don't need to waste a godfather on them.
In terms of claim, I am slightly surprised, in that I had been expecting a scum rook. But scum deciding to take a Bishop + Knight pair was something I considered. At the moment, if my suspicions on the knight and bishop slot are correct, I would hazard a guess towards a rook pawn and a knight > Rook > Queen > Bishop pawn, but I'm less confident in that given how my other plans also turned awry.
Of note, I'm basically certain that the knight is scum - trying to activate 4 pawns, with no additional kills or info gathering roles, and not even a ninja to avoid being watched - seems like a bit much to swallow, but I think it's a good bit more likely than not that the bishop is also part of it.
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I agree, 4 scum pawns seems very unlikely. I think at least one of our pawns should already know whether or not that can be the case by looking at their neighborhoods, but I think it'd be bad to reveal that info even if you have a positive result there. All it would take is knowing that the person you were paired with is a Black Pawn.
I also agree on the point of at least having a scum Knight in play. I'm just pretty sure it's not Knight/Bishop, since I know I'm Town. I'm more inclined to believe Knight/Queen than Knight/Rook, since Usili's reporting on me was accurate. If we had an indicator as to who that Knight was, I'd be inclined to vote them first, but I'm not seeing an easy way to pick that out and I'm pretty sure it's not Cyri. I don't think Knight-only is extremely plausible either, but considering how N2 worked out, it seems like it'd have surprisingly good efficiency if that actually is the case.
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If you have any leads or suggestions on who the knight could be, I'd love for you to share them. I'll be trying to do my own dive this weekend, but short of the king revealing a whitecheck or someone tracking/watching a scumkill I think the knight is the main thing that would get me to switch my vote.
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- He/Him/His
I was asleep during that whole mess at the end frankly, or else I probably WOULD have brought it up...
Then again I would have pushed Hail in that case.
Nictis
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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ngl, I think we're looking at a 3 pawn scumteam. I don't believe in a scum bishop at this stage. Bishop 1 is dead, Bishop 2 has been caught in the act investigating people. Rook 1 is dead, Rook 2 has claimed to have eaten the Night 1 scumkill and as far as we can tell that matches up. Queen has already managed to hit scum, or is scum and in cahoots with Rook 2. Knight 1 is dead, King cannot be scum.
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In that case, given that you are claiming pawn, at most 1 other pawn is town. Which one would you say it is?
Nictis
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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- Any
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- Academy City
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- Location
- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
Nictis was very concerned about making sure pawn neighborhoods were used, but otherwise I don't think slipped anything pawny? I didn't catch it at least.
(And it would have to be a slip because Nictis jokingly claimed King again, and I think nothing else like that since.)
(And it would have to be a slip because Nictis jokingly claimed King again, and I think nothing else like that since.)
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Just linked it in the post above.
Nictis
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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I confirmed back on Day 1 that I'd pick Pawn as scum in this game so it'd be rather pointless to investigate me. I've never actually made a claim other than King
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Honestly I don't think I have anything more specific for the Knight than it almost certainly isn't meso, Usili, or myself because we all have claims verified at least in part by other people. I don't really think it's Cyri, but I have no mechanical evidence truly against that possibility. I'm tempted to say it's somewhere else in the unclaimed space: theajl, Projject_Delta, Zaealix, QTesseract, Nictis, or NemoMarx. Of these my current side-eyes are most on PD and Zaea, and the people I think are most likely to be town are theajl and QTesseract. I feel like I still want to see something more substantial from @NemoMarx but I haven't been getting very scummy vibes from her, and Nictis is Nictis.
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Of course, of these, Zaea's almost certainly just a Pawn from D1 stuff, so of my side-eyes, I'd go for PD first, and if we're aiming for a Knight specifically, Nictis and Nemo are probably worth considering.
Nictis
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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- Any
QT 37: Null [15]-> Cyricubed [1]
Nictis 44: Null [14]-> hugh [1]
Ori 45: Null [13]-> hugh [2]
Rosen 47: Null [12]-> Meso [1]
hugh 48: Null [11]-> QT [1]
hail 70: Null [10]-> 99Lies [1]
Shadell 74: Null [9]-> 99Lies [2]
99Lies 81: Null [8]-> QT [2]
QT 97: Cyricubed [0]-> Scia [1]
Scia 99: Null [7]-> QT [3]
Shadell 131: 99Lies [1]-> Null [8]
Rosen 133: Meso [0]-> Rosen [1]
Shadell 135: Null [7]-> Rosen [2]
Projject 151: Null [6]-> hugh [3]
hail 157: 99Lies [0]-> Usili [1] (Feels that Usili not wanting to pick at the potential scum comp is avoiding TMI)
Rosen 209: Rosen [1]-> hail [1] (Response to his glib post about ruining Quick Topics)
Nictis 210: hugh [2]-> hail [2] (Response to post about ruining Quick Topics)
Nictis 218: hail [1]-> Scia [2] (Activity voting)
Scia 236: QT [2]-> Null [7] (Dropping meme vote)
hail 253: Usili [0]-> Scia [3] (Activity voting)
Shalmoa 271: Null [6]-> Scia [4] (Activity voting, mentions wanting to hear more from meso as well)
hail 311: Scia [3]-> 99Lies [1] (Votes don't align to reasoning, seems to be connected to hugh)
Cyricubed 324: Null [5]-> Nictis [1] (Joke about me always being scum)
Shalmoa 328: Scia [2]-> 99Lies [2] (Behavior isn't out of place for 99Lies, but has matched previous scum behavior. Prefers it to hugh)
Shadell 334: Rosen [0]-> hugh [3] (Suspicious of hugh and hail)
Nictis 337: Scia [1]-> hail [2] (Hail is repeatedly following trends and appeared to attach himself to Rosen)
Usili 342: Null [4]-> hugh [4] (Feels scummy, is confused by Nictis/QT interactions) (?????)
Shadell 362: hugh [3]-> Nictis [2] (Joke vote)
Shadell 376: Nictis [1]-> hugh [4] (Return to vote)
Cyricubed 397: Nictis [0]-> Null [5] (Removes joke vote)
hail 412: 99Lies [1]-> hugh [5] (Hates how hugh tagged people to get Rosen votes)
Nictis 415: hail [1]-> hugh [6] (Realizes hugh was putting out the idea that the Queen should kill until they're proven Town)
Shalmoa 416: 99Lies [0]-> hugh [7] (Hates how hugh tagged them)
Rosen 418: hail [0]-> hugh [8] (States that hugh's read on Rosen is based on hugh being aggravated instead of Rosen being suspicious)
QT 420: Scia [0]-> hugh [9] (No reasoning provided. States that Zaealix is likely to be scum if Rosen is. Has stated no previous suspicion of Rosen)
Nictis 44: Null [14]-> hugh [1]
Ori 45: Null [13]-> hugh [2]
Rosen 47: Null [12]-> Meso [1]
hugh 48: Null [11]-> QT [1]
hail 70: Null [10]-> 99Lies [1]
Shadell 74: Null [9]-> 99Lies [2]
99Lies 81: Null [8]-> QT [2]
QT 97: Cyricubed [0]-> Scia [1]
Scia 99: Null [7]-> QT [3]
Shadell 131: 99Lies [1]-> Null [8]
Rosen 133: Meso [0]-> Rosen [1]
Shadell 135: Null [7]-> Rosen [2]
Projject 151: Null [6]-> hugh [3]
hail 157: 99Lies [0]-> Usili [1] (Feels that Usili not wanting to pick at the potential scum comp is avoiding TMI)
Rosen 209: Rosen [1]-> hail [1] (Response to his glib post about ruining Quick Topics)
Nictis 210: hugh [2]-> hail [2] (Response to post about ruining Quick Topics)
Nictis 218: hail [1]-> Scia [2] (Activity voting)
Scia 236: QT [2]-> Null [7] (Dropping meme vote)
hail 253: Usili [0]-> Scia [3] (Activity voting)
Shalmoa 271: Null [6]-> Scia [4] (Activity voting, mentions wanting to hear more from meso as well)
hail 311: Scia [3]-> 99Lies [1] (Votes don't align to reasoning, seems to be connected to hugh)
Cyricubed 324: Null [5]-> Nictis [1] (Joke about me always being scum)
Shalmoa 328: Scia [2]-> 99Lies [2] (Behavior isn't out of place for 99Lies, but has matched previous scum behavior. Prefers it to hugh)
Shadell 334: Rosen [0]-> hugh [3] (Suspicious of hugh and hail)
Nictis 337: Scia [1]-> hail [2] (Hail is repeatedly following trends and appeared to attach himself to Rosen)
Usili 342: Null [4]-> hugh [4] (Feels scummy, is confused by Nictis/QT interactions) (?????)
Shadell 362: hugh [3]-> Nictis [2] (Joke vote)
Shadell 376: Nictis [1]-> hugh [4] (Return to vote)
Cyricubed 397: Nictis [0]-> Null [5] (Removes joke vote)
hail 412: 99Lies [1]-> hugh [5] (Hates how hugh tagged people to get Rosen votes)
Nictis 415: hail [1]-> hugh [6] (Realizes hugh was putting out the idea that the Queen should kill until they're proven Town)
Shalmoa 416: 99Lies [0]-> hugh [7] (Hates how hugh tagged them)
Rosen 418: hail [0]-> hugh [8] (States that hugh's read on Rosen is based on hugh being aggravated instead of Rosen being suspicious)
QT 420: Scia [0]-> hugh [9] (No reasoning provided. States that Zaealix is likely to be scum if Rosen is. Has stated no previous suspicion of Rosen)
I need to stop thinking coloring these things is a good idea.
Nictis
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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...? Interesting. All of QT's predictions have Rook at start and aside from that basically randomize between possibilities. No consideration for three Pawns.
Need to look at QT's interactions towards Usili and Hailcapital.
Bizarre that QT's statement that rooks are weak early killers and strong late killers leads to no rook pawns and every high possibility being rook at start. Could be explained by the mention that triggering the rook replacement is harder but... Faction strongman, Queen Replacement has strongman on by default. Hmm.
Lategame knight is weaker than early game knight? Perhaps in the sense of there being less unknown watching about the kill, but... Disagree. Additional kill, definitely invisible when the chips are down. Deflect has higher value when there's less players as well because the net is tighter. This is less important and more personal thought, the rook thing is the more interesting point in this.
Also, suspicious for the exact reason that I suggest we don't talk about scumteam comp Day 1. It poisons the well and doesn't serve any purpose to help Town. Looking for specific roles instead of suspicious behavior.
Never a fan of this. Could be new player behavior, could be scummy behavior. I disagree on hail about it being more town like than scummy. Town can vote whatever, scum might not want to leave traces and the immediate early disengagement is not good. Mostly reiterating this to state that I don't view this as Towny, but it's not part of whatever read I make.
Ori gets caught on Zaealix for a bit but keeps his vote on hugh.
(I've edited the format of the quotes so it hopefully doesn't ping them since they're no longer involved? Dunno if it worked, should link to the quote but not give an alert I think.)
Rosen steps in at around this point on behalf of Zaealix, which could go either way on if it's wine or real.
Noting this and Ori for later, I believe that at a later point when Ori states that his vote on hugh is not a meme that Zaealix is a contender? Will check.
It's a very strange line, regardless of if Zaealix is Town or Not. I think that following up from Zaealix admitting that they're copying Rosen's Town playstyle... Lightly town indicative?
I had a bad feeling about this back on Day 1, due to QT having shared expectations of the scumcomp the previous game as scum. Now that Rosen has flipped as scum... Could go either way on Rosen agreeing due to being a vet scum that took Pawn, but I'm inclining towards scummates at the moment.
This is actually catching my attention now. Hugh is called out as attempting to establish himself, and shaded for memeing. Hail though is said to have Z's attention for his posts before the list posting Z did. Notably, Hail's first post is asking what the list is. Not a fan of this now.
Rosen didn't like Hail's post voting Usili. Which I'm gonna rule as NAI, because I didn't like Hail's post on Usili either. Potentially defending Usili... But I'm more inclined towards it being an easy post.
Nemo's answer to the question feels a lot more legitimate to me. She doesn't actually answer the question but her answer feels like she's trying to puzzle it out, comes from more of a town headspace to me.
OTOH, if Nemo is scum then I expect the Knight Picks to be real.
Usili's answer is interesting. Places more value on the usual night actions of the Bishop than I would, but actually talks about the real value of the Scum Bishop. This is also why I don't believe Scum picked an initial Bishop, nobody has flipped Pawn.
Hmm.
This is still making me feel worse about QT. Rosen agrees with me about not speculating on the scum composition... But had given QT a good feeling kind of post about their speculation on the scum comp.
Z responding to hail on ruining Quick Topics for me. I don't like that he's willing to commit for the Day over it.
Notably excludes Zaealix. Very Notably excludes Zaealix, who had the strangest reaction, but Usili and Nemo's reactions didn't really stand out as off.
Very Wine, but I'm drinking.
Timeline doesn't track here. He says earlier that he called hailmind suspicious, but he found hailmind suspicious for not responding to him calling hailmind suspicious. Second time that it just doesn't track.
Rosen immediate reaction towards Zaealix acting suspicious and Hail starting to question him... Again. Wine, but...
This is a good sign for Ori's slot. There is actually a bit more interaction with hugh before Ori claims it's a serious vote. Could still be aligned with Zaealix, but this cuts a lot of the potential tie.
Shalmoa continues to feel very background Town for me. Where QT throws a joke out for Cyri asking about a catchup (as well as hugh) Shalmoa actually does mention things that happened.
Just snagging this because I'll forget where it was later on if someone tries to call me out about thinking Rosen's QT praise was weird on Day 1.
Comes in at 351, wagons are not what I was concerned about before. Wagons are between hugh, hail and 99 Lies. All of which were Town.
.... What? The response to Shalmoa asking meso why he views Zaealix as more suspicious than hugh or hail is that perhaps Meso is deliberately acting out of character in order to get voted off instead of hugh getting the boot because hugh is the higher value role? This confuses me but the answer to "Why do they think I'm suspicious" being "They're trying to get voted" is a take that I'm thinking is not Towny.
This is a hard yikes. QT has not made any suggestion that Rosen is suspicious, and the question was directed towards meso on why Zaealix is scummy.
QT's answer was not that Zaealix was acting bizarrely, erratically or scummy, but that he was likely to be scum if Rosen, the now confirmed scum, is Scum. Rosen who had heavily tied himself to Zaealix.
Rosen very heavily tied himself to Zaealix, uncertain if that's legitimate ties or not. Zaealix's behavior is incredibly suspicious on its own. QT's had a few high points of suspicion, being exceptionally complicit in Rosen tying himself to Zaealix directly at EoD with no prior progression being the worst of it, and Rosen having done more subtle work to get QT in the Townlight cementing the rest.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
- Location
- Cincinnati, OH
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sorry for not posting at all yesterday, just was busy and not necessarily in the mood to think on mafia stuff.
Also for the moment going to nullify my vote while I think through more stuff.
[x] Null
It could be said a bit of 'the devil you know'. In a sense it was like, I wasn't necessarily sure how to explicit reveal it until I got more info since Shalmoa wasn't reading as scum explicitly to me. If we had a pawn kill on N2 and/or N3 that wasn't scum, I would've gone to reveal that Shalmoa was the bishop as it would've meant that scum was running a dual bishop setup to control the board and not let us know what power pieces were being killed.
Also for the moment going to nullify my vote while I think through more stuff.
[x] Null
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- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
Okay, so with that analysis Nictis vote feels like a more serious one to me instead of pressure to get reactions, or something. The bit about QT / Zaealix / Rosen being tied is also interesting and I hadn't really caught that connection at all before.
That plus the really weird Zaealix read on Meso is convincing enough to me to consider that as a possible scum roster.
I still think that the soul read thing sounds more like a town pocket though, so.... I think you could read the overall interactions as QT bussing Rosen and then setting up shade on town for when Rosen flips?
That plus the really weird Zaealix read on Meso is convincing enough to me to consider that as a possible scum roster.
I still think that the soul read thing sounds more like a town pocket though, so.... I think you could read the overall interactions as QT bussing Rosen and then setting up shade on town for when Rosen flips?
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I came in a bit ago to vote for Zaealix and realized I already had.
So... that's convenient.
So... that's convenient.
Nictis
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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That's kinda what I was thinking about it, except less on the bussing part.
Knight died, so we're looking at the Scum likely having one to two additional kills tonight. 10 Alive, we hit scum today and we're looking at seven Town to two scum. If Meso hits Town and all three scum attacks hit separately that's... Three to two the next Day. Worst case scenario where we vote off scum. If we hit Town then we go into the night with three scum and six Town, if Meso shoots and hits Town and scum hit town thrice then it's game. Unlikely though. If we say scum have two kills from standard and the knight drop... Hitting Town today and scum successfully killing twice over leaves us at four and three, Meso hitting Town ties things up so we'd be reliant on the King, but hitting Scum gives us good leeway.
I think Meso should kill tonight.
Can I talk you into voting QT today and potentially killing Zaealix tonight instead? I feel a lot more confident in QT being scum due to the Rosen ties than I do Zaealix with all the wine.
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- US
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- He/Him
Let me reread things. QT is my next strongest suspicion, so I am definitely considering it.
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- He/Him
@QTesseract can you explain your read on @NemoMarx ?
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- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
I was considering dropping a vote on QT in my earlier post, but the possible 3 way tie doesn't sound great. But if people can be swayed...
[X] Vote QTesseract
[X] Vote QTesseract