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CHESS MAFIA 2

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Not effortposting atm because insomnia nights always leave me wiped the following day, but it has occurred to me that I am paying too much attention to active players and not enough to quiet ones, I think stemming from overdoing it in trying to compensate for differences from ToS where being quiet is a huge scumtell in and of itself. I'm going to come back and see if I can do something with that tomorrow when my brain is firing on all cylinders.
 
Also that. I've got a list of players and claims and feelings in my notes, and I'm staring at an awful lot of "I don't know you"
 
Or I could just be a great forgetful lump who keeps not remembering that these other players exist when I don't see them posting regularly and there isn't a nice handy screen of avatars with a list of players in the corner. Who knows :V
 
Nictis said:
Also that. I've got a list of players and claims and feelings in my notes, and I'm staring at an awful lot of "I don't know you"
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My brain is outputting a lot of "uhhh" at the moment but when that's my primary result on pretty much half of the currently living playerbase rather than tiredness just jamming the gears, something's definitely iffy.

Anyway I'm gonna dip out of thread for the rest of today or I will get sucked into trying to think about this anyway and then have to retrace all my steps tomorrow because tiredbrain leaves gaps in things.
 
That moment when Nictis's Paranoia is vibing with your own paranoia and your not sure if you should be paranoid of Nictis too
 
Okay. As it stands now, I am getting really suspicious of the lack of posting by some people, since it reminds me of the MO I played for the first chess game when I was scum, and I'm going to place an immediate vote on one person because there is a significant difference in their posts on game 1 versus game 2. As it stands, this vote is being meant as a pressure vote in part to get other people like posting.

[x] Vote NemoMarx

Also, @QTesseract, I want to hear from you on this as you never explicitly replied to Shadell on who your scumreads are:

Shadell said:
That's fair. What scumreads do you have atm?
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Because as it stands, I am looking at you right now since a lot of your posts are mechanically heavy, and hasn't really been looking for who scum is... which is something that is a flashing light, when we are down to 30% of whom people are as scum.
 
I feel like I want to go back and read over things to analyze more than react to immediate stuff, but I'm kind of slacking on that. >>

I'll be getting on it! But everyone's reads are a mess and it's not like I can look at wagons from last EoD, right?
 
Towncore: QTesseract, Usili 2.0, mesonoxian.
I'm pretty sure Usili and Meso would have to both be scum for either to be scum, since the alternative involves townies lying to town, but even that would also require some

Which means that 50% of this list is town, and 50% is scum. I think the scum distribution is probably Knight, Bishop, Pawn (potentially promoted by now), so I'd like to lynch a nonpawn from this list. The one I'm most sus of now is Nictis, so he'd be my first pick, but I think scum!nictis is probably also a pawn here so I suspect 1 way or another he's not my lynch today.
Shalmoa
Projject_Delta
Zaealix
Cyricubed
Nictis
NemoMarx
 
QTesseract said:
Towncore: QTesseract, Usili 2.0, mesonoxian.
I'm pretty sure Usili and Meso would have to both be scum for either to be scum, since the alternative involves townies lying to town, but even that would also require some

Which means that 50% of this list is town, and 50% is scum. I think the scum distribution is probably Knight, Bishop, Pawn (potentially promoted by now), so I'd like to lynch a nonpawn from this list. The one I'm most sus of now is Nictis, so he'd be my first pick, but I think scum!nictis is probably also a pawn here so I suspect 1 way or another he's not my lynch today.
Shalmoa
Projject_Delta
Zaealix
Cyricubed
Nictis
NemoMarx
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Your first paragraph got cut off? While I'll admit that it seems implausible that exactly one of Usili and meso are scum, I agree with Cyri that something's weird with N2's kills lining up how they did. From the second list, theajl appears to have been omitted?
Projject_Delta said:
Actually the reason I haven't been talking yet to day is because I gotta work man, but I just got off.

Kinda surprised on the Hail being Town, really wasn't expecting that actually, As for current susses...
Surprisingly still thinking Queen is Black, I really wish I knew whether or not it could have been Hail who got hit Night 1 in that case.

Don't really like Shalmoa, they had voted Hail originally yesterday when he was in the lead, but then hopped onto the Voting Wagon for 99 last second for no particular good reason, which really made me think that they were voting him because they thought he was going to get lynched, and didn't want to seem sus, now, I think they just wanted to get him out, and realized they wouldn't have enough votes. and I don't particularly like how they are Taking Zaelix's side after Zaelix called them out, it feels like they know Zaelix is onto them, and is trying to cover their tracks by shifting it to me.

Not...much else comes to mind really, I was really banking on Hail being Scum and the fact that he's not really took me by surprise.
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Not really a fan of this. I didn't want to vote hail once he claimed Rook because he'd either be counterclaimed at some point or investigated by the King and I felt like we had the time to do that, so I moved to someone else I felt was suspicious yesterday. The vote onto 99L wasn't explained in detail because that vote was made less than 2 minutes before EoD, but I had previously outlined that I had suspicions on 99L:
Shalmoa said:
I think that 99L is very unlikely to claim RB'd if he was actually the scum team member who was trying to go for the NK. However, as somebody who has accidentally hard-bussed him in a previous game, I don't really trust him claiming to be RB'd to be particularly alignment indicative otherwise. I don't really see any reason to overlook just how remarkably suspicious his play is personally aside from the kinda bad seeming excuse of "it's always this suspicious". So while there's probably better places to aim, I don't really want to discount him?
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And if you're looking at my vote at EoD and saying "This seems suspicious because there isn't a lot of reasoning behind it", why does PD apparently give 99L's flurry of random votes a pass?

With regards to siding Zaealix, uh, what?
 
QTesseract said:
I'm pretty sure Usili and Meso would have to both be scum for either to be scum, since the alternative involves townies lying to town, but even that would also require some

Which means that 50% of this list is town, and 50% is scum. I think the scum distribution is probably Knight, Bishop, Pawn (potentially promoted by now), so I'd like to lynch a nonpawn from this list. The one I'm most sus of now is Nictis, so he'd be my first pick, but I think scum!nictis is probably also a pawn here so I suspect 1 way or another he's not my
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There are situtations to imply one to be town and the other to be scum. IE Knight attacked Usili n1 means they still told the truth. Or Usili faked their attack claim while meso is still town.

Why do you think it's between those 3 pieces and if you had to guess which pawn promotion they wanted which one would it be? Any easy ways you can think of to solve that?
 
Shalmoa said:
And if you're looking at my vote at EoD and saying "This seems suspicious because there isn't a lot of reasoning behind it", why does PD apparently give 99L's flurry of random votes a pass?
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Right now, my reasoning for my Sus on you and not 99L is, well, the pattern Im noticing an little bit.

Each of 99L's vote changes were right after someone calling someone else sus in some form of way, which makes me think, they didn't really know whom to vote for, and were simply just trying to be as "Helpful" as they could, by voting for the most Suspicious person of the group.
Which backfired.

There first Vote, on Meso, happened right after post 766 , they then changed there vote after post 770 While which didn't talk about Hail to much, the person they voted for (or atleast calling them sus) however the final quote has an quote from Hail calling 99 Sus, as they claimed that 99 was an Scum that got roleblocked, and thats why there was no Scum kill, and the final one, where they voted QT, was after 2 other votes on QT, one from Meso and one from Shadell

Yours however, was an last minute singular vote on 99, which makes me thing your Scum that just wanted to jump on the Wagon
 
Shalmoa said:
Your first paragraph got cut off? While I'll admit that it seems implausible that exactly one of Usili and meso are scum, I agree with Cyri that something's weird with N2's kills lining up how they did. From the second list, theajl appears to have been omitted?
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Yeah, woops, had some formatting issues. Essentially the rest of my first paragraph was supposed to say it would take some confusing play and would also self resolve night 3, night 4 in the absolute worst case.
Cyricubed said:
There are situtations to imply one to be town and the other to be scum. IE Knight attacked Usili n1 means they still told the truth. Or Usili faked their attack claim while meso is still town.

Why do you think it's between those 3 pieces and if you had to guess which pawn promotion they wanted which one would it be? Any easy ways you can think of to solve that?
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Hmm, okay, I guess it is possible that Meso is scum and Usili not, but I think it's really unlikely at this current time.

Those are the only two remaining power roles - I think the other rook and queen are town, the king is obviously town, and the rest are dead. I also would be very surpised to see a 3 pawn 1 PR from a scumteam with -Rosen, but if it were the case it would almost certainly be our other knight.

I think the most likely two pawns to pair with a knight and bishop would be Queen+Rook, Queen+Knight, or Knight+Rook, but it's hard to say given that we don't know what pawn -rosen was.
 
Projject_Delta said:
Right now, my reasoning for my Sus on you and not 99L is, well, the pattern Im noticing an little bit.

Each of 99L's vote changes were right after someone calling someone else sus in some form of way, which makes me think, they didn't really know whom to vote for, and were simply just trying to be as "Helpful" as they could, by voting for the most Suspicious person of the group.
Which backfired.

There first Vote, on Meso, happened right after post 766 , they then changed there vote after post 770 While which didn't talk about Hail to much, the person they voted for (or atleast calling them sus) however the final quote has an quote from Hail calling 99 Sus, as they claimed that 99 was an Scum that got roleblocked, and thats why there was no Scum kill, and the final one, where they voted QT, was after 2 other votes on QT, one from Meso and one from Shadell

Yours however, was an last minute singular vote on 99, which makes me thing your Scum that just wanted to jump on the Wagon
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...why wouldn't scum!me not just stay voting on hail then? It turned out that hail was actually a town rook, wouldn't that be a better scum-use of the vote than swinging to 99L who, if he's as confused as you're making him out to be, is probably mostly harmless to the scum team?

Also, still wondering what you're talking about with that siding with Zaealix thing.
 
QTesseract said:
The one I'm most sus of now is Nictis, so he'd be my first pick, but I think scum!nictis is probably also a pawn here so I suspect 1 way or another he's not my lynch today.
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I basically confirmed this back on Day 1.

Your list basically adds up to mine, except that I'd put Nemo as bottom priority and you'd be fairly high on the list, with ajl at the top because my mind is kinda blanking on him but he inherited Ori's slot.
Cyricubed said:
Why do you think it's between those 3 pieces and if you had to guess which pawn promotion they wanted which one would it be? Any easy ways you can think of to solve that?
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As far as promotions they would want, I'd suggest Rook to avoid Rook and Knight redirections. That they didn't kill the known Rook is both interesting and easily explainable.
 
QTesseract said:
Those are the only two remaining power roles - I think the other rook and queen are town, the king is obviously town, and the rest are dead. I also would be very surpised to see a 3 pawn 1 PR from a scumteam with -Rosen, but if it were the case it would almost certainly be our other knight.

I think the most likely two pawns to pair with a knight and bishop would be Queen+Rook, Queen+Knight, or Knight+Rook, but it's hard to say given that we don't know what pawn -rosen was.
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If that's the case why haven't you pressured Usili into revealing Queenside Bishop?
 
QTesseract said:
Towncore: QTesseract, Usili 2.0, mesonoxian.
I'm pretty sure Usili and Meso would have to both be scum for either to be scum, since the alternative involves townies lying to town, but even that would also require some

Which means that 50% of this list is town, and 50% is scum. I think the scum distribution is probably Knight, Bishop, Pawn (potentially promoted by now), so I'd like to lynch a nonpawn from this list. The one I'm most sus of now is Nictis, so he'd be my first pick, but I think scum!nictis is probably also a pawn here so I suspect 1 way or another he's not my lynch today.
Shalmoa
Projject_Delta
Zaealix
Cyricubed
Nictis
NemoMarx
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Thank you for answering the question I had there, it's appreciated.
QTesseract said:
I missed that they saw them. @Usili 2.0 please share.
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Before I specifically answer this as they might still be a member of town, and thus giving scum a known town person, I'd like to request an answer from both you and @Nictis on why you voted Shadell there at the end of day 2.
 
Also probably still one of the most annoying things is Original_Name leaving after they stated they graduated their meme vote of hugh into a real one, and then being unable to explain it because they subbed out afterwards. Absolutely frustrating as there wasn't an answer there in terms of the reasoning why they did that.
 
Usili 2.0 said:
Before I specifically answer this as they might still be a member of town, and thus giving scum a known town person, I'd like to request an answer from both you and @Nictis on why you voted Shadell there at the end of day 2.
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I honestly couldn't tell you. I thought 99 was Town, hail revealed as Rook, meso had credit for killing Rosen, and the next person on my suspicion list was probably Shadell, might've been Shalmoa but I mix the two up in mt head sometimes, and I was running on my third day of nosleep at that point? And there wasn't really time to do much of anything.

Bright side, I finally got some sleep last night, but yeah.
 
Usili 2.0 said:
Thank you for answering the question I had there, it's appreciated.

Before I specifically answer this as they might still be a member of town, and thus giving scum a known town person, I'd like to request an answer from both you and @Nictis on why you voted Shadell there at the end of day 2.
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I believed Meso's claim, and was had already townread 99lies which was why I tried to start a Meso wagon in the first place, and I didn't love their posting. I don't know if I would have stuck with them on the evidence I had if it took place further from EoD, but the whole problem was that EoD was there and I didn't like the wagon.

Also, there's no third party here. Scum already knows who town is, and if the bishop somehow isn't scum that means they started with at least 3 pawns and plausibly have a decent idea of who those are and thus have decent odds from the other direction of knowing who it is in specific.
 
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