Part 40a

Battleship Nagato knew she was being fired upon. She knew near-misses were churning the water around her into a prismatic sea of dyed, churning water. She knew her belt sang as every hit crashed into her armor. She knew all these things the same way she knew the universe was composed of minute particles.

Interesting trivia with no impact whatsoever on her day to day life.

She was a dreadnought of the Imperial Japanese Navy, a ship born again to serve her country for freedom, not tyranny. And she was squaring off against her fellow members of the big seven with her beloved sister by her side.

It was the fight she was built for. And she held the upper hand. Her crews were drilled and precise, second to none but the Kongou sisters in professionalism and skill. Every time she straightened out from a turn, she found her guns already within mere degrees of their targets. Her guns sang at her command like a fine orchestra.

Her gun crews worked their deadly instruments like virtuoso of steel and cordite, playing out their perfect symphony for these twisted abyssal abominations.

"FIRE!" boomed the battleship, her voice thundering with the fury of an entire nation as she steadied for a full broadside.

The abyssal battleships took swift advantage of her momentary lull in maneuvering. Their guns rippled off a ragged riposte. They lacked the eloquence of Nagato, their guns spoke like thuggish brutes not skilled samurai, and their lightweight armor-piercing rounds lacked the Japanese warrior maiden's teeth.

But most crucially of all, they lacked her peerless ranging gear. Where the Japanese maiden's rangefinders were mounted high on her pagodas, the abyssal brutes carried theirs on their turret roofs. Every frigid wave that crashed across their bows fouled their optics with spray and salt, degrading their accuracy further.

The abyssal warships were forced to close the distance, lest they be annihilated from range by the three Japanese battleships. They were fully engaged, there was no hope of retreat. They had no choice but to fight, and let themselves be pulled wherever Nagato wished.

Nagato allowed herself a brief smile as she turned in to blade herself to an oncoming torpedo-bomber attack. The sky was nearly black with a churning swarm of aircraft. Some friendly, but most hostile.

And the dreadnought didn't feel the slightest bit of worry. Her escort, USS Heermann had barely said a word since the battle began. But the little destroyer had been practically glued to her hip. Not a plane had touched Nagato. Not one. Her anti-aircraft gunners were starting to get bored at their posts. The battleship could hardly believe it. The sky was black with brawling fighters, but she almost felt safer than she did at Yokosuka.

And she had her sister steaming abreast of her. The two Nagato-class battleships reunited for a decisive battle against a seemingly unbeatable foe. And with them Musashi herself, the most powerful warship ever to sail the seas. The world quaked at their power and profession-

"HA!" bellowed Musashi. The sleeves of her unzipped shirt flew out as she flung her hands in the air, showing her middle fingers to the abyssal warships as they landed a solid shot against her belt. A square hit that did nothing to faze the enormous battleship. "I! AM! INVINCIBLE!" she thundered, her voice echoing even over the sound of her colossal battery.

Nagato rolled her eyes. So much for professionalism. It was a good thing Musashi and Jersey didn't get along. Nagato didn't know how she'd be able to handle the two of them together.
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"Nagato!" Jersey's rough, brash, typically American accent sounded in Nagato's ears, ""We're fully engaged."

Nagato smiled, her eyes narrowing to an ice-cold squint. "Copy that," she said, sticking her arm out and curving it back towards herself, signaling her taskforce to turn away from the action. "Starting the pull." She glanced at her escort, "You ready, little one?"

Heermann nodded, her entire deck aflame as her guns filled the sky with bursting flak. "Mmhm, don't worry Miss Nagato," the little destroyer flashed a toothy smile, her freckled cheeks glowing from the heat of her batteries, "Nobody's touching my charge."

"Good to know, little one." Nagato smiled in return, throwing her rudder over in concert with her sister and Musashi. The six warships heeled over in a coordinated turn, deftly stepping around shell-splashes as they extended away from the slower Abyssal warships.

"Come on…" breathed Nagato, her gaze so focused on the twisted almost-ships on the horizon that she felt time slow to a crawl around her. "Take it…"

One one thousand…

Two one thousand…

Three one thousand…

Four one thousand…

Nagato felt the seconds slip by with each passing breath. She kept waiting for the Abyssal battleships to turn away, to risk breaking contact to link up with their fellows assaulting Jersey and her Kongous.

But they didn't. Their stacks belched sickly black smoke as they powered their way towards the Japanese ships and their peerless American escorts. They'd taken the bait, now it was time to make pay for their crucial mistake.

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Crowning stared at the shaky drone footage, his face scrunching up like a prune while his eyes bounced from confusing camera feeds to equally confusing symbolic map displays. "Uh," he leaned over to Gale, careful to keep his voice low enough to avoid disturbing anyone else, "what just happened?"

"Divide and conquer," said Gale though a mouthful of ham sandwich. It was getting close to dinner time, but neither the sailor nor the civilian was willing to leave the bunker, even if they weren't doing more than watching.

"Huh?" Crowning folded his arms, glancing back at the map where both Jersey's girls and Nagato's girls were in two very distinct, very divided groups.

"Not them," said Gale, gulping down her impromptu lunch. "Planes."

Crowning bit the corner of his lip, "You lost me."

"Princess has way to fucking many planes," explained Gale, "even with Akagi and RJ spotting nothing but Reppus, there's no way they can hold the line. Not against everything at once."

Crowning nodded, patting himself down for his notepad. He was studying whenever he got the time, but he still knew painfully close to nothing about naval engagements. He wasn't gonna waste a prime opportunity to study up before Jersey got back. He needed some common ground beyond 'pie' to hold a real conversation after all.

"Okay, so…" Gale pointed to a coffee carafe sitting on the back table. "This is the princess. That-" she tapped the creamer, "is her CAP. The planes she's got in the air ready to go right this second."

Crowning scribbled furiously before offering another nod.

"This," Gale waved the box of sugar packets, "is her reserve air wing. Stuff that's on deck but not in the air." She turned back to Crowning, "When Nagato and Hammer showed up, they were the biggest threat, so the whole CAP ran off towards them."

"But…" Crowning scrambled for whatever shreds of naval knowledge he had, "the dreadnoughts can take torpedoes better?"

"Yeah," said Gale, "And they got the taffies and Shield's… well fighter shield at full strength."

"So…" Crowning drew circles in the air with the tip of his pen. The point was hovering somewhere right in front of his face… he just had to reach out and grasp it. "That lets us fight just their CAP with everything we've got."

"You got it!" said Gale, smiling as she offered a teasingly enthusiastic wink. not unlike the typical over-caffeinated children's show host. "With that many planes in the air, it'll be hard for the Princess's planes to set up good attack runs."

"And all the while…" Crowning paused. It wasn't quite a shot in the dark, but given his current level of nautical knowledge, he'd call it a shoot in the gloom. "Hammer's pounding the heavy battleship division, right."

"Yep. The heavies can't risk disengaging while Naggy and her girls are right there," said Gale as she took another bite of her sandwich.

"And the Princess's cap already dropped all their bombs," said Crowning, "so all it's got left to throw at J are the reserve planes?"

"And the battleship QRF."

"That too," Crowning shrugged, "It's still a lot for her to get through."

"Not enough to stop her," said Gale, smiling as she leaned in to give the professor a one-armed hug.

"Let's hope."

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"New Jersey," Akgai's sweet, friendly voice sang in Jersey's head, somehow audible over the roar of almost a quarter million American horses, twenty five-inchers, and nine of the best damn naval guns ever built. "You've got another squadron heading your way. Vectoring Reppus to cover."

"Yeah, I see 'em," said Jersey, squinting into the distance as her radar acquired the seething horde of fighters and bombers rolling her way. She lost count at forty, there were just too many contacts flying too close for her radar to crank out solid target tracks. All she could see was an enormous blob of flying malevolent fuckers screaming straight for her and her girls.

Not that she was the least bit worried. She had almost a hundred next-generation Jap carrier fighters flown by the best pilots the Kido Butai had ever produced flying topcover. She had two the terrible Akuze- Akiz- the AA destroyer twins watching the air with those super-fucking-high velocity ten-centimeter guns.

And she was a battleship with flak out the ass, and she had quite a nice, generous ass. Jersey was slinging more flak than certain countries.

"Yo, Akuzi!" growled the battleship, dispatching a burning Abyssal cruiser with a backhanded volley from her after turret.

"Akizuki," corrected the anti-aircraft destroyer, her extra-long-ass hyper velocity cannons scanning the sky as she effortlessly skimmed around shell splashes, her hull rolling hard enough to flash glimpses of her antiquating paint.

Jersey blinked. "Whatever, you ready to kick ass and take names?"

The little destroyer shook her head, "I'm afraid not," she said. "But Chou-10cm-Hou-chan is!" The animated turret in her fore mount waved its tiny flipper hand at Jersey, its barrels slewing around to point in a generally fuckhuge-mass-of-abyssal-planes-ward direction.

Akizuki smiled, giving her foremost turret a little kiss on its armored roof, "Chu chu!" Her turret… fucking blushed at the attention, its adorable little eye… hole things glancing away as it suddenly found the splintered clouds utterly entrancing.

Jersey shook the bizarre image out of her head, focusing herself on the matter at hand. "Yo, Akagi?"

"Hmm?" the Japanese carrier's voice purred though Jersey's head, sounding distinctly like every word had to run a blockade of instant noodles to reach the battleship.

"You got eyes on the princess?"

"Ahmm…" a pause, "I do now."

"How's her deck looking?"

"Uhmm…" a slurp of noddles, "maybe half a dozen fighters on CAP," said Akagi, "Everything else is either headed your way or landing for resupply."

"Copy that," said Jersey, almost absentmindedly rippling off a perfect broadside at an abyssal fast-battleship, bracketing it with towering pillars of spray. "Bonecrusher flight," she smiled at the call sign. Such a fucking cool name. "You there?"

"That's afirm, Jersey," came a drawl that somehow managed to be both lazily relaxed and perilously tense, "What can the US Air Force do for ya?

"You know that fuck-huge iceberg?" said Jersey, matching his tone with an equally bored drone of her own. She even managed a pouty teenage sigh as she tore a battleship's superstructure to shreds with a volley of high-explosive shells.

"I do indeed, miss."

"Make it go away."

A small laugh echoed though Jersey's radio room. "Sure thing, miss."
Woohoo! New installment and it is awesome!

Nagato was a real winner here. That poise and lethal grace was absolutely bone chilling. And not really in a frightening way. More like... Here is this beautiful Lady of War. She is fully aware of everything happening around her and practically dancing around, killing things without a second thought and with this entrancing calm. You know you're going to die. But you don't care because what you're seeing is just too beautiful.

At least until Musashi opened her mouth. Girl's gonna eat those words. And she is not gonna like the taste.

But back to Nagato. I really loved her section. And Heermann is just badass adorable next to her. It takes some potent skill and some damn good AA to make the most of it for Nagato to comment how her own AA gun crews are legitimately bored. Bored. In what is probably the biggest Abyssal engagement to date. Way to go missy. :D

The little bit of education for Crowning was good to see. Not just for plot and for giving him more things to talk to Jersey about, but also for the readers. It helps give us an idea on how things are operating and what the state of the field is. Yes Crowning, pie is good, but only so good when you are attempting to woo Battleship New Jersey.

Akizuki and her turret was rather funny. She's a cutie she is. And her comeback was spot on. XD

I love how Akagi's just chillin and having lunch while her CAP goes around making life hell for Abyssal planes. You've got her foodie going while keeping her sweet and very capable at the same time. Don't see that often enough methinks.

And lastly? Nagato and Jersey must never have a one-liner contest. We will not survive.
The main problem with restarting production of even stuff like Sabers or Spruance-class DDs is that the knowledge and tools flat out don't exist any more. Retooling productions lines to build them would take time. Quite a bit of time, as the institutional knowledge to even build the tools to build the planes doesn't exist any more. Sure, we can do it easily enough, in relation to churning out larger numbers of modern stuff...but it would still take time. A production line geared to produce a Raptor or Hornet, cannot be rejigged to produce a Mustang or Saber. At least, not easily.

Same reason that we kept using WW2 surplus barrels and shells for the Iowas...there weren't tools or the necessary knowledge to build replacements.

Ships are even worse off. Shipyards would be easier to repurpose to build modern Fletchers or what have you, yes. But that presumes Abyssals haven't blown the shipyards to hell and back already. If they have, then now you have to rebuild the yards and retrain your work crews. Even if they haven't blown them away, the US ship building industry is not what it was in WW2. People often forget that the massive industry that produced the swarms of ships and aircraft during that war was built up in the pre-war years. By contrast, in modern times, we've lost most of that construction potential thanks to differing priorities and outsourcing.

Gearing up to become the Arsenal of Democracy again would take time, even without the need to rebuild tools, knowledge, and possibly shipyards.
This. Too much time has passed and too much has changed in too many fields to just flip a switch and start churning out the gear needed. In a twisted sense, the Great Library has been burned down again and this time we torched it ourselves.

Not that we ever thought we'd need that knowledge and type of power again, but hindsight is 20/20.
And it's kinda pointless when you have battleships that run off hamburgers and cuddles.
Indeed. Especially cuddles. The cuddles are very important.
 
Mere hamburgers for BBs? Bah! Double bacon cheeseburgers are where it's at.
To be fair, the type of burger was never specified.

I bet the girls would love to get ahold of some of the more epic burgers. The ones that need two grown adults to carry to your table and require a waiver in case a regular humie dies while attempting to consume such massive quantities of delicious.
 
Same reason that we kept using WW2 surplus barrels and shells for the Iowas...there weren't tools or the necessary knowledge to build replacements.

Well, to be fair, we didn't use the WW2-production ammunition for them for that reason. All the tooling and machinery for the production line was still in storage in government warehouses until we finally disposed of the Iowas in 1992, but because the shells we already had (which were actually from the Vietnam production run when we thought Jersey was going to be on the gun line indefinitely) were still within their "use by" date and could be safely used, we saw no point in spending the money to restart the line before we ran the stockpile down. Better to expend the ones already bought and paid for than to spend more money on new ones, right?

That said, we didn't have the tools or machinery for building new barrels for them, or even relining the guns... which is why we put so much effort into finding ways to reduce gun wear even during the Vietnam deployment.
 
Couple of things: No boosting needed, if missiles are removed.

While ALL USAF and USN (thank you F-4...) fighters carry a gun pod, contrary to old WW2 planes, they dont' have that many SHOTS (remember, 330 rounds when your gun spits OUT 10+ rounds per pull?) Eyeball to Eyeball shooting, means generally, at BEST, they'll get maybe 10-12 shots on target. While the average 20mm that modern birds means, 1 shot will off any WW2 fighter... Problem is, OUTSIDE the A-10, everything the US (and rest!) have, generally will die as well if a WW2 fighter gets a shot in, because they're just about as fragile as a WW2 bird.

It's WORSE. Modern fighters, again outside the A-10 and now the F-22 plus the AVB-8 (Harrier!) But NOT the F-35 to the same extent(*bloody JSF II*), handle compared to the prop jets... like PIGS, big time. So, in actual VR range combat? it'd be like a Lighitng (P-38) trying to dogfight a Zero. Didn't work too well. (Which leads to a tatic, really, for the US, fly all jet fighters LIKE the P-38, zoom and boom tatics, don't try to fight, be interceptors) (Talk to real pilots. Jets handle well, even the late generation F-15/16, but the Raptor and similar vectored thrust birds (very complex and electronic pieces of kit, are the ones that FINALLY attain equal MANUERABLITY to the P-51, A6M/A7M, etc. ALL the airforces went with "speed over turning" as their rule)

Add in, that the Abbies can spam their warbirds, and you have a real issue. We only HAVE about active duty, figure oh, 3000-4000 total fighter aircraft. Figure at least 20% died in the first month by their training being completely wrong for what they faced.
To defend the US, Mexico, ALL of Central America, and most of South AM?

No boosting needed. Just take missiles out of play, and MAJOR problem.

As long as the Abbies are willing to expend 6 to 1, they'll keep the USAF AND USN and USMC trimmed to size.

Even with 'updated' tatics turning most Jets into interceptors... yeah. I can see how it's going.

Now: For the overall battles that most people lump as the Battle of Leyte Gulf. (I did this in other threads, I think GG, about Hasely's undeserved bashing)

I've mentioned this before: IT ISN"T ALL HASELY'S fault.

In fact, the Japanese were VERY brilliant, and acutally did a awesome job predicting AND planning the battle. The other side plays to win, guys.

However: Three issues, all in Setup.
1: Battle of the Phil. Sea (aka the Turkey shoot). Spurance got reamed politely for letting Turkey chan and most of her fleet to escape, responded with he was given TWO 'missions of equal weight' and had to judge (I agree with him, btw, but I'm Army so..) which was more important, and chose to cover his landings (he was right, that WAS the Japanese objective)

This lead Nimtz to _EXPLICTLY_ order Hasely: "Go for the Enemy Fleet FIRST, as your utmost priority"

2: Contrary to views of FADM Hasely, he was a smart man, and had a good idea how the Japanese were trained and how they SHOULD think. And did a generally GOOD job (he defended Spruance over Phil. Sea), on guessing what they'd do. (Since in a lot of ways they WERE what He'd do in their shoes. Simliar training)

3: Japan threw out the rulebook and chose to expend assets that Hasely and most other American combat commanders WOULD NOT DO. Not only did they violate the Mahan doctrinces, that both sides used, they violated the basic rules of war, by inviting defeat in detail (which is what happened, if you think "They didn't do their mission") nor did Hasely and others REALLY realize how badly wrecked the Japanese industry was, nor how few ships were left, nor what situation the Japanese REALLY were in. (For all of ONI's successes in the war, missing this was a _big_ one.. but frankly, given how insane the Japanese military WAS, and how little anyone talked to each other? Yeah. Understandable)

So. In the leadup? Japan got brilliant. And played their pair of two's... about as perfectly as you could have for their mission. To be frank, Japan deserves the kudos here. The Plan was about as brilliant as it could be, all things considered, and since this was the spot BOTH sides had in mind for "THE Desicive battle" per Mahan theories, go all out.

Now, in Battle two things:
1: Kinkiad wipes out Southern force in the classic crossing the T. Hasely knows this, thinks the Japanese forces are done, goes after the remaining Naval carriers to finish the job, thinking (correctly, as Kinkaid was doing so, btw) that Kinkaid would get BACK to cover Taffies. However, Hasely was misinformed of EXCATLY where he was, and how fast he was going.

2: Given the training both sides had, Hasely had NO reason to expect or belive that the Japanese would split up their battle line. Even if they DID, he figured some would remain with the carriers to protect them (The fact the Japanese did NOT do a similar FCTF concept is one of the hilarious facts, nor that they never developed the battlegroup concept)
Therefore with everything HE KNEW, he was RIGHT to go after them.

Caveats:
"He should have left some behind!" Again, see above. CONCENTRATION of Forces is a universal military doctrine. Don't split up, don't invite defeat in detail.

"He should have double checked where Kinkaid was!" ... Yeah, this one's harder, but he generally trusted his staff to do so, and Kinkaid's people were usually on the ball.

"He should have KNOWN they'd do this!" Um, why? He knew their dotrince, their basic stragetic assumptions, he had fought them repeatedly.

THEY THREW OUT THE RULE BOOK COMPLETELY, threw OUT EVERYTHING.

For the first time in IJN history, they tried something that was completely OUT the box they operated in, and.. .it WORKED.

While BASHING Hasely (feel free, I don't like him ethier), is fine and good, please do give credit to the Japanese who came up with one out of the box solution, that only because Center force got completely delayed and disorganized by Taffy 3, would have at least destroyed a decent amount of the landing forces and severely set back if not stopped for at least a month, the invasion of Luzon, and might have severely delayed the taking of the other objectives on the various command's part.

As for his fueling, Destroyers EAT lots of fuel in 33 knot dashing, and he was going to do so, that's why he refueled, someone mentioned fuel states, and the fear of running OUT.

Jersey's free to hate Hasely for it, emotions aren't logical, she knew the ships left to die, and well, there's "I wasn't THERE to protect them!". There are arugements ethier way, but it's all hindsight. (Plus, part of it might simply be black shoes hating brown shoes)

Perfectly fine. She fought there, she gets that right

We weren't, we don't. We have to look at as a whole.

And that's taking in the OTHER side's existence, plus factors BEYOUND the immediate battle.

I'm just going to copy-paste from SB:

WW2 proved that in a fight between an energy fighter vs a dogfighter, the energy fighter has a distinct advantage. Planes like the Zero and early Spitfires just can't keep up with the maneuvers that planes like the Corsair and FW-190 can do due to their better energy characteristics. It's the reason why later Spitfires gave up maneuverability for enhanced speed and climbrate. Any modern fighter would be an energy fighter that a WW2 plane cannot even comprehend. With their high speed and ability to accelerate going straight up, a fighter like the F-22 would dictate the pace of any battle simply by pulling vertical maneuvers that a prop plane cannot match.

Also, gun sights on modern plays aren't 100% reliant on radar. They're evolutionary progressions of older reflector sights that just use information about the plane to determine lead. Most gun sights should still have that capability to work off internal information.

But either way, even if the jet pilot misses all their shots, they're never going to be in a position to get taken advantage of if they have any modicum of sense. They'll just keep climbing and bouncing fighters until their out of ammo and then disengage at will. All that horizontal maneuverability of the prop fighters lets them do is fly defensively and that can only work for so long

Also, I agree with SaltyWaffles: if the leveling effect buffs Abyssals so much that it makes any conventional engagement with them a 1:1 or even a 2:1 exchange in favor of conventional forces, it makes them functionally useless as a fighting force. Modern forces just can't produce the amount of forces to do that kind of exchange. Not only does it imply that nations without Kanmusu are 100% screwed, it makes them non-entities compared to the Kanmusu. At that point, it'd be pretty much like just reading a WW2 fic. There has to be some give here if you want modern forces to be pertinent in any way, because as is, they can't even provide scouting and intelligence if Abyssals can't be picked up on modern radar.

Honestly, making the Abyssal planes exempt from the leveling effect would probably go a large way to giving the modern day forces a boost. It keeps them from being at the mercy of a random Wo class and doesn't really remove any of the biggest advantages the Abyssals have. Abyssals still have their loltacular strategic manueverability and seemingly endless number of reserves. Even if modern forces can get ridiculous kill ratios on the Abyssal aviation, it doesn't change the fact that there are only so many missiles and jets which means that large Abyssal air assaults are still going to be murder to try and beat back. It'll also help with getting joint conventional-kanmusu task forces going where the modern day forces can provide the long range AA support that would let the battleships close and duke it out
 
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There has to be some give here if you want modern forces to be pertinent in any way, because as is, they can't even provide scouting and intelligence if Abyssals can't be picked up on modern radar.
The big word you're relying on there is 'if'. And that 'if', is not the case for this story. To quote the author:
Laser and Optical guidance (along with radar) still sorta work, but nowhere near as well as they should. Think... early 50's level of accuracy or worse. The only guidance system that's guaranteed to work is an actual human eyeball actually looking at the target.
And we haven't even gotten into things like military satellite or drone reconnaissance.
Honestly, making the Abyssal planes exempt from the leveling effect would probably go a large way to giving the modern day forces a boost.
And that's relevant... why? I already went over how modern bunker-buster bombs can deal with Hoppo's Ice-carrier more than handily, you don't need fix what isn't broken.
It'll also help with getting joint conventional-kanmusu task forces going where the modern day forces can provide the long range AA support that would let the battleships close and duke it out
Which Kanmusu carriers can do right now without having to rework the integral rules of the setting.

TL;DR: This is a story about big-gun battleships slugging it out with targets then going home to cuddle-nap destroyers and escort carriers. Modern Military Stuff isn't even remotely the narrative focus, so ease off on the bellyaching and let the author write the story, OK?
 
TL;DR: This is a story about big-gun battleships slugging it out with targets then going home to cuddle-nap destroyers and escort carriers. Modern Military Stuff isn't even remotely the narrative focus, so ease off on the bellyaching and let the author write the story, OK?

To be honest, despite the bellyaching about how awesome the modern military is, you don't see much 'fic actually featuring it here or on SB. Everyone would much rather read about teenage superheroes, shipgirls, Jedi Knights and the goddamn Dragonborn.*

You'd think if the modern military would be so fascinating in a 'fic, it'd be in more 'fics.

Either way. Talking/reading about shipgirls has made me hungry, so I'm going to do like Jersey and set my targeting systems on pie.

*And SIs, legions of SIs
 
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Cute battleships are going to do cute battlethings.

Complete with the laughs, the tears, the adorable, and all of the ludicrous shipping that entails.

You know what will make this all better? Kongou. Because Kongou is love. And she hasn't glomped Goto since many, many pages ago. She is suffering Teitoku withdrawal.
 
"You thought you were fighting a regular battleship, but no it was me, Musashi!"
 
They do come in a bigger size so it just needs to carry the ego not the entire BB which it probably could as well.
 
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