*Shrugs* I'm just going with "Meh". Partially because of mood whiplash being done so much in this fic so far. I mean, in the last bit of the story as soon as you get a light, fluffy piece, you know that the next one is going to be horrible.

My other issue is once more with the Abyssals. And no, I don't mean how they are portrayed as evil incarnate. But... once more we see that they should win. Yes, I know, JMPer states that things are not like that, but... here we're basically told that they can eat humans/kill them outside of ships and get more. So with the amount that they have killed, they're going to drown humanity in bodies at worst, and continually get back more. Add in once more that no one can track them... I mean, really? No one notices that Guam has become tundra? There is no way to hide that at all, yet apparently it's happened.

As far as no one noticing the abyssals impact on local climates, I can see charts of the world now having entire regions that are shaded over, including the old text "Here be monsters..." Without reliable satellite data, overflights, or ships passing through reporting oceanographic and atmospheric data, some places might as well have a blanket over them. Observers from the ISS might be able to see that the islands are still there, but might not be able to report anything useful about them.
 
As far as no one noticing the abyssals impact on local climates, I can see charts of the world now having entire regions that are shaded over, including the old text "Here be monsters..." Without reliable satellite data, overflights, or ships passing through reporting oceanographic and atmospheric data, some places might as well have a blanket over them. Observers from the ISS might be able to see that the islands are still there, but might not be able to report anything useful about them.
It's already been stated that no one notices anything and that at best, everything appears like it did pre-war. Considering that the US kept an close eye on something that was a Chinese base and which they knew was taken by the Abyssals, the fact that they did not do the same for an American base is SOD straining.
 
It's already been stated that no one notices anything and that at best, everything appears like it did pre-war. Considering that the US kept an close eye on something that was a Chinese base and which they knew was taken by the Abyssals, the fact that they did not do the same for an American base is SOD straining.
The US wasn't, the IJN were. They had subs launching recon planes over Woody Island, which they could get away with because it wasn't nearly as deep into Abyssal territory as Guam is. It's the difference between the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor and them doing the same to Colorado Springs.
 
It's fairly obvious that Jersey and Crowning felt that their relationship was serious (or possibly moving that way with intent). And as they're human beings saying that everyone is completely understanding is kinda naive.
It's fairly obvious that Jersey and Crowning felt that their relationship was nebulous and undefined enough (Often known as 'It's complicated' or 'We have a...thing? Maybe? I don't know' or 'We're... something. I'm not sure. We're friends and...?') that neither of them thought it was the end of the world when it became clear they weren't the right match for each other. Crowning wasn't even terribly surprised. Nothing they did on either side is at all out of place for normal, RL humans to have done or felt in a relationship. Relationships, both close ones and 'It's complicated'-ones can be messy, uncertain things with no good bright lines of 'we're an exclusive couple' unless the people involved have sat down and explicitly laid that out. Now, they may have been at the 'It's complicated' stage enough that Jersey felt guilty and unhappy with herself for feeling like she was a 'cheating bitch', but as Crowning pointed out, they'd made no promises, exchanged no rings, or set any lines. They had a 'thing', and it was complicated. And the biggest thing the Musashi encounter did was show them they weren't ready for their thing to be something more definite.
Anyways, I'll be the first to admit I didn't handle that plot thread that well. But I also don't wanna go back and re-write massive chunks of the story when I could instead write forwards. So yeah.
I came in to things just before the Musashi encounter, and speaking as someone who didn't come in at that point knowing or invested in any Jersey/Crowning shipping, I felt you did it fine. It was a mess, an emotional minefield by two people who didn't know who they were to each other, and had an episode that showed them they weren't what they assumed they were, nor were they ready to be so. So the aftermath and the way it ended felt natural for me, leaving me rather bemused by the avalanche of salt from the diehards (especially on SB) who acted like you'd shot Bambi's mother.

Relationships end. This one actually ended fairly well. There was no blood, anguish, or betrayals that left people broken. They're friends still, and care about each other. Jersey's even trying, in her best way she knows, to see that he's happy and not left alone and unsure as she is. So steam on, and lets see what happens next. I'm not sailing off in a snit.
 
I've been here basically from the start and I'm in the same boat (heh. Bote) as @Strypgia here.

(Well, before I gave up on SB as a lost cause because of the proportion of dicks on that site)
 
Well I can't help explain why no one has noticed what's happened to Guam, though as to why The Abyssals haven't drowned Humanity in Bodies yet. I've got one theory, not a very good one admittedly but a theory never the less.

The Abyssals seem to be focusing on More Powerful individual units instead of more numerous if less powerful but "Good enough" units. At least that's the thought in my mind after rereading all the chapters that show Abyssal pregnancy. Though whether or not if this trend remains, is something that remains to be seen. Why this seems to be could be very simple, its a response to the arrival of New Jersey, Musashi, or even just a response by the Abyssals from the appearance of American Shipgirls. I certainly won't rule out that being the case.

A second reason is that apparently there is not a lot of unifying 'command structure' among Abyssals. While Abyssmark and her sister are reasonably close, that is apparently not the norm among queens/princesses.

Likewise, if the limiting factor is casualties that they inflict, after the initial 'spike' where they devastated the navies and merchant marine, their rate of expansion would have tapered off because of a lack of targets. Remember that after the first time they bombard/raid a major port like Shanghai, the survivors will relocate inland out of reach or fortify (or both). Likewise, while the best hard counter to an Abyssal is a shipgirl, modern aircraft are a threat as we saw in the Tosa battle where a pair of F-4s did some serious damage including sinking a couple CAs, therefore raids on coastlines are not risk-free for the Abyssals.

The US wasn't, the IJN were. They had subs launching recon planes over Woody Island, which they could get away with because it wasn't nearly as deep into Abyssal territory as Guam is. It's the difference between the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor and them doing the same to Colorado Springs.

My personal suspicion is that the USA is trying to keep an eye on Guam and other islands in Abyssal waters and has an inkling that bad things are happening there (the lack of communication from Andersen AFB being one big hint even assuming that no one broadcast a SOS when they got overrun), but because of leveling effect satellites are reasonably useless, so you need manned overflights, and it's tough to do it with recce aircraft because of the distance. Therefore they have it as a suspected base, but their strike information is not enough to actually do anything about it yet (similar to Truk circa 1942: yes it's a base, no we don't know what defenses it has or forces stationed there until we send a sub to look). Also there's a shortage of submarine assets to do recon (either shipgirl or USN) much less wolf-pack the locals. It's on the 'to do' list, along with multiple other suspected bases in all the major oceans once enough force can be broken free to hammer and reclaim them.

Remember that at this point, numbers-wise the Japanese are logistically shackled by their food needs and need to defend home waters, the RN's in the same boat trying to hold down the Atlantic and feed the Home Isles, the USN is not back quite yet to the pre-1941 force size much less what it was like 1944-45 and has lots of key areas to defend so they have the logistics but don't have the hulls, and the smaller navies like the Greeks/Turks/Italians are holding down their home waters but can't project power well (and in the case of the Italians they have design limitations that prevent sailing VV to Pearl for instance).
 
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Sounds more like the Spanish navy, at least in light of movies like the 3rd Pirates.
Don't you mean 4th Pirates? They weren't in the 3rd.
But I also don't wanna go back and re-write massive chunks of the story when I could instead write forwards. So yeah.
While I'm not a fan of how they ended myself, I can ignore it in favor of more Taffy insanity, Cameron/'laska cuteness, Gale/Wash pregnancy antics, John/Mutsu family stuff, Sky-bullying (yeah, had to include that :D) and - from the way it appears to be heading - a mild-mannered college professor's impending romantic involvement with a certain shipgirl with a penchant for mic-checks, calculations, and crawling into ceilings. :D
 
Heh, do I really say that that often?

Anyways, I'll be the first to admit I didn't handle that plot thread that well. But I also don't wanna go back and re-write massive chunks of the story when I could instead write forwards. So yeah.
Being fair, I got the impression you only went along that path at all because of the massive support for the Jer/Crown ship, rather than personal preference. Which I'd say is reflected in how that particular subplot went: they (and you) tried for a while, but it simply couldn't work, and ended in flames. As tends to happen when authors write ships they don't actually think work. Or things they don't think work in general, really.
A second reason is that apparently there is not a lot of unifying 'command structure' among Abyssals. While Abyssmark and her sister are reasonably close, that is apparently not the norm among queens/princesses.
Given their 'survival of the fittest' shtick, that's not hugely surprising. Isolated fleets acting on their own are much less likely to conquer the world quickly.
 
Being fair, I got the impression you only went along that path at all because of the massive support for the Jer/Crown ship, rather than personal preference. Which I'd say is reflected in how that particular subplot went: they (and you) tried for a while, but it simply couldn't work, and ended in flames. As tends to happen when authors write ships they don't actually think work. Or things they don't think work in general, really.

That is, from JMPs own posts, what happened. He didn't originally plan on it and people pushed him into it.

I said as much on SB and all it got was salt/ranting/me being accused of being an authorial shill.

So. Yeah. That was a thing.
 
That is, from JMPs own posts, what happened. He didn't originally plan on it and people pushed him into it.

I said as much on SB and all it got was salt/ranting/me being accused of being an authorial shill.

So. Yeah. That was a thing.
I tend to qualify statements that involve me relying on my memory, since some of my medical issues seem to f*ck with cognition and recall. I've had weird flashes of deja vu, where I know events haven't happened before, but at least some of my brain disagrees. So I don't really trust my memory too much, anymore.

Edit: Well, I don't trust it enough to not put disclaimers that imply I'm not entirely certain, anyway.
 
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I want everyone to read my posts like I'm writing an APA college essay. Paragraphs aren't needed.
If I were grading your essay, and I do occasionally grade essays, I would beg to differ.

Each distinct idea merits its own paragraph; the purpose of line breaks (on the web) or indentation (in print) is to make sure that the reader can easily tell which point you're making. A single run-on slab of text is basically stream of consciousness and leaves much to be desired in ANY format.

The post that inspired this could ,for instance, profitably be broken up as:

I didn't miss those. What you fail to understand is that for one, people can change. In theory, something can look good, but once you've taken your relationship to something more serious, you may realize that the person you liked and are great friends with doesn't make the best partner. Hell, Crowning obviously still cares for her enough to understand who and what she is and has gone through to let it go.

Two, a child is a human, but we don't expect them to be adults about something. Should we expect beings that take human form, but are the amalgamation of what, their crew, the spirit of a ship, to be human? To be mature humans? Do we expect weapons of war to have the full social grasp to things outside of war? Sure, their crews lived lives outside of war, but when they served on those ships, it was during war.

When you judge a person for a wrong they committed, you have to understand why they did it. The ship girls have been shown to be emotionally stunted and ironically naive in certain places. They know this, so they judge their own ship girls based off of this. The humans who work with them probably aren't so blind as to miss this about the girls. They also probably don't know everything, so they're not about to walk into something with little understanding.
Three separate ideas work a lot better as three separate paragraphs than as one big one.
 
well ummm.....
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*blinks* Da Fuq?
If you think 'no large consequences' and unfinished plotlines are bad, you haven't seen the SB thread. Non-stop bitching about the Crowning/Jersey ship sinking.
When the fire's already burning, people don't want to throw more fuel on it, if you catch my drift.
Reason four billion and twenty-six not to read the spacebattles forums
... if that's what your college actually accepts, your parents were ripped off.
I especially like that there is now an *official* method by which to cite wikipedia
*Shrugs* I'm just going with "Meh". Partially because of mood whiplash being done so much in this fic so far. I mean, in the last bit of the story as soon as you get a light, fluffy piece, you know that the next one is going to be horrible.

My other issue is once more with the Abyssals. And no, I don't mean how they are portrayed as evil incarnate. But... once more we see that they should win. Yes, I know, JMPer states that things are not like that, but... here we're basically told that they can eat humans/kill them outside of ships and get more. So with the amount that they have killed, they're going to drown humanity in bodies at worst, and continually get back more. Add in once more that no one can track them... I mean, really? No one notices that Guam has become tundra? There is no way to hide that at all, yet apparently it's happened.
Sooooooooooo ... the abyssals went to school off the Zerg?
That is, from JMPs own posts, what happened. He didn't originally plan on it and people pushed him into it.

I said as much on SB and all it got was salt/ranting/me being accused of being an authorial shill.

So. Yeah. That was a thing.
... And all I got from that was that someone bullied the Sky, just not in the usual way ... you people have finally corrupted me fully.
 
Given their 'survival of the fittest' shtick, that's not hugely surprising. Isolated fleets acting on their own are much less likely to conquer the world quickly.

Agreed, and there's a definite lack of strategic focus.

Habakkuk should have been reinforced after Jersey blew her DD escorts and bomber wing up because she's roadblocking the US/Japan Alaska convoy route, instead she was left out to dry, which allowed the USN and JMSDF to link up and fix each other's weaknesses. Likewise, Tosa and Abyssmark/Tirpitz should have teamed up to hit one region (either Australia where they could overrun Tiger and Haruna, Hawaii where they could tripleteam Mo, or the Panama Canal and Wisky/Texas) with overwhelming force. Versus Tosa taking a swing at Japan when she had a good chance to get into trouble solo with Kaga/Arizona/Yamashiro/Hiei and Abyssmark hitting convoys in the South Pacific.

Heck for that matter, if someone gun-armed had backed up Graf Zepplin on her raid on Tokyo that Shinano smashed, Graf would still be available to cover Abyssmark and so on. Instead Abyssal Graf got her airwing shattered by Shinano and then got run down by Chokai leading a cruiser division and sunk once she was out of Stukas.

Another missed opportunity was Abysstoga's raid. Sure she pinned down Alaska and Atago in the Gulf and that let the wolfpack sink Wisconsin. Where's the followup against Panama and the Gulf then? Losing either one would be damaging to the USN, but instead it never happened. The only way I can see a plan there was if Abysstoga thought that she could sink Alaska without enough damage to necessitate a withdrawal versus wrecking the Gulf oil fields or the Panama Canal locks. Which is wildly optimistic since Abysstoga can't exactly tank 12"/50 shellfire safely as a battlecrusier (to say nothing of Texas's 14"/45s that blew her out of the water). If the wolfpack missed Wisconsin she would be in a world of pain once Wisky arrived.
 
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For me, yeah, I agree with a great deal of Harry Lefert's reasoning as to why the bits written by thejmper tend to the meh for me. But, this thread also contains the Eurobotes and Certain Lady snips, and those are worth keeping up with the thread and not dropping it.

Also, to mangle some advice from the inestimable Red Green: "Free Literature is like Free Love, you get what you pay for."

Sure some of the plot strains the Suspension of Disbelief mightily at times, but that's a minor sin compared to most of the attempts (that's as charitable as I get) at fiction one sees nowadays.
 
In her defense, Texas pulled a "Surprise Motherfucker!" at the naval equivalent of point blank range. Any ship would suffer in such a circumstance.

True, but even before Texas mugged her, Abysstoga was in bad shape and well in range of land based air that would have sunk her (plus out of CLAA escorts thanks to Atago). She could have trashed the gulf oil fields then, but not much more (and the USN having Panama get damaged or knocked out would be a serious blow since that enormously complicates ship deployments and maritime traffic between Atlantic Fleet and Pacific Fleet although shipgirls can get more easily ferried between bases via airplane).
 
Her pallid belly was swollen with demonic legions. Her bone-white skin oozed oily blood from the many tears her girth brought with it. Her body screamed in agony with every passing wave as the craggy forged-iron horns of her spawn ground against the raw, bleeding flesh of her womb.

There were hundreds inside her now. There had been thousands, but that was before. The weak had been culled, their bodies devoured by the strong in a Darwinian symphony as stark and brutal as it was exquisite. The very essence, the meaning, of life distilled to its most crucial attributes and played out in microcosm inside her womb.

It's like a combination of shark and Suriname Toad gestation. Eww.

The paratrooper said nothing, they never did. But as he opened the gate to Toth's cage, an unearthly growl echoed through the trooper's gas mask. It was like granite boulders crashing against each other. Loud, stern, and utterly devoid of even the faintest shred of humanity. Still, Toth got the message. Assemble his men for… something. Inspection, maybe?

Inspection is likely correct. Inspecting the meat for defects and quality. It is times like these when cyanide pills would be very handy. May the Abyssals be cleansed with Oppenheimer's holy light.
 
If I were grading your essay, and I do occasionally grade essays, I would beg to differ.

Each distinct idea merits its own paragraph; the purpose of line breaks (on the web) or indentation (in print) is to make sure that the reader can easily tell which point you're making. A single run-on slab of text is basically stream of consciousness and leaves much to be desired in ANY format.


Three separate ideas work a lot better as three separate paragraphs than as one big one.

Ehh, I've spent the better part of a year writing 10-20 paragraphs where its not each idea that gets a sentence, but a over arching idea where sub ideas can be linked in it. Go engineering research essays. The kid thing is separate tho. I also barely ever interact on forums, so it's hard to break out of set in way writing styles. Man, does it not look like a lot though when I'm typing it up.

Also, whats the deal on SR-71s and U-2s? Are they usable against the Abbyssals or are they too new and suffer the same fate as satellites and other modern tech?

On that note, I'll probably go silent for a month.
 
Also, whats the deal on SR-71s and U-2s? Are they usable against the Abbyssals or are they too new and suffer the same fate as satellites and other modern tech?

I have to admit, the leveling effect is sometimes confusing for me too, best to just let the author write it as they see fit, and not try to pick it apart too much.

As for the U2 and the Blackbird, I expect they would suddenly find themselves easier to catch and/or target with AA. Also their pictures would probably turn out to the highest standards of 1945 Allied aerial photography.
 
Ehh, I've spent the better part of a year writing 10-20 paragraphs where its not each idea that gets a sentence, but a over arching idea where sub ideas can be linked in it. Go engineering research essays. The kid thing is separate tho. I also barely ever interact on forums, so it's hard to break out of set in way writing styles. Man, does it not look like a lot though when I'm typing it up.
As a general rule, a paragraph that is more than about five or six sentences long can profitably be broken up. That's true in ANY form of writing. More advanced text can mean packing more ideas into a paragraph, but it also means longer sentences.

One sentence should be one complete thought. One paragraph is several thoughts that compose a coherent idea.
 
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