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Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

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You know, I remember pondering whether or not the Abyssals took prisoners many a time before and I thought of a couple theories why they'd do such a thing in the first place. Now I can see that yes, yes they do... and I realize to my Abject Horror that one of my theories as to why... was proven correct.

May as well state my theory on Abyssal 'pregnancy' now before I forget. My theory is that the initial number of demons in a princess's womb is directly tied to the size of the crew complement on the ships they've sunk. Now whether or not the pregnancy process gets dramatically accelerated say if an abyssal devoured a Human remains to be seen but well... i think everyone has an idea of what'll befall the General and/or whoever else is still alive and imprisoned on Guam...

I think I'm gonna pour myself a very stiff drink. If for nothing else than to hopefully scour my mind of the disturbing images it conjured up.
 
Andellmere said:
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I think you're making more out of Jersey and Crowning's relationship then there was. From how I saw it, it was like two really good friends, who when they decided they might want to try to make something more found out it wouldn't work. Jersey is kinda messed up and Crowning found out Jersey isn't the right girl for him. Jersey never cheated on him per say. She tried to and failed, but she is also a couple thousand horny dudes, so that's an acceptable explanation. It's like getting mad at your girlfriend for when a lifeguard gives her mouth to mouth. Nobody is giving Jersey shit because they understand what she is going through, whats wrong with her. All the shipgirls can understand Jersey, and everyone else can be correctly informed.
 
Always Late said:
If you think 'no large consequences' and unfinished plotlines are bad, you haven't seen the SB thread. Non-stop bitching about the Crowning/Jersey ship sinking.
When the fire's already burning, people don't want to throw more fuel on it, if you catch my drift.
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Skywalker_T-65 said:
Pretty much that, yeah.
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Soo.... I'm just supposed to accept that Jersey does whatever the fuck Jersey wants and all the other characters are inconsequential yes-men who have no thoughts of their own for anything involving her?
Because that sounds like what you're telling me. That I should drop this and forget all about the bad writing that led to it because a different forum didn't keep themselves under control.
We have a mod as a regular poster on this thread. So far, all discussion of this has been polite. I don't want to fight or try to force a rewrite or anything. I just want to talk about what I feel is a humongous plot hole.
XWingExecuter said:
I think you're making more out of Jersey and Crowning's relationship then there was. From how I saw it, it was like two really good friends, who when they decided they might want to try to make something more found out it wouldn't work. Jersey is kinda messed up and Crowning found out Jersey isn't the right girl for him. Jersey never cheated on him per say. She tried to and failed, but she is also a couple thousand horny dudes, so that's an acceptable explanation. It's like getting mad at your girlfriend for when a lifeguard gives her mouth to mouth. Nobody is giving Jersey shit because they understand what she is going through, whats wrong with her. All the shipgirls can understand Jersey, and everyone else can be correctly informed.
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You have obviously skipped over these quotes:

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And whatever the hell she was, she had Crowning. Or… had. After what she'd done, the battleship would be astonished if she stayed in this fucked-up jury-rig of a relationship until daybreak.
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theJMPer said:
"But I've always had a fucking hard-on for Musashi and you fucking know it," said the battleship. "Fucking… cheating-ass bitch… you're better-fucking-off without me."
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It's fairly obvious that Jersey and Crowning felt that their relationship was serious (or possibly moving that way with intent). And as they're human beings saying that everyone is completely understanding is kinda naive.
 
Andellmere said:
So, this has been festering in my mind for nearly twelve hours and won't leave me alone: Is Jersey ever going to face any social consequences for her actions with Musashi?
I don't know about the rest of you, but where I'm from someone who cheated on their SO tends to be treated less kindly than Jersey has been. They most often are treated as someone you wouldn't put trust in (given the last time someone put trust in them, look how that turned out).
Jersey cheated on Crowning, didn't fess up to it(so he had to find out because Musashi's a dumbass), apologized when he called her, got off with an absolutely pitiful slap on the wrist from two admirals (Being separated from Musashi since they couldn't be trusted together), finished the mission they were separated for, went to the naval base where Crowning now lives (You know, the one he uprooted his entire life to assist her to go to?), asked for permission to repeat the thing that got her punished (Which was given, by both admirals, because we evidently don't learn from our mistakes if we're shipgirls or admirals to shipgirls), kept the entire base up with their hatefuck (the base where Crowning lives. You know, the guy she cheated on with the person she's hatefucking?), and then spent the morning being buddy-buddy with Crowning. All of this with the apparent approval of everyone around her. No one has so much as commented on this. I was expecting snide comments or more formal attitudes, specifically from those who had been deployed and managed to keep it in their pants. At the very least, I expected sympathetic remarks to Crowning. Instead we get what has happened so far in the story: Jersey displays Zero-Impulse Control and is happily rewarded for it.


I really enjoyed this story. Still do, in fact. But this entire thing with Jersey and Musashi has torn into that pretty well. Could I get an explanation for why no one is angry at Jersey, at least? Crowning loves her, so there's his excuse. You might argue that the shipgirls somehow understand why Jersey did what she did. But why is the average person on any of the bases behaving like it's business as usual? Everyone who has a Twitter account knows what happened and supposedly a good number of them were cheering on Crowning/Jersey. We haven't seen a single person so much as mention what happened. No off-color comments, no snide remarks, no comfort offered.
The people don't feel like people if something like this could happen to their friend and no one says or does anything, you know?
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There is one thing that theJMPer probably needs to emphasize more, on occasion: Shipgirls are not girls. They are typically not very sane by human standards, though some seem to be most of the time. We see this all second hand, but the characters in the story are living it.

It might be interesting to see Crowning and Gale get into a discussion about having a relationship with shipgirls. Kirishima is far more sane than Jersey is, at least on the surface. However, after Crowning's experience with Jersey, he's likely going to be concerned about getting involved with any shipgirl. Gale is in a relationship with Wash, and would be an excellent point of contact for Crowning to touch base with in regards to a relationship with a shipgirl.
 
Andellmere said:
It's fairly obvious that Jersey and Crowning felt that their relationship was serious (or possibly moving that way with intent). And as they're human beings saying that everyone is completely understanding is kinda naive.
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I didn't miss those. What you fail to understand is that for one, people can change. In theory, something can look good, but once you've taken your relationship to something more serious, you may realize that the person you liked and are great friends with doesn't make the best partner. Hell, Crowning obviously still cares for her enough to understand who and what she is and has gone through to let it go. Two, a child is a human, but we don't expect them to be adults about something. Should we expect beings that take human form, but are the amalgamation of what, their crew, the spirit of a ship, to be human? To be mature humans? Do we expect weapons of war to have the full social grasp to things outside of war? Sure, their crews lived lives outside of war, but when they served on those ships, it was during war. When you judge a person for a wrong they committed, you have to understand why they did it. The ship girls have been shown to be emotionally stunted and ironically naive in certain places. They know this, so they judge their own ship girls based off of this. The humans who work with them probably aren't so blind as to miss this about the girls. They also probably don't know everything, so they're not about to walk into something with little understanding.
 
XWingExecuter said:
I didn't miss those. What you fail to understand is that for one, people can change. In theory, something can look good, but once you've taken your relationship to something more serious, you may realize that the person you liked and are great friends with doesn't make the best partner. Hell, Crowning obviously still cares for her enough to understand who and what she is and has gone through to let it go. Two, a child is a human, but we don't expect them to be adults about something. Should we expect beings that take human form, but are the amalgamation of what, their crew, the spirit of a ship, to be human? To be mature humans? Do we expect weapons of war to have the full social grasp to things outside of war? Sure, their crews lived lives outside of war, but when they served on those ships, it was during war. When you judge a person for a wrong they committed, you have to understand why they did it. The ship girls have been shown to be emotionally stunted and ironically naive in certain places. They know this, so they judge their own ship girls based off of this. The humans who work with them probably aren't so blind as to miss this about the girls. They also probably don't know everything, so they're not about to walk into something with little understanding.
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Enter-chan feels neglected, give her more headpats.
 
Andellmere said:
Soo.... I'm just supposed to accept that Jersey does whatever the fuck Jersey wants and all the other characters are inconsequential yes-men who have no thoughts of their own for anything involving her?
Because that sounds like what you're telling me. That I should drop this and forget all about the bad writing that led to it because a different forum didn't keep themselves under control.
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It has little to do with the characters and everything to do with the author. I shall be very plain and explicit, no metaphors or implications.
1. TheJMPer does not wish to write further about the subject since it will only make more people upset.
2. The reader's control over a story is only as much as the author gives them.

You are not the first, only, or last to be upset that the Jersey/Crowning plotline went this way. Adding the sections you have mentioned would likley not satisfy most who have expressed unhappiness with the turn of events, as they are more focused on the Jer/Crown ship. Additionally, there would be a counter-movement by those who liked the twist or the Jer/Mushi ship, as what they want to see is now being taken away. So rather than make a shitstorm with two unhappy groups going at each other and the author hammer and tongs, theJMPer chose to let the plotline stay, flaws and all, and just roll with it.

Now, in regards to number two, there's a saying theJMper is rather fond of, 'fuck you, I do what I want'. And while it is said in friendly hyperbole/pouting rather than maliciousness, it's rather accurate for how business is conducted on the internet. You cannot make theJMPer, or any author, do anything. You can't make him write something, you can't make him say something, you have no power over what gets written. This goes for everybody else here. Even the staff can't compel someone to write. That theJMPer responded to you at all was his choice. Not an obligation he had to fulfill. Bad authors who tell good, constructive critique to shove it can, and are, called out about it... but nothing can really be done beyond that.

So yes. I am telling you that you are never going to get what you desire. The bad writing is never going to be rewritten or edited. The bad blood already in the water is forever going to taint the subject. And there is nothing you, I, or anybody else can do about that. What you do have control over, is how you deal with this state of reality.
 
Heh, do I really say that that often?

Anyways, I'll be the first to admit I didn't handle that plot thread that well. But I also don't wanna go back and re-write massive chunks of the story when I could instead write forwards. So yeah.
 
Admiral_Corgi said:
You know, I remember pondering whether or not the Abyssals took prisoners many a time before and I thought of a couple theories why they'd do such a thing in the first place. Now I can see that yes, yes they do... and I realize to my Abject Horror that one of my theories as to why... was proven correct.

May as well state my theory on Abyssal 'pregnancy' now before I forget. My theory is that the initial number of demons in a princess's womb is directly tied to the size of the crew complement on the ships they've sunk. Now whether or not the pregnancy process gets dramatically accelerated say if an abyssal devoured a Human remains to be seen but well... i think everyone has an idea of what'll befall the General and/or whoever else is still alive and imprisoned on Guam...

I think I'm gonna pour myself a very stiff drink. If for nothing else than to hopefully scour my mind of the disturbing images it conjured up.
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Dear God I believe you're right. Though this only raises the disturbing question of what Abyssals do to replenish their supplies of prisoners........
 
Always Late said:
It has little to do with the characters and everything to do with the author. I shall be very plain and explicit, no metaphors or implications.
1. TheJMPer does not wish to write further about the subject since it will only make more people upset.
2. The reader's control over a story is only as much as the author gives them.

You are not the first, only, or last to be upset that the Jersey/Crowning plotline went this way. Adding the sections you have mentioned would likley not satisfy most who have expressed unhappiness with the turn of events, as they are more focused on the Jer/Crown ship. Additionally, there would be a counter-movement by those who liked the twist or the Jer/Mushi ship, as what they want to see is now being taken away. So rather than make a shitstorm with two unhappy groups going at each other and the author hammer and tongs, theJMPer chose to let the plotline stay, flaws and all, and just roll with it.

Now, in regards to number two, there's a saying theJMper is rather fond of, 'fuck you, I do what I want'. And while it is said in friendly hyperbole/pouting rather than maliciousness, it's rather accurate for how business is conducted on the internet. You cannot make theJMPer, or any author, do anything. You can't make him write something, you can't make him say something, you have no power over what gets written. This goes for everybody else here. Even the staff can't compel someone to write. That theJMPer responded to you at all was his choice. Not an obligation he had to fulfill. Bad authors who tell good, constructive critique to shove it can, and are, called out about it... but nothing can really be done beyond that.

So yes. I am telling you that you are never going to get what you desire. The bad writing is never going to be rewritten or edited. The bad blood already in the water is forever going to taint the subject. And there is nothing you, I, or anybody else can do about that. What you do have control over, is how you deal with this state of reality.
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Hmm. I'm rather glad that I'm not too emotionally invested in shipping, because I have no idea how relationships even work (though that's more personal on my part). I'm more content with plot progression and I'm very much a "go with the flow" sort of person. I know that it's not something most would agree on, but I'm not one to seriously argue over an author's decision with their works.
 
I just let ships flow as they must. Which is probably why mine are always so slow burning.
 
Admiral_Corgi said:
You know, I remember pondering whether or not the Abyssals took prisoners many a time before and I thought of a couple theories why they'd do such a thing in the first place. Now I can see that yes, yes they do... and I realize to my Abject Horror that one of my theories as to why... was proven correct.

May as well state my theory on Abyssal 'pregnancy' now before I forget. My theory is that the initial number of demons in a princess's womb is directly tied to the size of the crew complement on the ships they've sunk. Now whether or not the pregnancy process gets dramatically accelerated say if an abyssal devoured a Human remains to be seen but well... i think everyone has an idea of what'll befall the General and/or whoever else is still alive and imprisoned on Guam...

I think I'm gonna pour myself a very stiff drink. If for nothing else than to hopefully scour my mind of the disturbing images it conjured up.
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I think we all need a stiff drink after thinking about that too long...
 
Great. Fantastic. Thank you for clarifying. All of you.

I won't be reading anymore of this, because I can feel the ulcers growing with every moment that I spend thinking about how much I now hate your main character, but I do want to compliment you on a fantastically written story outside of that. Your characters were compelling, your storylines intriguing, and your romance and drama well written. Thank you for what I enjoyed.
Now, I'm going to remove myself from the thread before I do or say something I regret and try to rub out the bad bits of this story with the wondrous tinge of nostalgia.
 
*Shrugs* I'm just going with "Meh". Partially because of mood whiplash being done so much in this fic so far. I mean, in the last bit of the story as soon as you get a light, fluffy piece, you know that the next one is going to be horrible.

My other issue is once more with the Abyssals. And no, I don't mean how they are portrayed as evil incarnate. But... once more we see that they should win. Yes, I know, JMPer states that things are not like that, but... here we're basically told that they can eat humans/kill them outside of ships and get more. So with the amount that they have killed, they're going to drown humanity in bodies at worst, and continually get back more. Add in once more that no one can track them... I mean, really? No one notices that Guam has become tundra? There is no way to hide that at all, yet apparently it's happened.
 
Abject Testament said:
Dear God I believe you're right. Though this only raises the disturbing question of what Abyssals do to replenish their supplies of prisoners........
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Well, I've got an idea or two on how they replenish their supply of prisoners. Say if Fishermen or Merchant vessels get sunk and there's anyone still alive and adrift, well... that's one source. Another is possibly raiding parties when the Abyssals raid a coastal area. I mean... It is entirely possible for small vessels to slip in deploy a raiding party and 'acquire' supplies while the area is being Bombarded by the Big ships. I mean... Most people would be taking cover, which means they'd never seen the Demons coming till it was well the hell too late to escape. But alas both of these possibilities are just theories on how Abyssals replenish supplies of prisoners.

Though I do believe anyone who actual got captured and lived long enough to get rescued, or somehow escape and make it back to civilization. I don't think all the therapy in the world could quite mend the damage done to such a survivor's psyche after spending time as a POW of the Abyss. I shudder to think of what kind of horrid things such a person would have witnessed, well that and I'm not quite sure yet on whether or not prolong exposure/proximity to Abyssals would have Adverse Mental/Physical health effects (Barring witnessing Horrid deeds done by Abyssals to other prisoners and whatnot mind you, That's just a Multiplier) on a human being.

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Harry Leferts said:
*Shrugs* I'm just going with "Meh". Partially because of mood whiplash being done so much in this fic so far. I mean, in the last bit of the story as soon as you get a light, fluffy piece, you know that the next one is going to be horrible.

My other issue is once more with the Abyssals. And no, I don't mean how they are portrayed as evil incarnate. But... once more we see that they should win. Yes, I know, JMPer states that things are not like that, but... here we're basically told that they can eat humans/kill them outside of ships and get more. So with the amount that they have killed, they're going to drown humanity in bodies at worst, and continually get back more. Add in once more that no one can track them... I mean, really? No one notices that Guam has become tundra? There is no way to hide that at all, yet apparently it's happened.
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Well I can't help explain why no one has noticed what's happened to Guam, though as to why The Abyssals haven't drowned Humanity in Bodies yet. I've got one theory, not a very good one admittedly but a theory never the less.

The Abyssals seem to be focusing on More Powerful individual units instead of more numerous if less powerful but "Good enough" units. At least that's the thought in my mind after rereading all the chapters that show Abyssal pregnancy. Though whether or not if this trend remains, is something that remains to be seen. Why this seems to be could be very simple, its a response to the arrival of New Jersey, Musashi, or even just a response by the Abyssals from the appearance of American Shipgirls. I certainly won't rule out that being the case.

Okay time for that Drink. My head is Full of Lovecraftian Horror now.
 
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