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Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

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theJMPer said:
Yeah, they had the "turn like hell" drill down from stage one.
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"Turn like hell" is something of a misnomer though. The SR-71 turning radius is something like 200 miles... because at the speeds it went, you could not pull off tight turns to say the least without either killing the pilot, or more likely, destroying the aircraft by ripping it apart due to forces on it.
 
Old Iron said:
Did it decide that shell casing were to be ingested via air intake? o_O
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landcollector said:
Or someone messed up on the recoil force vs. thrust calcs and the plane stalled and fell out of the sky.
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No, he literally shot himself down. He fired his cannons while in a dive. Both plane and bullet were affected by drag, but only the plane had a afterburning turbojet to muscle past said drag. By time the pilot pulled out of his dive, he'd overtaken his own shells and got a shredded engine for his trouble.
 
If the Abyssal Bismarck and Tirpitz (and children) rangefinders fall under the equaling effect...I can't wait for them to try to push Pearl Harbor.

Missouri will sally forth, and within a few hours her crew will be wondering if the Abyssals are still firing at them or found another target. Due to the Iowa battleships ignoring the leveling effect, it should be the same as if an Iowa and Bismarck/Tirpitz fought in WW2. An utterly one sided event in which the Iowa's crew feels like they just beat up a defenseless puppy. Granted, in this case Mo's crew will be happy that they put down all the Abyssal Nazis.

That's roughly where Missouri (due to OP American tech bullshit) stands in comparison to Bismarck through H-44 (Nazis engineers love to build things, not if it was worth it to build it). Honestly, there are/were two truths about US Naval gunnery in WW2. The shots will straddle, and there is nothing that can stop a Super heavy 16 in shell.
 
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Sir_Gaea said:
If the Abyssal Bismarck and Tirpitz (and children) rangefinders fall under the equaling effect...I can't wait for them to try to push Pearl Harbor.

Missouri will sally forth, and within a few hours her crew will be wondering if the Abyssals are still firing at them or found another target. Due to the Iowa battleships ignoring the leveling effect, it should be the same as if an Iowa and Bismarck/Tirpitz fought in WW2. An utterly one sided event in which the Iowa's crew feels like they just beat up a defenseless puppy. Granted, in this case Mo's crew will be happy that they put down all the Abyssal Nazis.

That's roughly where Missouri (due to OP American tech bullshit) stands in comparison to Bismarck through H-44 (Nazis engineers love to build things, not if it was worth it to build it). Honestly, there are/were two truths about US Naval gunnery in WW2. The shots will straddle, and there is nothing that can stop a Super heavy 16 in shell.
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Eh? Mo's affected by the leveling effect just like any steel hull. It's just that the standard for "Best modern-era big-gun battleship" is Mo.
 
theJMPer said:
Eh? Mo's affected by the leveling effect just like any steel hull. It's just that the standard for "Best modern-era big-gun battleship" is Mo.
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So, there is a leveling effect, but it's just this side of zero. Meaning for all intents and purposes Abyssal Bismarck is going to behave like actual Bismarck would have in a WW2 battle against Missouri, just with more over the top Nazi effects, and a possible shout of "I am Invincible!" to add flavor.
 
Sir_Gaea said:
So, there is a leveling effect, but it's just this side of zero. Meaning for all intents and purposes Abyssal Bismarck is going to behave like actual Bismarck would have in a WW2 battle against Missouri, just with more over the top Nazi effects, and a possible shout of "I am Invincible!" to add flavor.
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And that's the moment that Mo cracks Bismark in half via a hit to the Magazines.
 
Hood:

"I sense a grave disturbance in the Force... and it feels GREAT!"

theJMPer said:
Yeah, that was the problem. The missile would slow down behind you on release, lock on to your own ass, and then accelerate into said ass.
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This may have been a problem in part because of the AIM-47 being an early active radar-homing missile, speculatively; the final version had its own tracking radar instead of being guided by a radar beam from the launching plane. Obviously in the latter case, the missile ignores the launching plane's own ass because said ass is insufficiently illuminated*. But in the former case, the missile will self-illuminate any and all asses in the general direction of its flight, preferentially assailing that which is closest, causing the problem you describe.
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*...Unless the pilot has not only managed to somehow adjoin head and colon, as is a pilot's prerogative, but get the plane to do the same, which is difficult to imagine...
 
Sir_Gaea said:
If the Abyssal Bismarck and Tirpitz (and children) rangefinders fall under the equaling effect...I can't wait for them to try to push Pearl Harbor.

Missouri will sally forth, and within a few hours her crew will be wondering if the Abyssals are still firing at them or found another target. Due to the Iowa battleships ignoring the leveling effect, it should be the same as if an Iowa and Bismarck/Tirpitz fought in WW2. An utterly one sided event in which the Iowa's crew feels like they just beat up a defenseless puppy. Granted, in this case Mo's crew will be happy that they put down all the Abyssal Nazis.

That's roughly where Missouri (due to OP American tech bullshit) stands in comparison to Bismarck through H-44 (Nazis engineers love to build things, not if it was worth it to build it). Honestly, there are/were two truths about US Naval gunnery in WW2. The shots will straddle, and there is nothing that can stop a Super heavy 16 in shell.
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Jersey: Let go'a me dammit!
Hood: Nu! I need my protection!
*Jersey punches Hood*
*Hood doubles over* Right in the magazines... x_x
 
Except I don't think the Higher Ups would approve of sending Mo against Bisko and Co. Even if she would be 99% guaranteed. That 1% would be the cutoff.
 
Simon_Jester said:
That's probably an apt term for Kelly Johnson and the Skunkworks crew, yes.

It bears remembering that the SR-71 project design work was done only about fifteen years after the first time the sound barrier was successfully breached (1947-1962), so they were very, very much pushing the bleeding edge of technology in a way few aerospace design projects since have done. The SR-71 was the first military aircraft whose performance requirements exceeded ANY necessary requirement and never became obsolete due to lack of performance. The plane was phased out not because a better plane was needed, but because an entirely different solution to the problem was found.
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From what I've heard, they ocassionally had to make the edge themselves. As in, they reached the bleeding edge, found it fell short of their goal, and extended it on their own.
Simon_Jester said:
Rocket engine nozzles do the 'fuel as coolant' thing all the time. When dealing with these kind of temperatures (several hundred degrees, or thousands for a rocket), all the coolant needs is to absorb heat from the engine nozzle once, then go "foomp" and be gone. Thus, it is somewhat less important that the fuel have optimal properties for a coolant fluid.

Now, using the fuel for the hydraulics is a lot more impressive.
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I suspect it's a much better coolant than most types of fuel. You can apparently extinguish a match in JP-7, and not start a fire. It also didn't just cool the engine nozzles. No, it cooled just about EVERYTHING. It was apparently super-cooled during sub-sonic flight, and got passed through heat exchangers on it's way to the engines, picking up heat from just about every system in the jet. This included the air-conditioning, and the airfoil itself. Then, it would pick up heat from parts of the engine, as it fulfilled it's role in the engines as hydraulic fluid, before finally reaching the engine nozzles and igniting.

The stuff was apparently ~550 degrees by the time it reached the nozzles. And it still needed an additional igniter to get it started burning. It's apparently still made and used, particularly by U2's, though I don't know if they use it anywhere near as extensively or creatively as the SR-71s did.
theJMPer said:
No, he literally shot himself down. He fired his cannons while in a dive. Both plane and bullet were affected by drag, but only the plane had a afterburning turbojet to muscle past said drag. By time the pilot pulled out of his dive, he'd overtaken his own shells and got a shredded engine for his trouble.
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Holy crap. If the pilot survived that, I'm willing to bet he never lived that down.
Sir_Gaea said:
That's roughly where Missouri (due to OP American tech bullshit) stands in comparison to Bismarck through H-44 (Nazis engineers love to build things, not if it was worth it to build it). Honestly, there are/were two truths about US Naval gunnery in WW2. The shots will straddle, and there is nothing that can stop a Super heavy 16 in shell.
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Oh, the Nazis were definitely prone to building things without regard for the practicality. The Schwerer Gustav artillery piece, for instance, which was the absolutely massive one with the fire-rate of two shots per hour, at the fastest. Though, to be fair, while it often simply couldn't be brought to bear fast enough to matter, it was pretty damn good at destroying fortifications, when it did actually get to fire on them.

My personal favorite boondoggle of their is the massive manufacturing facility they made to mass-produce chlorine trifluoride. They made about as much of the stuff as they figured they'd make monthly, by the time the Allies captured the place. Which was seven years after it was built. The price tag to make what they did was enormous, too, and they never even used it in combat. Which, given that this is ClF3​, which ignites concrete and makes gaseous hydrofluoric acid in the process, is a really good thing.
RBomber said:
Golden Rays of the Glorious Sunshine
Sending Down Such a Blood Red Light
Now the Animals slowly Retreats to the Shadow
Out Of Sight

Edit: Sorry, cannot resist. :p
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*shadows. Plural. Also, nix the 's' after 'retreat'.

...What? I have the soundtrack. And have listened to that song a lot.
Simon_Jester said:
This may have been a problem in part because of the AIM-47 being an early active radar-homing missile, speculatively; the final version had its own tracking radar instead of being guided by a radar beam from the launching plane. Obviously in the latter case, the missile ignores the launching plane's own ass because said ass is insufficiently illuminated*. But in the former case, the missile will self-illuminate any and all asses in the general direction of its flight, preferentially assailing that which is closest, causing the problem you describe.
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*...Unless the pilot has not only managed to somehow adjoin head and colon, as is a pilot's prerogative, but get the plane to do the same, which is difficult to imagine...
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If I could, I'd give this both a 'funny', and an 'informative'.
 
Burning Baron said:
Except I don't think the Higher Ups would approve of sending Mo against Bisko and Co. Even if she would be 99% guaranteed. That 1% would be the cutoff.
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I know that the Iowas were the second best battleships ever built, but it's two verses one, and Mo has to deal with stuff like ageing, unstable powder, years of disuse, etc. The higher ups definitely aren't going to risk Mo tangling with Bismarck and Tirpitz. At least not without Jersey backing her up.
 
Burning Baron said:
He would have had to explain it to his Squadron Commander first. :D
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My google-fu seems to indicate this actually happened during a test flight, back in the 50's. It was Grumman's first super-sonic fighter, apparently. And, not only did he hit his engines, but he caved in his windshield with his own fire. The guy was hurt in the crash, though not enough to keep him off the flight roster for more than a few months, and initially figured he hit a bird or something.

The fact that it was an early test flight puts a slightly different twist on things, IMO, since he was likely following orders as to how to put the plane through it's paces. And, even if he wasn't, his mistake would have likely revealed that they had to consider such things when dealing with planes that move at super-sonic speeds. Unless, of course, this can happen in sub-sonic dives, too.

Edit: To be clear, Grumman was the manufacturer, not the pilot. From the sounds of it, they either didn't brief their test pilots on what not to do, hadn't known this could happen, and/or actively told the pilot to do what he did, as part of the testing.
 
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