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YuffieK said:
Then again, once A!Bismarck recovers from birthing her hellspawned Wolf Pack (or whatever her escorts will be), what's to stop her from steaming straight to Honolulu? Mo is a damn juicy target.
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As is the home of the USN Pacific Fleet. The Japanese certainly thought so, once upon a time.
 
YuffieK said:
Then again, once A!Bismarck recovers from birthing her hellspawned Wolf Pack (or whatever her escorts will be), what's to stop her from steaming straight to Honolulu? Mo is a damn juicy target.
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Hopefully Mo won't be there by the time she gets there. Assuming Mo is lightly loaded, she could easily outrun the Bismarck twins, and even fully loaded, the Iowa and Bismarck class are about equal in speed.
 
Nixeu said:
From what I've heard, they ocassionally had to make the edge themselves. As in, they reached the bleeding edge, found it fell short of their goal, and extended it on their own.

I suspect it's a much better coolant than most types of fuel. You can apparently extinguish a match in JP-7, and not start a fire. It also didn't just cool the engine nozzles. No, it cooled just about EVERYTHING. It was apparently super-cooled during sub-sonic flight, and got passed through heat exchangers on it's way to the engines, picking up heat from just about every system in the jet. This included the air-conditioning, and the airfoil itself. Then, it would pick up heat from parts of the engine, as it fulfilled it's role in the engines as hydraulic fluid, before finally reaching the engine nozzles and igniting.

The stuff was apparently ~550 degrees by the time it reached the nozzles. And it still needed an additional igniter to get it started burning. It's apparently still made and used, particularly by U2's, though I don't know if they use it anywhere near as extensively or creatively as the SR-71s did.

Holy crap. If the pilot survived that, I'm willing to bet he never lived that down.

Oh, the Nazis were definitely prone to building things without regard for the practicality. The Schwerer Gustav artillery piece, for instance, which was the absolutely massive one with the fire-rate of two shots per hour, at the fastest. Though, to be fair, while it often simply couldn't be brought to bear fast enough to matter, it was pretty damn good at destroying fortifications, when it did actually get to fire on them.

My personal favorite boondoggle of their is the massive manufacturing facility they made to mass-produce chlorine trifluoride. They made about as much of the stuff as they figured they'd make monthly, by the time the Allies captured the place. Which was seven years after it was built. The price tag to make what they did was enormous, too, and they never even used it in combat. Which, given that this is ClF3​, which ignites concrete and makes gaseous hydrofluoric acid in the process, is a really good thing.

*shadows. Plural. Also, nix the 's' after 'retreat'.

...What? I have the soundtrack. And have listened to that song a lot.

If I could, I'd give this both a 'funny', and an 'informative'.
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ClF3​. It ignites literally everything. So much so that the Nazis decided it was too dangerous to use. To quote Hank Green, "It's even more dangerous than Flourine gas, which anyone with a degree in chemistry will tell you is not a sentence that you get to say very often."
 
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Sanae Aran said:
I know that the Iowas were the second best battleships ever built, but it's two verses one, and Mo has to deal with stuff like ageing, unstable powder, years of disuse, etc. The higher ups definitely aren't going to risk Mo tangling with Bismarck and Tirpitz. At least not without Jersey backing her up.
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Well, it was stated in the thread that the Navy has apparently turned up warehouses with everything needed to arm and maintain the Iowas since Abyssals have become a thing. We know that in Real Life this isn't a thing, but in BelaBatts the Iowas really want to get into the fight.
Second? Well, the Iowas really are that good, and the Bismarck/Tirpitz had EXTREMELY badly designed....everything. The AA guns had nothing preventing them from shooting the superstructure, the rangefinders were known to induce such eye fatigue that the guns could not be aimed well after a time, and the metallurgy. On one hand we have armor essentially unchanged from Pre-WW1 vs armor the same as what stopped an (essentially) point-blank shot from a Battleship caliber main gun.

Finally, the deal breaker, Radar. Missouri can find and start straddling (while performing evasive actions) the Abyssal Nazis before they realized that there was a fight going on.

[EDIT] Also, due to the leveling affect, the remaining 5"/38s that remain on Missouri were the best DP guns in WW2. Which means, if the author lets the leveling affect go both ways, means that Missouri can deal with what aircraft the Nazis might have.
 
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Nixeu said:
My personal favorite boondoggle of their is the massive manufacturing facility they made to mass-produce chlorine trifluoride. They made about as much of the stuff as they figured they'd make monthly, by the time the Allies captured the place. Which was seven years after it was built. The price tag to make what they did was enormous, too, and they never even used it in combat. Which, given that this is ClF3, which ignites concrete and makes gaseous hydrofluoric acid in the process, is a really good thing.
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Indeed. Anything that will burn asbestos is best left alone.

Burning Baron said:
And I'm saying that, unless they were heading straight for Honolulu, they'd keep her disengaged. They already lost Whisky.
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There is a tipping point for preserving military hardware. Just like any other military asset, you have to weigh the value of the ship against the value of what the ship is protecting.

If Mo goes down while keeping a landing force backed by two Abyssal battleships from hitting Hawaii, then the loss will be painful, but worth it. On the other hand, if Hawaii is ever abandoned by civilians and mostly abandoned by the military as being untenable in the long run, if Mo is still there and a battle group is spotted incoming, then retreating might be the better choice.

Another thing to remember. If an Iowa is sunk, that makes them eligible to eventually return as a shipgirl. That doesn't mean that you would use them foolishly, but it also means that you shouldn't be hyper-protective of them and never use them. We might never see another Iowa in the fic, but the in-world characters can't know that.
 
Farmerbob1 said:
There is a tipping point for preserving military hardware. Just like any other military asset, you have to weigh the value of the ship against the value of what the ship is protecting.

If Mo goes down while keeping a landing force backed by two Abyssal battleships from hitting Hawaii, then the loss will be painful, but worth it. On the other hand, if Hawaii is ever abandoned by civilians and mostly abandoned by the military as being untenable in the long run, if Mo is still there and a battle group is spotted incoming, then retreating might be the better choice.

Another thing to remember. If an Iowa is sunk, that makes them eligible to eventually return as a shipgirl. That doesn't mean that you would use them foolishly, but it also means that you shouldn't be hyper-protective of them and never use them. We might never see another Iowa in the fic, but the in-world characters can't know that.
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One other minor thing to consider. The convoy that Maya and Sendai died to defend was headed to Pearl Harbor. This means that the ships and shipgirls stationed at Pearl will know exactly what happened from the survivors and want payback.

Likewise, it's probable that the Task Group Sink The Bismark will be stationed out of Pearl so if Abyssmark decided to make an attack there, she could wind up not just facing Mighty Mo, but Jersey and potentially Musashi as well. All of whom would certainly be out for blood. Something tells me that Abyssmark would not do that much better against Musashi as opposed to fighting Jersey or Mo. Come to think of it, Jersey meeting Mo would be pretty touching since it has been a while since the sisters have seen each other.
 
konnigvanmessen said:
ClF3​. It ignites literally everything. So much so that the Nazis decided it was too dangerous to use. To quote Hank Green, "It's even more dangerous than Flourine gas, which anyone with a degree in chemistry will tell you is not a sentence that you get to say very often."
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I suspect it was more a case of not having anywhere near enough shells to be useful, more than them deciding it was too dangerous to use. Hell, they actually tested some ClF3​ shells on mock-ups of the Maginot Line fortifications. It was due to the results of those tests that they started building a facility to mass produce it.

The Falkenhagen industrial complex wasn't small, either, at ~32 square kilometers. They wanted to be pumping out 90 tonnes of ClF3​ a month, plus some sarin. If it weren't for the fact that making ClF3​ is a copper-plated bitch, putting it into artillery shells is likely worse, and trying to do all of that on a mass-production level is suicidal, they would have used it in combat. Luckily, they only managed 30-50 tonnes, over the course of seven years, at 100+ German Reichsmark per kilo. Though that's still a ludicrous amount of ClF3​, it's too little, and too expensive, to really consider distributing for use. I think they were saving it for a special ocassion, personally.
 
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Sir_Gaea said:
Finally, the deal breaker, Radar. Missouri can find and start straddling (while performing evasive actions) the Abyssal Nazis before they realized that there was a fight going on.
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Depends on what version of Tirpitz we are dealing with. Late war Tirpitz had a pretty good radar. I am not sure but I think it was even capable of semi blindfire (I think the elevation was automated but not the bearing). So not even knowing that a fight is going on is a bit much. Had not the germans the best passive radars too so even if they did not pick up MO herself they would know if someone is using radar.
 
Sir_Gaea said:
[EDIT] Also, due to the leveling affect, the remaining 5"/38s that remain on Missouri were the best DP guns in WW2. Which means, if the author lets the leveling affect go both ways, means that Missouri can deal with what aircraft the Nazis might have.
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Wasn't there also mention of Mo getting a complete retcon by her museum staff? (i.e. they showed up one day and she was in mint condition somehow) This means BOFORS folks, ... LOTS of BOFORS. Aircraft? What aircraft *evil cackles intensify*
 
Even more unfortunately for the other team, Texas can face Tier IV carriers. But that's its own tangent.
 
Some of the later Battleships were launched with significant AA batteries because of lessons learned early in the war. The older ones, however, had to be added to in the sense of find a flat space, add a gun.

 
owlmessenger said:
Wasn't there also mention of Mo getting a complete retcon by her museum staff? (i.e. they showed up one day and she was in mint condition somehow) This means BOFORS folks, ... LOTS of BOFORS. Aircraft? What aircraft *evil cackles intensify*
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I went back and read that section and (just my interpretation) it seemed more like they were expecting her to be in rusty museum ship condition, but found her in proper condition for coming out of mothballs, as though the museum crew had taken exceptional care of her, and the museum crew couldn't explain it.

I could be wrong. It could be they showed up and she was in her full late war configuration, loaded and armed, and ready to receive Imperial Japan's surrender. Similar to how Texas self-summoned as miraculously fully operational.

Either way, her against the princess twins would be an interesting showdown...
 
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