I can't remember if the USS Zumwalt has made an appearance, but a quick search doesn't seem to bring up any belbat hits. Her long range land attack projectiles would probably make even Jersey's eyes bug out. 50 meter accuracy at 100 nautical miles. I could see all the destroyer girls wanting to poke and prod at her hull and see her in action. Even the cruiser girls might want to pay her some attention, as size creep in the navy has led to Zumwalt class ships massing 14000 tons.

I think USS Zumwalt would compare favorably with even the best abyssal destroyers, and will be almost as hard to see with radar. Her return is supposed to be about the size of a small fishing boat.

Oh, and she is (or was) commanded by James A. Kirk, which should make any of the shipgirls that were around in the late 1960's or beyond prick up their ears.

USS Zumwalt herself was only commissioned in our world on October 2016, but in the world of BelBat, she might have been fast-tracked.
 
I can't remember if the USS Zumwalt has made an appearance, but a quick search doesn't seem to bring up any belbat hits. Her long range land attack projectiles would probably make even Jersey's eyes bug out. 50 meter accuracy at 100 nautical miles. I could see all the destroyer girls wanting to poke and prod at her hull and see her in action. Even the cruiser girls might want to pay her some attention, as size creep in the navy has led to Zumwalt class ships massing 14000 tons.

I think USS Zumwalt would compare favorably with even the best abyssal destroyers, and will be almost as hard to see with radar. Her return is supposed to be about the size of a small fishing boat.

Oh, and she is (or was) commanded by James A. Kirk, which should make any of the shipgirls that were around in the late 1960's or beyond prick up their ears.

USS Zumwalt herself was only commissioned in our world on October 2016, but in the world of BelBat, she might have been fast-tracked.
The war started on summer 2014. The real Zummie had barely even been christened by then.
 
Probably not. After the Theodore Roosevelt the Navy has pretty much gone all presidential names for carriers, with Enterprise and Stennis being the exceptions. And it remains to be seen just how many of those GRF's the country can afford in the first place.
 
Too late. She's already at the breaker's. But perhaps one of the GRFs will get the name.
Probably not. After the Theodore Roosevelt the Navy has pretty much gone all presidential names for carriers, with Enterprise and Stennis being the exceptions. And it remains to be seen just how many of those GRF's the country can afford in the first place.
More likely one of the America class I would think.
 
Probably not. After the Theodore Roosevelt the Navy has pretty much gone all presidential names for carriers, with Enterprise and Stennis being the exceptions. And it remains to be seen just how many of those GRF's the country can afford in the first place.

Modern supercarriers are named for presidents, exempting legacy names.

But I don't think Saratoga is a big enough legacy name to be used over a President, unfortunately.

I think there are plans to use either her island or Enterprise's as a memorial being rolled around. Can't remember off the top of my head.
 
All ship names are political now:

-Presidents and Navy-friendly fairy god senators.
-Cities and states with important votes
-Whoever the latest vote- and headline-grabbing figurehead is.
-Navy names that can't be "accidently" overlooked (Rickover, Entreprise).
 
CVN-81 Yorktown
CVN-82 Hornet
CVN-83 Lexington
CVN-84 Saratoga
CVN-85 Forrestal
CVN-86 Ranger
CVN-87 Midway


That's the way id like it to be, anyway.
 
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CVN-81 Yorktown
CVN-82 Hornet
CVN-83 Lexington
CVN-84 Saratoga
CVN-85 Forrestal
CVN-86 Ranger
CVN-87 Midway


That's the way id like it to be, anyway.

I'd replace Forrestal with Guadalcanal, personally. Or maybe Eastern Solomons.

But yeah. I'd rather the Navy stuck to legacy names, generally. The history of those names deserves proper honors, dammit.

'Sides, DDs are supposed to be named after people. Not capital ships.
 
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"Fish don't vote!"

Edit: That's actually the justification for the shift, per Rickover starting it with the 688 class.
 
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I'd replace Forrestal with Guadalcanal, personally. Or maybe Eastern Solomons.

But yeah. I'd rather the Navy stuck to legacy names, generally. The history of those names deserves proper honors, dammit.

'Sides, DDs are supposed to be named after people. Not capital ships.
It's mostly to score brownie points I think so that future Presidents will continue to give money so that they will get one named after them. That said? I sort of imagine that suddenly with Abyssals that legacy names come back in vogue. Partially because the public sees ships coming back to protect them, so why not honour them?
 
Finally, I have just found this on SV. I was following this story on FFN with an account with the same picture that I have.. I'm sure you know this, obssessdnuker, and thanks for posting the latest chapter in FFN.
 
Which is why the USN (overall) is significantly undergunned at the moment. Modern supercarrier fleet escort ships might do decently against Abyssals, but the actual carriers were sitting ducks.
Modern supercarriers aren't any more vulnerable to Abyssals than their WWII counterparts, except for lacking heavy AA armament to fire in direct defense of the ship- but then, they have good escorts for that. In a carrier-to-carrier battle between the US's steel-hull fleet and Abyssals, with equal numbers of flattops on both sides, I'd bet on the US. But the numbers weren't equal, and the US at the start of the war had no good counter to Abyssal cruisers or battlecruisers.

I'd imagine that a modern USN carrier battle group would be able to hammer an Abyssal fleet about as well as one of its World War II carriers could have. But that's the key word: one WWII carrier.

Historically, the US's heavy carrier strike fleets consisted of multiple large carriers. The First Air Fleet had six large carriers. The US at Midway had three. One carrier of that era didn't have the muscle to decisively win a battle against a heavy enemy fleet, even with every advantage. It'd get some shots in, and if its captain kept the range open it could get quite a lot of shots in. But there were limits.

And for the US starting the Abyssal War, the excessive reliance on things like radar that just plain aren't going to work very well against Abyssals would be a serious handicap. It would have taken time to realize they were playing by World War II rules, and to remember what those rules were... and time was in short supply.

Then, once surviving Abyssals made it in close (particularly at night, with the radar and other forms of detection the modern navy relies on being so badly nerfed)... The escorts would have a much harder time fending off Abyssal cruisers and destroyers that made it past the carrier's airstrikes.

I suspect that the US's early carrier losses were suffered to Abyssal cruisers, submarines, or possibly fleet carriers of their own. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they took a fair amount of tonnage with them, but... we only keep three carriers at sea in the world at any given time. That's it.

I can't remember if the USS Zumwalt has made an appearance, but a quick search doesn't seem to bring up any belbat hits. Her long range land attack projectiles would probably make even Jersey's eyes bug out. 50 meter accuracy at 100 nautical miles. I could see all the destroyer girls wanting to poke and prod at her hull and see her in action. Even the cruiser girls might want to pay her some attention, as size creep in the navy has led to Zumwalt class ships massing 14000 tons.
I'd bet on her punching like a heavily refitted Treaty cruiser. 8" gun armament, minimal to no armor for intense surface combat. Really good antiaircraft capability.

And sure, the stealth is great, but only matters against the handful of Abyssals that even use surface-to-surface radar.

"Fish don't vote!"
Edit: That's actually the justification for the shift, per Rickover starting it with the 688 class.
To be fair, with heavy surface combatants dropping out of the line of battle, it makes sense to change things around a bit. Having the ballistic missile submarines named for states, and the attack subs named for cities, lets us continue the perfectly honorable USN tradition of naming ships for states and cities.

I do agree, though, that naming carriers for presidents is a bad practice. Especially since the policy is increasingly mutating into "every president gets a carrier," rather than focusing on presidents who somehow stand out from the crowd. It was one thing to name a carrier for Abraham Lincoln. It's another matter entirely to name one for Gerald R. Ford- and heck, I kind of like Ford.

At this rate it's only a matter of time before they name a carrier after Richard Nixon or something.
 
Now because Jimmy Carter was a submariner, it allowed the Navy to do a no brainer and name a sub for him. But the naming of carriers is a bit of a game in Congress and there are lists of Presidents Not Allowed to get a carrier named after them. The only reason Ronald Reagan got named was because the Republicans horse-traded a CVN to be named the Harry Truman. But yeah, Richard Nixon was one of the names on the No Bueno list. But, eh, that's politics for you.
 
Now because Jimmy Carter was a submariner, it allowed the Navy to do a no brainer and name a sub for him. But the naming of carriers is a bit of a game in Congress and there are lists of Presidents Not Allowed to get a carrier named after them. The only reason Ronald Reagan got named was because the Republicans horse-traded a CVN to be named the Harry Truman. But yeah, Richard Nixon was one of the names on the No Bueno list. But, eh, that's politics for you.
wait Reagan was on the PNG list but W the first wasn't...
 
We already have have seen that a museum ship like Texas was able to come back more or less on her own. It makes me wonder about what the fate of U-505 in this story is and whether other museum ships will make an appearance, possible with their ship girl selves.
 
We already have have seen that a museum ship like Texas was able to come back more or less on her own. It makes me wonder about what the fate of U-505 in this story is and whether other museum ships will make an appearance, possible with their ship girl selves.


Texas was a special exception. Japanese beliefs are that objects gain sentience once they are 100 years old.
 
Which as said, means that we're pretty limited to stuff like Warrior, Constitution, Olympia, and Mikasa for ships that could still come back. One of those is currently encased in concrete so I wouldn't expect Mikasa to pull a Texas anytime soon.

And would you want to take any of those into battle with Abyssals? Since this isn't a story where the relative spiritual weight of the ship makes them more powerful?
 
Texas was a special exception. Japanese beliefs are that objects gain sentience once they are 100 years old.
Thank you for the clarification. Though I still wonder what's happened to the steel hull of U-505 in this story. I would imagine that the US would've dug it out of the underground room it's housed in at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago and probably outfit the sub with some modern tech. Though whether the sub still remains afloat or if it was sunk is where I draw a blank. For all I know, U-505 could still be at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry in this story. Though I find that unlikely given that the US would've likely reactivated and use any relevant ships in the nation after the Navy began losing ships in the early part of the war.
Which now makes me wonder just how many steel hull subs the US navy has left in this story.
 
But why would you use U-505 when you have perfectly serviceable attack submarines of your own?

And more importantly, do we know for sure that the alterations done to U-505 hasn't made her unseaworthy?
 
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