Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
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Medium tanks are more like fast battleships. The older models I mentioned, are more like the Dreadnoughts.
Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]
- Thread starter theJMPer
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Old Iron
Admiral Unfun
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This is the only path. XD
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- Mid-Atlantic
I would like to say some positive words about how TheJMPer handled the immediate consequences of the Musashi-Jersey fling.
So I do think Jersey very much deserved, at least, a chewing-out from someone high on the totem pole. And official notice that she's going to have to start showing conduct more becoming of anelephant lady officer. If she can, great. If she can't, she's going to need to be kept on base, heavily chaperoned, and never allowed out without a minder or two.
But that's not the full ramifications of this incident getting wiped out.
Odds are, neither Admiral Williams nor Crowning is going to 'pretend it never happened.' That's been made clear, without us having to spend like eight chapters just dealing with the consequences of this one thing, which would drag out until it stopped being any fun.
But Musashi's punishment hits harder than you might think.
Naka having to pre-approve everything she does is going to greatly limit Musashi's activities. It's going to effectively eliminate them if Naka isn't available to handle censorship duties. I suspect Naka and Musashi won't always be in the same place, and Goto isn't going to take the time to review Musashi's would-be internet posting activity himself except in an emergency.
Plus, this punishment is going to remind her, every time she has to go to Naka to approve her random Facebook comment or whatever, of just how big a mistake she made.
Does it leave her weeping and moaning on the floor in miserable agony like some posters would like? No. But it's going to be a real consequence for her. It's the kind of thing that is subtle, but can actually have a larger effect on people than a vicious and deeply injurious punishment. Because it forces Musashi to think about what she's done, and why it's a problem, on a regular basis. And it does this without actually injuring her in a way that might lead her into an irrational resentment about how 'unfair' the punishment itself is.
I think Goto got it right, as befits a man who's supposed to be a master of shipgirl-wrangling.
Suppose they demote Jersey. They can't keep her out of battle because there's a very real danger they'd lose the war as a consequence of her not participating. And when they send her into battle, they'd still pretty much have to put her in tactical command of surface actions. Because she's their primary ship. I mean what, if it's her and the Taffies in action against the Abyssals, you're proposing to put Hoel in charge or whatever?
Punishing shipgirls the way you'd punish a human naval officer isn't going to work in a war situation like this. They're not replaceable, and military necessity means you can't really even relieve the capital-class shipgirls of command authority. Because there's no one on the scene in naval actions against the Abyss to delegate that authority to.
Whereas shaming shipgirls who do wrong seems to work surprisingly well. Because they have a deeply internalized sense of the naval command structure even if their immaturity causes them to act in such an undisciplined way. I mean, in Jersey's internal thoughts she basically uses "the CNO" in place of God.
...
And in combat they ineffectually gum things so adorably.
That goes for TOGs and so on, too. They're all so tiny and lightly armed compared to her.
Of course, Jersey keeps it under her hat.
Nagato tries to, but once in a while you see her cuddling a chibi Sherman before she hides it and glares furiously in your general direction.
"...When the fuck did landshipgirls start being a thing?"
True, but in fairness, Jersey initiated the sexual activity, and it's probable that word would have gotten out even if Musashi had been discreet. It wouldn't have gotten out as fast, but it still would have.
So I do think Jersey very much deserved, at least, a chewing-out from someone high on the totem pole. And official notice that she's going to have to start showing conduct more becoming of an
The relationship between Musashi and Jersey was ended with "let's pretend this never happened." So yeah, the sexual tension between them just got torpedoed, and rightly so, because a relationship between them would be an incredibly bad idea.
But that's not the full ramifications of this incident getting wiped out.
Odds are, neither Admiral Williams nor Crowning is going to 'pretend it never happened.' That's been made clear, without us having to spend like eight chapters just dealing with the consequences of this one thing, which would drag out until it stopped being any fun.
It is, admittedly, not literally the case that Musashi is now unable to do anything whatsoever on line. Or that she has been totally silenced. When I said that, it was an exaggeration.And speaking of [that]:
You don't know what military censorship is. It's not 'YOU CAN POST NOTHING!'. It's putting everything you want to send out in front of a human being for approval before its put up.
World of Warships does not fall under this. Musashi only loses her Twitter and Instagram posting ability if Naka rejects every single submission she tries. She can still read and browse the websites.
So I stand by what I said: No Consequence.
But Musashi's punishment hits harder than you might think.
Naka having to pre-approve everything she does is going to greatly limit Musashi's activities. It's going to effectively eliminate them if Naka isn't available to handle censorship duties. I suspect Naka and Musashi won't always be in the same place, and Goto isn't going to take the time to review Musashi's would-be internet posting activity himself except in an emergency.
Plus, this punishment is going to remind her, every time she has to go to Naka to approve her random Facebook comment or whatever, of just how big a mistake she made.
Does it leave her weeping and moaning on the floor in miserable agony like some posters would like? No. But it's going to be a real consequence for her. It's the kind of thing that is subtle, but can actually have a larger effect on people than a vicious and deeply injurious punishment. Because it forces Musashi to think about what she's done, and why it's a problem, on a regular basis. And it does this without actually injuring her in a way that might lead her into an irrational resentment about how 'unfair' the punishment itself is.
I think Goto got it right, as befits a man who's supposed to be a master of shipgirl-wrangling.
How would that matter, really? Rank doesn't really mean that much to shipgirls, in practical terms.
Suppose they demote Jersey. They can't keep her out of battle because there's a very real danger they'd lose the war as a consequence of her not participating. And when they send her into battle, they'd still pretty much have to put her in tactical command of surface actions. Because she's their primary ship. I mean what, if it's her and the Taffies in action against the Abyssals, you're proposing to put Hoel in charge or whatever?
Punishing shipgirls the way you'd punish a human naval officer isn't going to work in a war situation like this. They're not replaceable, and military necessity means you can't really even relieve the capital-class shipgirls of command authority. Because there's no one on the scene in naval actions against the Abyss to delegate that authority to.
Whereas shaming shipgirls who do wrong seems to work surprisingly well. Because they have a deeply internalized sense of the naval command structure even if their immaturity causes them to act in such an undisciplined way. I mean, in Jersey's internal thoughts she basically uses "the CNO" in place of God.
...
I bet that on some secret level, Jersey thinks WWII tanks are cute and fluffy and adorable like little puppies.
And in combat they ineffectually gum things so adorably.
That goes for TOGs and so on, too. They're all so tiny and lightly armed compared to her.
Of course, Jersey keeps it under her hat.
Nagato tries to, but once in a while you see her cuddling a chibi Sherman before she hides it and glares furiously in your general direction.
[Jersey looks at Bolo]
"...When the fuck did landshipgirls start being a thing?"
PAGDTenno
Verified Warmind. Probably on fire.
- Location
- South Carolina
Imagine her reaction to a Mark XXXIII. Nearly her size, and capable of independent spaceflight.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
"...Landspaceshipgirls. Did someone put LSD in the fuel oil?"
- Location
- Pacific NW
Did Colorado decide to top off the hash oil in her bunkers with magic mushrooms?
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
- Location
- In here, not out there.
That's pretty much the answer I was looking for, thanks.
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- People's Republik of Kalifornia
Nah, she'd still match better to DNE, aka Field Test Denny
PAGDTenno
Verified Warmind. Probably on fire.
- Location
- South Carolina
I dunno. I think she'd match better to MK XXVIII LAZ.
Gearhead
Who, me?
I agree.
You can't really treat them like conventional soldiers, they TECHNICALLY volunteered by the fact that they allowed themselves to be called back, but unless some natural born Shipgirls start showing up soon, you can't really hold them to conventional standards save making damn sure that they understand where the line is before they become comfortable with going over it all the time.
Musashi and Jersey both have pride in spades. Jersey's has already done a number on her. Musashi's own pride will be taken down several pegs through exposure to Naka.
(If Naka is an especially clever person, and there's no indication she's a dummy, she could take this as an opportunity to teach Musashi a thing or three about PR.)
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Hm. Jersey and Bolos...
Jersey: "You have... one faerie? Wow, that sucks. You must be lonely. Here, have fifty more!"
Bolo: "AAAACK SYSTEM OVERLOAD!"
Jersey: "You have... one faerie? Wow, that sucks. You must be lonely. Here, have fifty more!"
Bolo: "AAAACK SYSTEM OVERLOAD!"
Spectre
eternal servant to the Fire/EMS gods
- Location
- NY
Or line her room with lead or a similar signal blocking material... better safe then sorry.
- Location
- Malaysia
There is heavy amount of YMMV here, having grown up in a less than privileged environment most of my life, i have learnt that all the cool new stuff/possessions/things in the world doesn't matter in the end. In the end, it is all up to you. Yes Mushi represents the pinnacle of IJN BB design, but in the end she had no impact in the war and her overall war record is of no consequence. I couldn't care less about how big Mushi's guns are and all that, it's how she uses them to maximum effect, which as well all know IRL, essentially amounted to nothing. Which makes her conceit and arrogance all the more worthless, furthermore, the one time she went to battle has inflated her conceit and arrogance even more. Not only is this annoying, in the field of battle, it can lead to disaster.
Also, in my school last time, Alpha types were used to regard boisterous fools who had ability, a.k.a a a loud dog barking with no bite to it. YMMV on my part.
As my granduncle, a soldier once said, "one engagement does not determine your true capabilities, nor does it say anything about yourself, it simply is an indicator of things that MAY come to pass, which may not be accurate in the end". If anything, this engagement inflated Mushi's head even more. As i mentioned above, not only is this incredibly annoying and does little to make a person like the character, it is an incredibly dangerous set of beliefs for a soldier to have.
Indeed i shall, i hate characters who are arrogant and conceited to the point they think they are God's number 1 gift to the world. Heck i remember hating Gilgamesh in the Nasuverse series and disliking Weiss in RWBY. Of course, the main difference between Gilgamesh and Musashi is that the former is THE HERO. The man who ruled the world and is so far above others that you could easily think of him as a god. Whose feats earned him immortality and fame throughout the ages. Hence his arrogance, while galaxy sized and disgusting, is well deserved. Weiss on the other hand underwent huge amounts of character development, by Vol 3, Weiss had become a nice girl, the exact opposite of her personification in Vol 1.
Mushi on the other hand?, well here weak track record and arrogantly boasting despite just one battle (her arrogance actually notched up after this) does little to her as a character and person.
To be honest, there is some logic to this. Shipgirls are the spec ops equivalent of ships, doing things that conventional ships can't do. Spec ops in general get more leeway in terms of what they can or cannot do. That being said, i think Jersey and Mushi got of a bit to lightly here, they should have been handed punishments that were severe enough to let them know that screwing up like this one more time could lead to both of them scrubbing toilets. However that being said, judging by Admiral Williams dialogue, if Jersey ever does something like this again, it's toilet cleaning duty for her.
It's more than that i'm afraid, the entire scene can be interpreted as Musashi and Jersey deciding to ignore the entire debacle and pretend it never existed. In other words they learnt absolutely nothing. What's more, if there is a complaint i have about BelaBatt (excluding Omakes like Old Iron's A Certain Lady series), it is that, IMHO, the character development just isn't there/ isn't consistent/wonky. Jersey and Mushi have barely changed at all, and continue to be jerks (Jersey) or being conceited (Musashi), most of the shipgirls seem to be static. There are exceptions, Shinano being the obvious one, hence her being my favourite shipgirl in the series.
Now, does all of this mean i'm trying to backseat author or i'm ranting because i didn't get what i want?..Nope, not at all. I apologise to all involved if this is how my post came out. I assure you that this is none of the above. I'm just concerned, and i'm voicing them out in the only way i know how.
Farmerbob1
Rest in Peace
- Location
- Atlanta-ish
2. UPDATETANKGIRL JERSEYKNIGHT'S STEEL QUEST ALREADY!
This begs to question: What anime characters would shipgirls want to cosplay? I am getting this strange image of Shimakaze as Tank Girl.
Quite a few comments about Bolos here. I wrote a Kancolle x Dinochrome brigade crossover, titled: Not Gonna Happen. People seemed to like it
PAGDTenno
Verified Warmind. Probably on fire.
- Location
- South Carolina
They didn't agree to ignore the entire incident, they agreed to pretend the whole " I wanna/tried to fuck you" thing didn't happen, to try to avoid making things too awkward, because they're going to have to work together in the future. Perfect solution? Nope. In character for both of them, and not the disaster waiting to happen some people seem to actively want it to be? Absolutely.
She had no impact because she was a battleship built in the age of the carrier, and the Japanese didn't have the AA guns, directors, and VT fuzes to make her a flak barge like the USN BBs. As I believe was pointed out at the very beginning of this story, the Japanese 25mm AA mounts failed to live up to their already modest promises. While the IJN compensated to some degree by simply mounting an enormous number on capital ships (The Kongous had over a hundred. Each. Musashi has more.), the fact is that IJN ship didn't have the AA to match the overall combat effectiveness of the USN ships.
As a result, when Musashi and the rest of the Center Force came under air attack, she was fighting the worst possible fight for her. She took an estimated nineteen Mark 13 torpedos and seventeen bombs.
However, thanks to the Abyssals, the air threat isn't as severe anymore. It's the Age of the Gun once again, and Musashi has both the biggest guns, and the ability to effectively employ them. She may not have the combat experience of the Kongous, Nagato, or Mutsu, but she knows all the theory perfectly, and has, so far, applied it well.
It doesn't do anything to make her arrogance any less grating, but I have to admit she's earned some of it.
As to the personalities thing, perception is everything. Right or wrong, Musashi believes she is the greatest warship afloat. Ergo, alpha-type personality.
EDIT: I'm not trying to tear you down here, I'm trying to assuange your concerns as best I can.
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Stahor
BookWorm
- Location
- Russia, Moscow
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- Mid-Atlantic
You're certainly approaching this whole question with a remarkably unbiased mindset...
If she's fought in two battles and done well in two battles, and that proves nothing... exactly how many battles would she have to participate in to prove herself in your eyes as useful from a military perspective? Four? Eight? Twelve?
In which case mission accomplished for Admiral Williams, because Jersey knows exactly what you just said you want her to know, right?
As for Goto, he really does not have anyone capable of replacing Musashi.
He can't fire Musashi. He can't summon a replacement. Breaking her morale is likely to damage her as a military asset, and she's an important military asset. Japan is in enough danger from the Abyssals that Musashi could well make the difference between winning and losing the entire war, because she's the only fast, heavily armored battleship they have at the moment.
How do you punish a ship captain who is physically inseparable from her ship? There are pretty sharp limits on how much you can do without losing the utility of the ship.
Which is why, in case you did not notice, Goto did the sort of thing that good leaders often do. He picked an effective, yet restrained, method of making sure Musashi couldn't make the same mistake again. His chosen method inconveniences Musashi regularly, drawing the nature of her offense to her attention regularly. But at the same time, it is not so onerous that it is liable to make her resentful of her own command structure. His words to her were not threats (how can he threaten an indispensable military asset?) They are aimed at her sense of shame, in an attempt to elicit a resolve to do better. The sort of thing that can motivate a person through pride and self-respect, rather than through the fear of punishment (which is a lousy motivator).
He did all this in a way that doesn't hurt Musashi's combat-readiness, and that allows her to continue to believe in herself as a fighting asset- because her self-confidence is actually related to her fighting success, as illustrated by her willingness to take hits on her armor against the panzerschiffs in order to maintain a good firing solution that would in turn allow her to sink them.
In other words, Goto just did a damn good job of punishing Musashi and motivating her to do better, subject to the constraints of Japan's strategic situation and Musashi's nature as 'the indispensable woman.'
And it looks to me like you didn't even notice this going on because you were so busy rooting for Musashi to be reduced into a weeping abject pile of misery.
The key words there are "CAN BE interpreted." That interpretation is one you decided on, based on your own attitudes and existing prejudices. TheJMPer is not responsible for your decision to deliberately interpret his characters' words in the most unfavorable possible light. And your judgment of the work based on that interpretation says a lot more about you than it does about the work.
Your entire stance appears to be based on an intense loathing of some of the series' main characters, one which does not seem to bear any particular relationship to what they do or do not accomplish, or how they do or do not feel.
If you hate it that much, why are you even still reading, let alone repetitively complaining about how you choose to interpret a particular scene?
Would it be better if people underwent major personality changes without corresponding major experiences? Rapid 'character development' that is not driven by character experience isn't a good thing. It just makes the character look schizophrenic because their personality is changing rapidly for no obvious reason.
Instead, we see people experiencing major things, with the potential to cause change. And you're chewing out the author for not having the characters change instantaneously, before there is even time for that potential to be realized.
I accept your apology, but if you're sounding this way to me and to others so consistently, I think you need to seriously reconsider the attitudes that are leading you to talk this way about things.
HolyDragoon
Call Gespenst!
- Location
- Portugal
Meh, needs more Hyuuga.
(Seriously, of all the ARP MMs, she's the one that cracks me up the most.)
(Seriously, of all the ARP MMs, she's the one that cracks me up the most.)
- Location
- Malaysia
Perhaps, like i mentioned, the entire incident "can be viewed in different ways." Either through mine or through yours, in the end, there is no real right or wrong answer regarding it.
A fair point, but then again, the USN BB's, despite being superseded by the carrier (i mean planes can strike at BB's long before BB gets a shot at a carrier, and no amount of AA will stop a strike getting through) still gave a damn good account of themselves.The Iowa's in particular outlasted the Yamato class in way that is poetic, serving their nation till the 90's.
Theory can only carry you so far. As my granduncle once said :
"A soldier truly becomes a veteran after facing hundreds of battles, not 1 battle, or 2 or 3 or a dozen, hundreds. And those that boast about their so-called combat record after just a handful of battles are arrogant ***** who either think it's a game or that they are God's number 1 soldier in the world."
I should elaborate on this, my family is very much a military family, the Indian side of my family served in the military as long as they could remember, first as Sepoys and soldiers under British colonial rule, then as part of the nascent Indian Army. The Malaysian side of my family had fought against the Japanese as part of the resistance against them, my grandfather had his head removed for this, and then against the communists in the Malayan Emergency. It's not that my hate for Musashi is baseless, it's the fact that she is conceited, arrogant and boasts about her relatively minimal accomplishments that grates in my nerves as it goes against everything i was thought.
This is YMMV territory, leads agree to disagree.
Well thanks.
If this is sarcasm, i assure that it is not necessary, you can tell me my faults to my face, i won't mind, it was how i was brought up. Alternatively, if you're not joking, thank you for the compliment, and please accept my apology. ( The main problem with internet, you can't read people through a screen XD)
I can only give you the same answer i gave @PAGDTenno :
Theory can only carry you so far. As my granduncle once said :
"A soldier truly becomes a veteran after facing hundreds of battles, not 1 battle, or 2 or 3 or a dozen, hundreds. And those that boast about their so-called combat record after just a handful of battles are arrogant ***** who either think it's a game or that they are God's number 1 soldier in the world."
I should elaborate on this, my family is very much a military family, the Indian side of my family served in the military as long as they could remember, first as Sepoys and soldiers under British colonial rule, then as part of the nascent Indian Army. The Malaysian side of my family had fought against the Japanese as part of the resistance against them, my grandfather had his head removed for this, and then against the communists in the Malayan Emergency. It's not that my hate for Musashi is baseless, it's the fact that she is conceited, arrogant and boasts about her relatively minimal accomplishments that grates in my nerves as it goes against everything i was thought.
This is how i was molded in my life. This is how i grew up in.
Maybe, i certainly would like to think so, though given Jersey's nature i.e her poor emotional control, she MAY do something again, with an emphasis on "may".
For now at least.
I didn't realise Musashi is an "ultimate gamebreaker of a weapon", which can, somehow make or break the entire war, as though all the other summoned shipgirls are nothing more than bystanders. Because that's what it sounds like.
Also, i didn't realise that Musashi is the only fast, heavily armored battleship they have at the moment. I mean, the Kongou's aren't battleships right?, or Jersey, her direct rival, is nothing more than figment of public imagination. Seriously man, Musashi is important as a symbol, and i do admit she did well in those 2 battles (or was it 1 ?, eh no matter.), but to make it sound like she is the LYNCHPIN for the entire conflict is a bit much right?....or the fact that she is somehow the only fast, heavily armored BB they have?.
You make it sound as though i want Goto to lynch Musashi, that's not the case, if anything i want Musashi's arrogance and conceit to bite her in the ass, no more no less...that's her fault if such a thing happens.
Also, as for Musashi's punishment, i have my doubts as to it's effectiveness, but well, we'll see if it's effective, won't we?. Quite frankly, my experience with conceited and arrogant people tell me that she find another way to gain attention. I could be wrong, but right now i'm trusting my experience.
Now then, since when did i blame the author for anything??. That's what it sounds like, with the whole " TheJMPer is not responsible for your decision to deliberately interpret his characters' words in the most unfavorable possible light" thing....or better yet, i didn't realise an alternate interpretation of these characters is wrong, negative it may be, but is an alternative interpretation nonetheless....and more importantly, i didn't realise my own experiences count as prejudices and is therefore BAD.....that's something new.
I never force my opinions on a characters "characterisation" on others. In other words, even if someone believes that Musashi is Jesus Christ incarnate i wouldn't force my opinions on him or force him to change. I would debate furiously with him, ask him why he thinks that etc etc. But in the end his opinions are his own.
Also, i don't go criticising other people judgement on a story, some people find Ambience : A Fleet Symphony fun, by all means whatever floats your boat. I don't see why you should insinuate that my judgement is bad simply because my experience and how i live made me who i am.
Yes, somehow my comments on two characters and how they acted suddenly showed that i HATE THE ENTIRE STORY....right.
BelaBatt is a couple of hundred chapters in, so forgive me if i want to see some changes on the main character, especially since she's exposed to some pretty heavy stuff, if i demanded changes 50 chapters into the story, then you have the right to chew me out.
Lets just drop this whole thing, i'm damn tired, and all this debating and view point clashes and hostilities does nothing good in the end. Lets just agree to disagree.....as for those attitudes that you despise, i will not change them, would you give up the experiences that made you?...those experiences that thought you things in life?
I would change the way i talk, i mean, i'm to blunt and my English needs improving, and new experiences would change how i feel about certain things, but simply discarding my experiences, not likely unless i have good reason to do so or because new experiences override my older ones.
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Riiight.
Okay.
(Speaking as someone who actually defended a fellow officer against the frat regs)
In the Army (and per my uncle, at least in the 90's, though I don't THINK any of this has changed significantly, 'spc given it's -wartime-, The Navy)
Jersey's 'referral' to JAG would be basically anti frat regs and conduct unbecoming.
I'll say this. No JAG officer in the 90's would have taken it and ran with it.
Period. Dot.
First: Remember, Military justice isn't just the letter of the law, good of the service comes to play. But, that's immaterial.
What are frat regulations in primus?
To prevent both in peacetime and in wartime the following two things.
1: an couple abandoning their mission/duty for their significant other.
2: prevent favoritism.
That's pretty much it.
So, Did Jersey break the frat rules?
To answer that, we would need the following information:
1. Who writes her OER's (Williams, more than likely)
2. Her current status of TDY and current acting superior officer.
3. Musashi's info as above.
if Jersey's and Musashi's OERs are written by separate people, that separates out the 'same assigned chain of command' which, in primary, is the big one (assigned to the same unit. NOT on TDY or operating in the command authority area of another CO who the other person belongs to).
Was Jersey _Musashi's_ commanding officer at the time of the contact?
(Don't think so, btw)
Musashi is an officer, so that removes the other one.
So, if Williams writes Jersey's OER, and Gato (Or Nagato), writes Sashi's, and by in text indications, they're not in the same unit OR in the same fleet anymore, Jersey is just in Gato's AOR, while Musashi belongs to Gato's command
Unless assigned together AT THAT MOMENT for a mission? Nope. No regs were broken.
Even if the ad hoc task force wasn't dissolved (as it should have been), it's _still really really grey_. Anti Frat regs are aimed to prevent adultery and serious relationships, not one night stands.
Without the frat, there's no conduct unbecoming (officially), _with what the charge would be related_.
'Sashi, OTOH? Shades _yes_. Posting about your sex life on twitter is a no no for officers in the USA (and USN), and I'm pretty sure the SDF as well has the same policy for _officers_.
However. There's a point her. Williams and Gato were WAITING for this. Or something similar. They know the girls at BEST are 80's mindset (Iowas and maybe the Midways if they show up) all the way down to WW2, combined with by and large, almost ALL of them, basically "teenager" mindsets, with very little thinking about 'oh, hai, we're able to get tossed in the stockade'. We've seen this. Mostly from the USN's crop, but it's clear that the Japanese girls have their own... ah, issues. Gato has it a bit EASIER here, since the 40's mindset for his girls was far more repressive than the current Japanese, but Williams has the reverse problem.
So, yes. They were waiting for this moment, just about. Not this specific moment, but one that would allow them to drop a hammer, and remind the girls "Hey, now, y'all might want to read the regs and ask around about the lines, 'casue you're all able to go to prison now, y'hear?"
Williams also has the problem of Wash/Gale
I cannot, cannot tell you how much Williams is being intentionally blind. Gale _knows_ better, to him, and Wash should. What they're doing is _the big one of the anti frat regs_.
That one, Williams is praying that the ball pen hammer he hit Jersey with, _gets to Gale and Wash_ to remind them of the _really_ serious trouble they're right at.
Okay.
(Speaking as someone who actually defended a fellow officer against the frat regs)
In the Army (and per my uncle, at least in the 90's, though I don't THINK any of this has changed significantly, 'spc given it's -wartime-, The Navy)
Jersey's 'referral' to JAG would be basically anti frat regs and conduct unbecoming.
I'll say this. No JAG officer in the 90's would have taken it and ran with it.
Period. Dot.
First: Remember, Military justice isn't just the letter of the law, good of the service comes to play. But, that's immaterial.
What are frat regulations in primus?
To prevent both in peacetime and in wartime the following two things.
1: an couple abandoning their mission/duty for their significant other.
2: prevent favoritism.
That's pretty much it.
So, Did Jersey break the frat rules?
To answer that, we would need the following information:
1. Who writes her OER's (Williams, more than likely)
2. Her current status of TDY and current acting superior officer.
3. Musashi's info as above.
if Jersey's and Musashi's OERs are written by separate people, that separates out the 'same assigned chain of command' which, in primary, is the big one (assigned to the same unit. NOT on TDY or operating in the command authority area of another CO who the other person belongs to).
Was Jersey _Musashi's_ commanding officer at the time of the contact?
(Don't think so, btw)
Musashi is an officer, so that removes the other one.
So, if Williams writes Jersey's OER, and Gato (Or Nagato), writes Sashi's, and by in text indications, they're not in the same unit OR in the same fleet anymore, Jersey is just in Gato's AOR, while Musashi belongs to Gato's command
Unless assigned together AT THAT MOMENT for a mission? Nope. No regs were broken.
Even if the ad hoc task force wasn't dissolved (as it should have been), it's _still really really grey_. Anti Frat regs are aimed to prevent adultery and serious relationships, not one night stands.
Without the frat, there's no conduct unbecoming (officially), _with what the charge would be related_.
'Sashi, OTOH? Shades _yes_. Posting about your sex life on twitter is a no no for officers in the USA (and USN), and I'm pretty sure the SDF as well has the same policy for _officers_.
However. There's a point her. Williams and Gato were WAITING for this. Or something similar. They know the girls at BEST are 80's mindset (Iowas and maybe the Midways if they show up) all the way down to WW2, combined with by and large, almost ALL of them, basically "teenager" mindsets, with very little thinking about 'oh, hai, we're able to get tossed in the stockade'. We've seen this. Mostly from the USN's crop, but it's clear that the Japanese girls have their own... ah, issues. Gato has it a bit EASIER here, since the 40's mindset for his girls was far more repressive than the current Japanese, but Williams has the reverse problem.
So, yes. They were waiting for this moment, just about. Not this specific moment, but one that would allow them to drop a hammer, and remind the girls "Hey, now, y'all might want to read the regs and ask around about the lines, 'casue you're all able to go to prison now, y'hear?"
Williams also has the problem of Wash/Gale
I cannot, cannot tell you how much Williams is being intentionally blind. Gale _knows_ better, to him, and Wash should. What they're doing is _the big one of the anti frat regs_.
That one, Williams is praying that the ball pen hammer he hit Jersey with, _gets to Gale and Wash_ to remind them of the _really_ serious trouble they're right at.
Just wanting to chime in here for a moment. You are half-right. Dess and her sisters are fast, yes, but with just 8 or so inches of belt armor they are not heavily armored for BBs.
You may have a point, but at the same time, you do not want a miserable, low-morale Fast BB on your roster. Which is something that may happen if you forcibly tear apart the two at this point.
They're either subject to the USMCJ, or they're not. Choose. that's why they were given a position with rank involved.. Officers and enlisted ah... having a relationship is an pretty much INSTANT crash and burn, period. No ifs, ands or buts about it. That one isn't played around with.
Okay then. Heartbroken Wash it is, I suppose.