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Space Penguin said:
My god, these excuses you guys make for her are wtf. So Jersey is no longer jersey but a meat puppet controlled by some inner force.
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Those weren't excuses. Those were reasons. Nothing makes what Jersey did right, or good. I'm just saying that at this point in time I think that Jersey can be forgiven. If jersey continues to sex up Mushi (as a previous poster suggested, I think it was you but can't quite remember) I personally think that that couldn't or shouldn't be forgiven
 
Space Penguin said:
My god, these excuses you guys make for her are wtf. So Jersey is no longer jersey but a meat puppet controlled by some inner force.
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Why yes. It's the inner force you see in all fictional characters. Video games, movies, TV shows, fanfic, all forms of story telling have people with more than one-dimensional writing move to this one little thing: characterization.
That, and psychology, but one thing at a time.
 
Viper5delta said:
Those weren't excuses. Those were reasons. Nothing makes what Jersey did right, or good. I'm just saying that at this point in time I think that Jersey can be forgiven. If jersey continues to sex up Mushi (as a previous poster suggested, I think it was you but can't quite remember) I personally think that that couldn't or shouldn't be forgiven
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*shrug*

To me Jersey if not controlled by the author by virtue of being the author of her story, may end up fucking Musashi anyway even if Wisconsin did not die. She lusts for Musashi greatly. hell, does she feel the lust she feel towards Musashi in anyway towards Crowing? She approached Musashi and said she was hungry for sex.

Thats why I don't take these reasons as anything to seriously consider.

Viper5delta said:
Those weren't excuses. Those were reasons. Nothing makes what Jersey did right, or good. I'm just saying that at this point in time I think that Jersey can be forgiven. If jersey continues to sex up Mushi (as a previous poster suggested, I think it was you but can't quite remember) I personally think that that couldn't or shouldn't be forgiven
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That was me musing really based on Jersey's being sexually frustrated, enjoying the sex and Crowing being so far away.

Tons of people fall with less then that.

Always Late said:
Why yes. It's the inner force you see in all fictional characters. Video games, movies, TV shows, fanfic, all forms of story telling have people with more than one-dimensional writing move to this one little thing: characterization.
That, and psychology, but one thing at a time.
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So, offended again?
 
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Space Penguin said:
*shrug*

To me Jersey if not controlled by the author by virtue of being the author of her story, may end up fucking Musashi anyway even if Wisconsin did not die. She lusts for Musashi greatly. hell, does she feel the lust she feel towards Musashi in anyway towards Crowing? She approached Musashi and said she was hungry for sex.

Thats why I don't take these reasons as anything to seriously consider.
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And I guess that's where our opinions differ. I'm of the opinion that under normal circumstances Jersey would have kept it in her pants, just as many people do when they have lust on one side and love on the other.
 
To people who are particularly upset by, and/or inclined to dwell on how 'rotten' Jersey's actions are or how this is too big a thing for Crowning to forgive or whatever...

If this position is coming from some place that's personal for you, you have my sincere sympathies. I can imagine that for a lot of people, infidelity raises issues and pushes buttons associated with their past.

But if so, I suspect that continuing to dwell on these fictional events in a fictional story may not be doing one any favors, if they are enough to make one upset and inclined to argue strongly in favor of how bad the fictional characters are. Or to dwell on hypothetical negative reactions others might have to those characters.
 
People make mistakes.

There are at least, greater sins than giving someone an orgasm.

Still, this is going to cause problems, I imagine...
 
Simon_Jester said:
To people who are particularly upset by, and/or inclined to dwell on how 'rotten' Jersey's actions are or how this is too big a thing for Crowning to forgive or whatever...
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At least let the forgiveness be realistic and not a shitty comedy act. Where Crowing out of nowhere says he doesn't care and congratulates her. if he showed tendencies before that he likes open relationships or his girl screwing around on him. Then fine, bring in the part where Crowing cheers jersey on.

I personally don't want forgiveness. It makes this arc have actual impact and a learning experience for all.

If this position is coming from some place that's personal for you, you have my sincere sympathies. I can imagine that for a lot of people, infidelity raises issues and pushes buttons associated with their past.
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Virgin and no relationships whatsoever. Reading up shit online has depressed me to hell about love and relationships.

But if so, I suspect that continuing to dwell on these fictional events in a fictional story may not be doing one any favors, if they are enough to make one upset and inclined to argue strongly in favor of how bad the fictional characters are. Or to dwell on hypothetical negative reactions others might have to those characters.
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OP or dear author is probably watching all these arguments with relish and eating popcorn while doing so.
 
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Space Penguin said:
At least let the forgiveness be realistic and not a shitty comedy act. Where Crowing out of nowhere says he doesn't care and congratulates her. if he showed tendencies before that he likes open relationships or his girl screwing around on him. Then fine, bring in the part where Crowing cheers jersey on.

I personally don't want forgiveness. It makes this arc have actual impact and a learning experience for all.
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Oh I don't think anyone wants a quick and easy fix to this. There will be tears, on all sides. There will be depression, all on sides. But. I think that in the end, both Jersey and Crowning will come out of this stronger than they went in. (admitedly coming from a most likely naive and romanticized outlook)
 
Space Penguin said:
At least let the forgiveness be realistic and not a shitty comedy act. Where Crowing out of nowhere says he doesn't care and congratulates her. if he showed tendencies before that he likes open relationships or his girl screwing around on him. Then fine, bring in the part where Crowing cheers jersey on.

I personally don't want forgiveness. It makes this arc have actual impact and a learning experience for all.

Virgin and no relationships whatsoever. Reading up shit online has depressed me to hell about love and relationships.

OP or dear author is probably watching all these arguments with relish and eating popcorn while doing so.
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Then I repeat my advice.

You are under no obligation to provide entertainment for others by feeling bad about something someone else made up. At a certain point it is best to simply withdraw from a discussion of an issue that strikes too close to the heart.

It's unlikely to be a good thing for you; I've watched it happen to other people in real life and it wasn't good for them either.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Then I repeat my advice.

You are under no obligation to provide entertainment for others by feeling bad about something someone else made up. At a certain point it is best to simply withdraw from a discussion of an issue that strikes too close to the heart.

It's unlikely to be a good thing for you; I've watched it happen to other people in real life and it wasn't good for them either.
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Sure, you are right but I'm not mad or anything. Read my posts. I was even musing on Jersey going full on affair.
 
Eh, anger is not the only feeling that can be a 'bad' feeling that emerges from having one's buttons pushed.

"This would be unforgivable" or "people should hate each other over this" and things like that... that's all negative emotions. It's not happy feelings. And most people I've met don't urgently need more negative emotional baggage badly enough to go shopping for it.

And looking at the tenor of this discussion over the past many pages, we do have people who seem to be picking up negative vibes out of all this. You're not the only person I'm thinking of, and I'm really not trying to make this about any one person.

But I think that this discussion DOES have the potential to be just plain bad for people who are bothered by it, or depressed by it, in ways that tie into their own personal feelings about infidelity. Maybe not even feelings that come from someone cheating on them personally, but nonetheless theirs.
 
Hell folks, the most wretched hive of scum and villainy is the Internet, not a certain famous movie cantina. Media in general is pretty much a toxic soup and swimming in it too long has negative effects on a person. The quickest way to start feeling better about life, people, etc, is to unplug from the electronics and just sit in a park and chill, watch clouds and let the mind go blank.

Now in the story, Jersey's big problem is that she internalizes problems so her headspace is filled with noise. Repress stuff too much and you get explosions. So far Kongo has sort of been the monk/sage to try and get Jersey to achieve the Dess state. Right now, Jersey just interprets Kongo's solutions as stick a scone in it without getting into the deeper meaning. I think that Kongo is going to have to go serious Dess on Jersey to get her to listen to what Kongo is trying to convey to her.
 
Space Penguin said:
At least let the forgiveness be realistic and not a shitty comedy act. Where Crowing out of nowhere says he doesn't care and congratulates her. if he showed tendencies before that he likes open relationships or his girl screwing around on him. Then fine, bring in the part where Crowing cheers jersey on.
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I only do shitty comedy acts when I mean to do comedy. C'mon, guys, we had this same song and dance after Wiskey died, then when I spilled it to Jersey much tears were had. Relax, trust in planefriendjmpr.
Space Penguin said:
OP or dear author is probably watching all these arguments with relish and eating popcorn while doing so.
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Why would I put relish on my popcorn. That's disgusting, yo.
 
MagisterAurelius said:
Now in the story, Jersey's big problem is that she internalizes problems so her headspace is filled with noise. Repress stuff too much and you get explosions. So far Kongo has sort of been the monk/sage to try and get Jersey to achieve the Dess state. Right now, Jersey just interprets Kongo's solutions as stick a scone in it without getting into the deeper meaning. I think that Kongo is going to have to go serious Dess on Jersey to get her to listen to what Kongo is trying to convey to her.
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Truly, to one who has achieved dess, all things are possible, except inactivity, which Jersey isn't that into anyway.
 
MagisterAurelius said:
Now in the story, Jersey's big problem is that she internalizes problems so her headspace is filled with noise. Repress stuff too much and you get explosions. So far Kongo has sort of been the monk/sage to try and get Jersey to achieve the Dess state. Right now, Jersey just interprets Kongo's solutions as stick a scone in it without getting into the deeper meaning. I think that Kongo is going to have to go serious Dess on Jersey to get her to listen to what Kongo is trying to convey to her.
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I disagree. I'd say her biggest problem her inability to accept that anything that happens could possibly not be her fault. She has this need to put everyone "behind" her, so to speak, just because she's one of the four best BBs ever built, and Abyssal Spooky Bullshit has made battleships the queens of the sea.

Look at what happened to Heermann and her response. She's in a completely different TG, all the way across the battle zone, and she convinces herself that Heermann's injuries are her fault, because she didn't somehow teleport across the battlefield to put herself between Heermann and the enemy fire. Or something.

So because she has to put everything on her shoulders, she's really beyond the limits of the stress any reasoning being should be trying to handle, and it causes other problems.

For instance, the fact that she can't accept that she's human, and thus, capable of making mistakes comes directly from her conviction that everything rests on her.
 
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PAGDTenno said:
I disagree. I'd say it's her inability to accept that anything that happens could possibly not be her fault. She has this need to put everyone "behind" her, so to speak,
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Ironically enough, Crowing himself said this about her.

just because she's one of the four best BBs ever built, and Abyssal Spooky Bullshit has made battleships the queens of the sea.
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Once again, the BB retake the throne you mean.
 
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