...I really needed to have done more research on Command and Conquer as a setting. There is a goddamn CANON technology that will completely pacify Tiberium, sitting in Kanes ugly bald noggin. A literal Tiberium Control Network.

And yet we still have people in thread acting like we need to evacuate.
Because knowledge of that technology is entirely unknown to anyone in GDI, and a lot of us like to make decisions without incorporating metaknowledge, yes. Also, the knowledge of how to build the TCN is not exactly in Kane's noggin. (Well, much of it may be now...)
 
I work at an Amazon sorting facility. People can't manage this part of the time. Figuring out how to get automaton to successfully do it a majority of the time? WITCHCRAFT.

Amazon doesn't care about its employees or the quality of their work let alone their life. If you've ever seen a group of friends play something like Overcooked you can see how much of a well oiled machine people can be.

The problem is if workers are well oiled machine in the warehouse they can be a well oiled machine in a union as well. In other words Amazon's union-busting is screwing with the quality of work they get out of their workers.

What we need for more YZ Inhibitors is YZ MARVs.

Securing the Yellow Zones? That's centered on the areas of Earth that our MARVs have been reclaiming from tiberium over the past decade or so, places that were once Red Zones but are now Yellow Zones that technically aren't under GDI control until it rolls out the civilian infrastructure to actually enforce its claim beyond brute military force and landships. We can increase the number and size of those areas... if we have more MARVs eating the Red Zones and converting Red into Yellow.

Regardless, those are areas that most likely provide more Red Zone Inhibitors.

We already have Inhibitors in the spaces that are ex-Red Zones because we built them as Red Zone Inhibitors. What we need to do is get the Yellow Zone Inhibitors we can build:

-[ ] Yellow Zone 10 (Progress 0/100: 30 resources per die) (+2 Yellow Zone Abatement)
-[ ] Yellow Zone 11 (Progress 0/100: 30 resources per die) (+2 Yellow Zone Abatement)

so we have some extra amount of Red Zone Underground Mitigation.
 
And yet we still have people in thread acting like we need to evacuate.
Shrug.

Better to have the ability to evacuate and not need it than to need to evacuate and be unable to.

Besides, we are going to need to do something about that Jupiter base at some point. At least narratively. The quest will end before that I think. More space tech is always going to be useful in the future.
 
...I really needed to have done more research on Command and Conquer as a setting. There is a goddamn CANON technology that will completely pacify Tiberium, sitting in Kanes ugly bald noggin. A literal Tiberium Control Network.

And yet we still have people in thread acting like we need to evacuate.
Building up space population and the ability to evacuate en masse gets us a better position for the eventual TCN negotiations.

We've already more or less maxed out the military negotiations advantage iirc. We need to push space and tib related stuff to gain a better hand at the table so that we can negotiate for the best agreement we can.

So we will be focusing hard on space stuff regardless.
 
Because knowledge of that technology is entirely unknown to anyone in GDI,
I disagree with this.
It isn't unreasonable to conclude that the way the Visitors were able to alter Tiberium's behaviour strongly implies that it is theoretically possible to create a control box for it.
We already know of a few different ways of manipulating it based on their own technology.
We have developed our own methods for processing it into other materials.
Then we have the abilities of the Forgotten with their own ways of manipulating it.
The stuff has 'programmed matter' written all over it as well.
We would have had scientists theorising about the holy grail of controlling Tiberium for decades, and the Threshold Towers are a rather big hint about what it might look like.
 
The difference between a GDI TCN theorized by GDI scientists is that we don't even have all the tech research options for much less fielded and one that could be actually implemented is something like 2-3 decades from now. That is 1-2 decades more then we have.
 
We are building a lot of space stuff because people wanted it and also are very concerned still, and also because the fact we have only very very recently reintroduced the hardiest of tree and mosses into a select few areas is a very telling statement of the the environment the people with the best living standards on Earth have.
 
Is that the sound of Kane forcing his subordinates play poker with him again?
Yahtzee. He's making them play Yahtzee. Either that or Shadowrun or some tabletop miniatures wargame that uses a pile of the same dice type.

Amazon doesn't care about its employees or the quality of their work let alone their life.
While I generally agree with you, they care about a minimum quality of work from employees... especially when it involves safety/injuries. Pallet building fuck ups are more likely to fall into that category, particularly when it comes to unloading them from trucks. But in general, yeah, management doesn't seem to care too much as long as the shift's numbers are met and it doesn't cause corporate to direct its gaze (or presence) at their facility.

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Re: Evacuation vs Reclamation

I'm in the camp that Plan A is eliminating Tiberium and reclaiming the planet. But I'm on board with space expansion, because you never know when we might suddenly need a Plan B for humanity's survival.
 
We should throw our guys hat into the electing ring shouldn't we?

I'd rather he endorse Seob Youngjae. Seob is charismatic and is showing why bringing back the ecosystem is a good thing, as shown by his speech here:

"Launching into the first steps of a proper, planetary scale reforestation effort has been a massive project. In many places the soil has degraded so severely that even key minerals had to be reintroduced to the lithosphere before lichen and mosses could be established. But much progress has been made in a single year, wetlands stabilizing, vast fields of grass and reeds wave across what used to be sun blasted and wind blown wastes, shrubberies finding purchase and shelter in these pleasantly verdant seas, plants herbaceous and not have offered a wide selection of smells to those that live close enough.

"But now comes the work that was all a precursor for. Tree nurseries across GDI territory have been growing native trees for the past year and a half, ready to be planted. It is a small number, relative to the size of the task at hand, but even at its most ambitious this project was never intended to fully reclaim the Earth on its own, a mere precursor for what was meant to come. Politics has cut the legs off from what was meant to follow, an ever growing dread is strangling it in the crib as report after report comes in explaining just how extensive the Tiberium contamination is below ground. But GDI will not yield.

"When the Third Tiberium War ended, the Granger administration made a promise that humanity would reclaim its beautiful marble of blue from the crystal. GDI will not yield. First we secured what lands we had, and GDI will not yield. Then we reclaimed what the crystal had stolen in the war, and GDI will not yield. Now we drive our offensives into places lost to Tiberium in our parents' and grandparents' time, and GDI will not yield. It rests beneath our feet, we have known this for a long time, but now we know where to find it, we will shout and cry and the very earth shall tremble and shake as the crystal shatters at the sound of our voice, GDI will not yield.
On the surface we will plant our yearling trees, their roots will dig deep, their crowns will cast a shade and we will rest our backs against the trunks. We will return life to murdered places, reclaim what was lost as we drive out the crystal.

"Humanity shall not yield."

-Seob Youngjae, Reclamation Party

This is a person I want to be the next head of GDI, making people push for taking back the planet and making it better able for humans to live on it again.
 
I'd rather he endorse Seob Youngjae. Seob is charismatic and is showing why bringing back the ecosystem is a good thing, as shown by his speech here:



This is a person I want to be the next head of GDI, making people push for taking back the planet and making it better able for humans to live on it again.

Unfortunately he is not an option as a candidate at this point.
 
If we aren't going to run for it then I'm fine with Harrison Carter.

Militarist and Starbound seems like a good thing to base plans around, if we were still doing plans anyway.

We aren't going to stop pushing into space and we need to deploy a whole new air force, army, and navy. So he seems to line up with that perfectly.

And we aren't going to stop pushing everything we can to help the civilian side of things anyway.
 
I would worry that he would want to restrict the military even further right when we need to do major sets of deployments and refits.

The big issue I see, in addition to not abandoning the Earth to green rock, is that our economy is going down the crapper due to automation, and we're going to need someone used to making sure people are housed, fed, medicated, etc for when the economy really excrements in the bed due to automating everything and making vast amounts of people unemployed with little options for employment because even more careers are going to be automated again.
 
Another Xenotech refinery will give us +50 RpT. One phase of that should cover for if the tax income stops rising.
If Tax revenue increase cuts off right now, then Xenotech won't cover all the RpT needed for Plan Goals.

Might be worth it to also resume RZ harvesting? Or RZ Border offense, if it becomes available (judging by Containment Lines results, it might)?
Should cover our Abatement Goal as well.
 
What we need for more YZ Inhibitors is YZ MARVs.

Securing the Yellow Zones? That's centered on the areas of Earth that our MARVs have been reclaiming from tiberium over the past decade or so, places that were once Red Zones but are now Yellow Zones that technically aren't under GDI control until it rolls out the civilian infrastructure to actually enforce its claim beyond brute military force and landships. We can increase the number and size of those areas... if we have more MARVs eating the Red Zones and converting Red into Yellow.

Regardless, those are areas that most likely provide more Red Zone Inhibitors.
We no longer have the option to build YZ MARVs.
 
The big issue I see, in addition to not abandoning the Earth to green rock, is that our economy is going down the crapper due to automation, and we're going to need someone used to making sure people are housed, fed, medicated, etc for when the economy really excrements in the bed due to automating everything and making vast amounts of people unemployed with little options for employment because even more careers are going to be automated again.
Automation is very much not what's fucking our economy up. If anything it's a solution (in the long term at least) to the actual issue which is having nowhere near enough people who can work. Our working population is small and shrinking due to age
 
No. It was pretty explicit that people were losing jobs due to automation and were having problems moving to different jobs due to not being qualified.

Labor wise, the welfare rolls have been going up for the first time in over a year, and many of them are people who are going to need significant retraining to do the jobs that are still available, given the anticipated trajectory of Initiative automation drives.
 
Automation is very much not what's fucking our economy up. If anything it's a solution (in the long term at least) to the actual issue which is having nowhere near enough people who can work. Our working population is small and shrinking due to age
life extension tech up to and including cybernetics could slow down the decline, releasing excess cap goods to the market instead of storing them could see automation efforts increase along with state funded programs for retraining freed up manpower to further mitigate the issue and lastly getting Aldrin Luner city to max out would give people the spark of hope needed so that they are confidant in having kids again
 
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Yes, but that's likely to be more of a temporary issue due to people needing retraining. The actual thing causing our economy to take a nosedive is labour shortages
The large surge of automation is noteworthy and is causing social and probably some economic disruption. It's definitely not the cause of the private sectors issues though.

They've got 18 cap goods per turn to work with plus whatever scraps they can produce themselves and have been hiring every yellow zoner right out of retraining for years. A glut of experienced pre-trained workers is exactly what they need to ease the effects of the long running labour shortage and lack of capital goods to compensate with.

The issues the private sector faces are in the update: labour shortage, war, and the fear any investments they make will be made irrelevant by everyone evacuating to space.
 
We no longer have the option to build YZ MARVs.

Which I noted in my previous post in that conversation, yes. And the complications that result from that.

No. It was pretty explicit that people were losing jobs due to automation and were having problems moving to different jobs due to not being qualified.

You realize that with GDI's declining population those jobs would be left unfilled eventually if it wasn't handed over to machinery, right?

GDI is in a massive labour crunch and it's not going to get any better unless we somehow manage to either loot millions more of workforce from Nod (and Nod will object violently), our people start notably bigger families (our birth rate is notably below replacement rate on average, even if some sections of GDI society are not) and that would require some solution to the whole tiberium problem and have a two decade lead time while also draining our manpower availability to raise the children, or we massively exploit our Cap Goods supply to automate as much of our economy as we can so we can do the same amount of work with fewer hours worked in total.
 
What should really scare you about the private sector contracting is this:
Consumer Goods: +56 (+10 per turn from Private Industry) (+3 per turn from sub-departments) (-15 from realignment) (Net -2 per turn)
Without that +10 per turn our consumer goods and Standard of Living increase would utterly collapse in just about a year. We simply don't have the projects, the light industry dice, or the free labor, to quickly make good that +10 per turn consumer goods.
 
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