No? That would require a complexity of strike missions more advanced than 1960's standard. ASAT is not a magical effort, and the ionosphere provides massive cover for a theoretical strike from EMP effect alone. Also, why would it require engaging the ASAT network? it would just be by blinding it and in case of a larger effort the orbital stations are fairly vulnerable to effectively casseted shots of fragments in opposite orbits from anyone that has any form of space launch capacity that is not actively getting burned down, which shows by the lack interception of this strike in the lower atmosphere/acceleration phase, our network cannot burn said capacity down. This added to the lack of decoys in the heads they fired or the ability for rapid maneuvering due to trajectory. Decoy saturation alone would have greatly increased leakage rate as there would be 4-5 decoys for every warhead, effectively ensuring that defensive networks could be over-saturated massively increasing penetration rate. My point is more that with this strike they were not trying that hard to kill us, this was a limited counterforce strike not inherently strategic, and was using primarily tactical systems. Nothing in this represents well, the total capability of NOD/allies and is more of a spoiling strike showing that they are willing to do far worse if pushed hard enough.
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I'm not at all sure that any of this stuff ever really broke up out of the stratosphere, at least of the stuff that actually landed on GDI bases.
To clarify what missiles were used overall:
They used cruise missiles, SRBMs, and some IRBMs shooting some very depressed trajectories. Nothing close to an all up ICBM.
So, yes. A few missiles may have got above 50km and so into the mesosphere, but likely only barely.

And yes. Anything Nod tries to launch through the mesophere that GDI can detect, gets burned down. (Which means anything which doesn't have a GDI IFF.) We also spent over a thousand Progress on Orbital Cleanup, with the result that by Q2 2062, "the near-Earth orbitals are cleaner than they have been since before the Apollo program". I personally wouldn't be surprised if our ASAT command stations were getting defensive upgrades including energy shields, as well. And the assertion that the network cannot burn down space launches because it did not go after missiles which did not reach its engagement envelope does not make sense to me. Also, the assertion that there were no decoys employed seems unsupported.

Overall, yes, this was a moderately limited counterforce strike, but the assertions that specific technologies/tactics would massively change the outcome are not supported.
Also, a lot of the strike packages weren't actually launched by al-Isfahani. He may not even have known about them, except perhaps for vague "you are not forgotten" language from the relevant warlords. So the targeting priorities probably reflect a wide range of different warlords' attitude and philosophies.
We don't actually know this.
 
We don't actually know this.
You mean, "we don't actually know al-Isfahani wasn't responsible for all the nuclear attacks?"

I think we do know that because some of the Nod viewpoint characters launching the attacks, as I recall, are thinking specifically about how GDI thinks they can knock over al-Isfahani without consequence and how they need to show GDI that the other warlords still have his back.

I could be confused, I admit.
 

Specifically, this should be the part of the update that Simon is referencing, if I'm not mistaken(and if i am please tell me so)

Yet the letter addressing her by name had been flawless in its logic.

GDI had broken the truce, they had been warned of the consequences in the wake of the Regency War, and now they sought 'one last victory' with the 'blessing' of several warlords who had contested with Al-Isfahani and given their tacit approval. But despite the approval of the Bannerjees, Yao, and even Bintang, others within the Brotherhood didn't agree. They might not even like the Atomic Shah. And yet, a line in the sand had been drawn, one that GDI had willingly breached. Perhaps they thought their defense network would protect them against the Iranian warlord. Perhaps it even would. Yet a reminder was in order, that he was not the only remaining nuclear power, much less greater weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, biological, and chemical. GDI had removed dozens of lesser warlords in the Regency War. Still, other warlords yet remained and they could not, would not, stand idly by while their own were picked off one by one.

GDI had been warned. And more than that, they could not be allowed to strengthen themselves at the cost of the Brotherhood. A rebalancing of the scales was in order Even if it came with a heavy price.
 
What made me mad about the update is that the suicide bomber and the other nods still call gdi imperialist and other stuff that doesn't fit the new gdi at all, like come up with something new and actually fitting but it sounds they will not and what to pretend that things have not changed and their not getting ass kicked, which just makes me want to put them into a half filled metal tank of pickle juice as punishment for laziness and incentive to finally use there brain for rightful insults!! .... Oh and guess for there multiple crimes in multiple categories as well but that seems like the less important issue here don't you agree guys?
 
What made me mad about the update is that the suicide bomber and the other nods still call gdi imperialist and other stuff that doesn't fit the new gdi at all, like come up with something new and actually fitting but it sounds they will not and what to pretend that things have not changed and their not getting ass kicked, which just makes me want to put them into a half filled metal tank of pickle juice as punishment for laziness and incentive to finally use there brain for rightful insults!! .... Oh and guess for there multiple crimes in multiple categories as well but that seems like the less important issue here don't you agree guys?

Historically GDI has been imperialist... GDI is in fact also engaging in Imperialism right now through their attack on Al-Isfahani.

Imperialism: Noun; a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.
 
Historically GDI has been imperialist... GDI is in fact also engaging in Imperialism right now through their attack on Al-Isfahani.

Imperialism: Noun; a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.
if we could get a corridor for the Himalayas in a non violent way we would but we can't and this guy is a antagonistic Warlord that has threatened multiple times to use nukes on us in defensive and offensive war, and he is spending a lot of his resources on nuclear weapons instead of industries that can also help his people by his nickname.
 
if we could get a corridor for the Himalayas in a non violent way we would but we can't and this guy is a antagonistic Warlord that has threatened multiple times to use nukes on us in defensive and offensive war, and he is spending a lot of his resources on nuclear weapons instead of industries that can also help his people by his nickname.

This is not quite true, we did have an option for a peaceful route to the BZ18 via Bangladesh in the Pacific Conference. However we didn't think we could trust NOD to let us keep it open in the event of a war. The analogy I remember was putting BZ18's lifeline in the jaws of the Bannerjees who we had only just met and the only intel we had was they were making a bunch of genetically engineered monstrosities that had been used to attack us and a bit of ominous info from the Caravanserai. I honestly would have preferred to get Al-Isfahani diplomatically via the Caravanserai, but there wasn't a secure way to lock down the supply route to BZ18 without Karachi.
 
Given we rejected the deal with the Bannerjees, the only difference between al Isfahani and the Bannerjees for GDI's purposes would've been the expected scale of the opposition.

It would've still meant putting the lifeline for BZ-18 into the hands of what is at best a hostile actor.
 
[ ] Johannesburg Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 4)
We showed our defenses could be penetrated with relatively few assets and suffered serious losses.
Instead, we lose a myomer facility, a port, and a fusion yard. All of which are fairly easy repairable at our level.
So far we've been shown to have lost the smaller of our two macrospinners
[ ] Leopard Class Construction Yard
[ ] Governor Class Cruiser Shipyards
- [ ] Hampton Roads(Progress 252/185: 20 resources per die) (- Capital Goods, -- Energy, - Labor)
While it stings, the attacks that succeeded didn't do much damage in numeric terms.

For reference about the affected projects:

The last time the Johannesburg Macrospinner showed up in an update was Q1 2060, almost 5 game years and more than 2 real-life years ago. The last time any dice were spent on it was Q1 2057, when the PC was Granger, while plus and minus symbols were used for indicators. Monrovia was the "Leopard Class Construction Yard" project completed in Q3 2053, when an industrial collapse was still possible and more than 3 real-life years ago. Hampton Roads was last mentioned in updates in Q3 2057, as the second-to-last of the conversions into Governor shipyards.

Using the magic of the search tool, have calculated an approximate numeric damage impact:

Johannesburg was in Phase 3 when we abandoned further development in favour of the Reykjavik Macrospinner. That means its total output was about 3 Capital Goods and 1 Energy. Compare that with the completed Reykjavik, which produces 15 Capital Goods and 7 energy, meaning that the loss of the Johannesburg Macrospinner would decrease the Initiative's myomer output by at most 16%.
Monrovia might cause the loss of 1 Space dice.
Hampton Roads was a 185-point project, so the repairs should be about that much accounting for radiation cleanup.
 
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Hampton roads is probably going to be a bigger project than just fixing a cruiser shipyard. The sub didn't fire on the shipyard, it went after the port facilities we see part of in game that have probably gotten bigger, more complex, more automated, and probably more resource intensive than they were in TW3. It's also, probably pointedly and purposefully from Stahl's perspective, not going to do a damn thing to operations against the Shah. Just a reminder to GDI that they shouldn't let this go to their heads.
 
Hampton roads is probably going to be a bigger project than just fixing a cruiser shipyard. The sub didn't fire on the shipyard, it went after the port facilities we see part of in game that have probably gotten bigger, more complex, more automated, and probably more resource intensive than they were in TW3.
Complications to that analysis:

Progress requirements for a project aren't entirely/simply a measurement of the scale of a project. They're also a measure of the general complexity of getting it started, and the number of new, previously not understood things required for the project.

For instance, the Anadyr prototype isolinear chip facility cost 320 Progress, more than half as much as the entire Aberdeen foundry will for all three phases. This is despite Anadyr being a smaller-scale bespoke production facility that probably can't begin to approach Aberdeen's future overall output. Because at Aberdeen, the engineers know what they're going to be doing and how to make it work; at Anadyr, they did not.

Likewise, in the early quest the Aggregate Plants project was 200 Progress. That was for a global network, in all Blue Zones, of factories and quarries that extract and process many, many millions of tons of stone a year. Very large scale operations, but also fairly simple on a case-by-case level.

It's hard to say where on the spectrum the Hampton Roads shipyard would be, so I hesitate to try to predict the Progress cost.

Rebuilding the Johannesburg Macrospinner might be a decent opportunity to specialize it for Fast Twitch Myomer.
I'm not sure we'll replace Johannesburg at all. This sounds like exactly the kind of thing the Distributed Industrial Authority points to and says "See? SEE? This is why we take -1 Heavy Industry die per turn and invest into little factories all over the world, instead of one big megacomplex for all of GDI that can be taken out with one big bomb!"

It may make more economic sense to build three or four smaller myomer spinners, collectively below the limit of resolution of our game engine, that have the same combined output that the Joburg plant did. We might get a Light Industry project to build them collectively, or the new plants might wind up being private sector projects.
 
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Don't we also still have the reconstruction committee or whatever it was called being funded? I'd expect they'd have some material set aside, so repairs might be faster and/or need less progress than people might be worried about
 
Don't we also still have the reconstruction committee or whatever it was called being funded? I'd expect they'd have some material set aside, so repairs might be faster and/or need less progress than people might be worried about
They almost certainly do, and they're probably better at emergency response and repair than they were four years ago, but in these cases the nukes will present challenges they may have the protocols to handle, but not the experience. Mixed bag there.
 
Don't we also still have the reconstruction committee or whatever it was called being funded? I'd expect they'd have some material set aside, so repairs might be faster and/or need less progress than people might be worried about
I suspect they're a lot better at handling widely dispersed damage scattered across a large region than at handling extreme, near-total damage concentrated around a single place. Because that's the difference between things we usually get to found a bureau for, and things we don't.
 
Also, the reconstruction bureau was very quickly being used to handle all the other little things that we the treasury are at way too high a level to manage. You know, municipal repair and replacement, other stuff like that.
 
Also, the reconstruction bureau was very quickly being used to handle all the other little things that we the treasury are at way too high a level to manage. You know, municipal repair and replacement, other stuff like that.
Yes, although that's less of a problem. Worst case, the bureau would just ask for more money to repair those two bomb craters along with their usual obligations.

Also, GDI is generally good at knowing how to prioritize, so it's a safe bet that a lot of other projects would be put on hold while the equipment and expertise was shifted to fixing that port.
 
That stuff will be fixed one way or the other, what I'm thinking right now is in the future how will gdi integrate the nod warlords that decide to not fight to the death because there is a lot to digest to say, like don't think they will accept a full stop to there cyborg, bio and tiburium research?
 
I'm not necessarily against Nod developing along their own lines of development, maybe even them having their own colonies if the greater portion of their government or civil society (that they would need to develop and probably be heavily based in whatever there is in India) can acknowledge that fighting GDI will not help them. For that to happen would take a social revolution between the end of this quest and probably the beginning of the next one with it still ongoing.

But back to the Tiberium bio and cyber/borg tech developments, I want them to continue developing those technologies so we can steal them.
 
I'm not necessarily against Nod developing along their own lines of development, maybe even them having their own colonies if the greater portion of their government or civil society (that they would need to develop and probably be heavily based in whatever there is in India) can acknowledge that fighting GDI will not help them. For that to happen would take a social revolution between the end of this quest and probably the beginning of the next one with it still ongoing.

But back to the Tiberium bio and cyber/borg tech developments, I want them to continue developing those technologies so we can steal them.
Eh don't think gdi will allow ex nod to have exclusive colonies with how we done things with the ex yellows zoners and ex nod feels like letting them continue to do most of their stuff but still be integrated into gdi society? Also don't have to worry about them stopping to research nod scientists are very committed , like look at their various achievements and it's clear that they want to do most of the time but unless Kane is helping they hit there industrial limits of what it can actually can produce quite fast.
 
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