I audibly gasped.
I believe we have a problem.
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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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So it seems like we have Northern Australia secure then. That's useful.
Of course, Bintang continues to be a major problem, but there's nothing that can really be done about her until we can get just more hulls in the water.
Of course, Bintang continues to be a major problem, but there's nothing that can really be done about her until we can get just more hulls in the water.
Ok but what can we do after getting those additional hulls? There has to be other ideas and options we can pursue to give our ships additional capabilities.
Well the chickens finally came home to roost re: the last decade's naval spending but oh well. It could have been a lot worse, she could have gotten through instead of being turned back, or pulled this same stunt on a giant troop convoy headed for Karachi instead of on Japan. Now she's taken enough of a beating to have her heavy assets out of action for the next 6-12 months, and even if we got hurt just as bad we have a greater capacity to absorb losses. Tokyo getting shelled is a bummer but this is why we allocated those reconstruction funds. More worrying than the things that actually got blown up is the implication that next time the missiles could be tipped with gas/ebolAIDSpox/nukes/Tiberium shard bombs if we push Bintang too hard. SADN is a definite priority for next FYP but I think frantically cranking out enough hulls to actually secure our waters is going to keep us busy the rest of this FYP.
Securing eastern Australia is a huge deal, in 6 months we conquered half a continent that's kind of absurd. That alone would make Steel Vanguard a success in my book, and we've made progress pretty much every where else as well, so I think 2060 is going to go down as a pretty good year for the Initiative all things considered. It hasn't been all flawless victories but we're winning big in multiple places and the losses that we're taking are manageable in comparison.
Securing eastern Australia is a huge deal, in 6 months we conquered half a continent that's kind of absurd. That alone would make Steel Vanguard a success in my book, and we've made progress pretty much every where else as well, so I think 2060 is going to go down as a pretty good year for the Initiative all things considered. It hasn't been all flawless victories but we're winning big in multiple places and the losses that we're taking are manageable in comparison.
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With that fight we might get more required naval spending. Even if we didn't outright lose we got battered and Bintang has proven she's even more trouble than we thought.
Australia is great news though. Basically an entire continent to chew through for tib and minimal Brotherhood interference.
Australia is great news though. Basically an entire continent to chew through for tib and minimal Brotherhood interference.
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I mean I guess the diverse railgun ammo would help, but I can't think of anything major other than that tech-wise. It's just a matter of getting the actual fleetpower that she can't actually fight us on relatively even ground.
So, Bintang has pulled ahead in terms of being able to do damage to GDI, possibly getting level with Stahl, but she also showed her hand on some new tricks. The proliferation of Ion Diffuser ships is painful, but not entirely unexpected. Her willingness to use tacnukes in naval engagements is likewise painful, but again not beyond the pale. And it should be noted she did not use them in the bombardment of the Blue Zone itself- she seems to be keeping to the somewhat-unspoken agreement not to escalate to that level.
Kelpies are a painful new threat, but largely because it forces our naval aviation to carry anti-armor munitions which will increase our logistics needs, and probably somewhat reduce overall effectiveness. Firehawk Wingman drones should help with that, in that they will allow for that increase in missile load. Hopefully, naval HSL emplacements in single-target mode will also be able to take them out. It does show that the Navy needs to step up its anti-sub game, definitely.
In short, Bintang is taking advantage of our failure to build more hulls, but is not really winning the tech race, I believel.
And, with the eastern half of Australia under control, if not fully secured, that will help a lot with both economic and security issues in that region.
Kelpies are a painful new threat, but largely because it forces our naval aviation to carry anti-armor munitions which will increase our logistics needs, and probably somewhat reduce overall effectiveness. Firehawk Wingman drones should help with that, in that they will allow for that increase in missile load. Hopefully, naval HSL emplacements in single-target mode will also be able to take them out. It does show that the Navy needs to step up its anti-sub game, definitely.
In short, Bintang is taking advantage of our failure to build more hulls, but is not really winning the tech race, I believel.
And, with the eastern half of Australia under control, if not fully secured, that will help a lot with both economic and security issues in that region.
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The laser projects would help. In terms of offensive capability...well those munitions projects like the EECM are good
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Well played, Madame Bit. Well played.
Time to choke the Pacific in metal.
Time to choke the Pacific in metal.
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I'm kinda relieved.
Bintang was always a big threat because of our unfortunate lack of ships we didn't address in time.
This looks like her really big push for the war and I assume her masterstroke is those new air units. Or the mobile ion cannon defense. Whichever. Bad stuff.
We got hurt. But not that badly considering how that could have gone. And she was fairly wreaked as well.
Overall, considering the state of our navy I can take a mutual bashing with them slightly winning. That could have been much worse.
And nothing but good news from Australia it seems.
Bintang was always a big threat because of our unfortunate lack of ships we didn't address in time.
This looks like her really big push for the war and I assume her masterstroke is those new air units. Or the mobile ion cannon defense. Whichever. Bad stuff.
We got hurt. But not that badly considering how that could have gone. And she was fairly wreaked as well.
Overall, considering the state of our navy I can take a mutual bashing with them slightly winning. That could have been much worse.
And nothing but good news from Australia it seems.
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Australia or at least the part that we do control(I think a small speck on the east is out of our hands) is an amazing thing. We basically have a massive glacier that we can use for a metric mountain of Tiberium mining. It's an amazing prize and will truly up the income when the next plan begins. With those two we can hit our stride much faster.
Right. Of course even if we finish up the Heavy Laser Deployment, it will still take time for that system to be deploying in sufficient numbers to deal with Bintang's munitions.
Also, even if we finished all of the shipyards, it isn't as if we'd be getting them building dozens of ships in months. Even GDI's weapon manufacturing skills can't produce ships that quickly.
If we do end up getting more ECCM capabilities, will that be additional electronics installed on our ships or give us a ship that specializes in EW?
In addition, if we get the railgun munitions upgrade, what new shell types would be given to our ships? Something like a canister shell for missile barrages or a guided round similar to the real life HVP projectile BAE Systems was making?
Also I'd vote getting guide munitions to increase our Firehawk pilots' chances of survival and effectiveness.
Also, even if we finished all of the shipyards, it isn't as if we'd be getting them building dozens of ships in months. Even GDI's weapon manufacturing skills can't produce ships that quickly.
If we do end up getting more ECCM capabilities, will that be additional electronics installed on our ships or give us a ship that specializes in EW?
In addition, if we get the railgun munitions upgrade, what new shell types would be given to our ships? Something like a canister shell for missile barrages or a guided round similar to the real life HVP projectile BAE Systems was making?
Also I'd vote getting guide munitions to increase our Firehawk pilots' chances of survival and effectiveness.
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After the plan commitments are done we need to finish Chicago.
That will open up that Australian planned city. We can start that up and turn Australia into one of the safest places on earth. Oh the irony.
That will open up that Australian planned city. We can start that up and turn Australia into one of the safest places on earth. Oh the irony.
SADN is going to be on the list next plan, at least 2 stages, and its definitely going to be done, having Super Sonic Missiles strike that far away, is horrible
Out of projects that are currently available I'd recommend AECCM and rolling out the heavy PD lasers we just developed to directly increase survivability, then continuing to roll out Wingman drones and doing the new glide munitions to support naval aviation. More long term, enough Zone Suit production will eventually help with repelling boarding gana, improved shields will show up eventually, more DEW research like lasers/particle beams will continue to get done, and more orbital support will become available as we build up Space Force.
So, That was quite the showing out of Bintang. The kelpies suck, but the ion diffuser ships are a real problem. If means we can't supplement our navy with orbital fire should a second naval war breakout., meaning heavier ships are now once again a necessity. Governer production is nice but we should see about getting other ships under construction so that IF another war breaks out, we have a fleet we can deploy. Going to need to factor that into the plans I guess.
On the bright side, she fought a relatively clean war. She could have nuked the city and didn't, from the look of things she tried to keep it on military targets as much as possible.
On the bright side, she fought a relatively clean war. She could have nuked the city and didn't, from the look of things she tried to keep it on military targets as much as possible.
Orbital laser satellites. Without those ion disruptors, Bintang's couldn't have pulled that off, and i'd bet you anything that the support ships would go pop from a killsat. Get those online, and Bintang's locked back inside the Indonesian barrier.
It might also be worth trying to rush Operation: MULLBERRY while everyone's naval forces are still wrecked.
Right.
Laser and kinetic strike says could take out the ships with Ion Disruptors and leave them open for the ASATs to take shots at.
Okay, the naval expert has new counters and more widespread use of the ion disruptors. News at 11.
Bintang got mauled, and while we lost a number of ships, it's a GDI victory. Okay, she bombed Tokyo. The only way that would've been prevented was if the fleet ignored her surface force. But doing that means she could maraud all she wanted, so that's a no go. Perhaps the AF contingent didn't get involved, and could've done some interception on the cruise missiles? But in the surface action? We nearly bagged her battleship. She decided to test our mettle and went limping back to base mauled as a result with her flagship nearly shot from under her.
This isn't a repeat of Natuna Isles, where GDI got spanked and retreated. She brought with her improved destroyers, Governor counters, and some "submersible carrier" equivs. What did all her new cards give her compared to last time? A draw at best. Were the losses and damaged ships on our side bad? Yes. But we have the industry and manpower base to replace/repair them. Can the same be said of Bintang in a reasonable time frame? Plus, we're already rolling out or about to roll out improvements in various areas to help solve some of the issues (like HSL and Firehawk drones). Not to mention that we're rolling out the escort carrier and frigates yards, which means she has a limited window to try to keep mauling us before more and more battleships and carriers get freed up to gang up on her. Given her casualties this battle, can she even take advantage of the remainder of that window?
All that said, I kinda hope that we'll be seeing a new BB development project in the near future. The current class has got to be pushing upwards of 25-30ish years at this point? Time to integrate in the advances since then. Also perhaps a heavier AAM/SAM warhead due to Kelpies (or more maneuverable missile with a tighter prox distance).
If we had gotten escort carriers and frigates out sooner, what would have changed? Might've had more carriers and/or battleships available. Maybe some frigates, depending on how far along in construction batches we were (remember, the frigates and escort carriers were planned to free up CVNs and BBs from convoy duty, so those needs would need to get met before battle groups start potentially getting any). Frigates probably couldn't have done anything about the sub tenders for the Kelpies due to the surface action going on (plus the laser point defense systems that might engage any ASROC type shots, or any ASW Hammerheads for that matter). Frigates likely would not have spotted the Tokyo strike force, since they'd likely be over with the main force, and why would they be sweeping 800km off the coastline anyhow? A few more carriers might've potentially been useful against the Kelpies, but given it'd be Orcas and Firehawks against Barghest types.... Perhaps the AShM strike from the carriers earlier might've been a bit more effective? Wingman Drones probably could've been handy against the Kelpies and during the carrier strike earlier.
The main improvement likely would've come from earlier development of the HSL and getting it deployed across the fleet. Upside, that'll be an ace in the hole for the next time Bintang decides to try the missile swarm tactic against the Navy. Railgun Munitions Development is a Ground Forces project, so there's no guarantee that Naval would've gotten anything for their big guns out of it without additional development projects (though no reason to assume that it would require more projects either, given that the branches do have overlap on R&D at times).
But here's the thing. In order for us to have gotten the carriers and frigates done earlier, what other projects would we have had to delay doing instead? How would that have affected Steel Vanguard? Also, SADN would not have helped here. Tokyo is not really a strategic area. How many phases of SADN would we have to go in order to have prevented the missile strike from landing? And what would we have to give up elsewhere within Military in order to have achieved that level of coverage?
The main improvement likely would've come from earlier development of the HSL and getting it deployed across the fleet. Upside, that'll be an ace in the hole for the next time Bintang decides to try the missile swarm tactic against the Navy. Railgun Munitions Development is a Ground Forces project, so there's no guarantee that Naval would've gotten anything for their big guns out of it without additional development projects (though no reason to assume that it would require more projects either, given that the branches do have overlap on R&D at times).
But here's the thing. In order for us to have gotten the carriers and frigates done earlier, what other projects would we have had to delay doing instead? How would that have affected Steel Vanguard? Also, SADN would not have helped here. Tokyo is not really a strategic area. How many phases of SADN would we have to go in order to have prevented the missile strike from landing? And what would we have to give up elsewhere within Military in order to have achieved that level of coverage?
Bintang got mauled, and while we lost a number of ships, it's a GDI victory. Okay, she bombed Tokyo. The only way that would've been prevented was if the fleet ignored her surface force. But doing that means she could maraud all she wanted, so that's a no go. Perhaps the AF contingent didn't get involved, and could've done some interception on the cruise missiles? But in the surface action? We nearly bagged her battleship. She decided to test our mettle and went limping back to base mauled as a result with her flagship nearly shot from under her.
This isn't a repeat of Natuna Isles, where GDI got spanked and retreated. She brought with her improved destroyers, Governor counters, and some "submersible carrier" equivs. What did all her new cards give her compared to last time? A draw at best. Were the losses and damaged ships on our side bad? Yes. But we have the industry and manpower base to replace/repair them. Can the same be said of Bintang in a reasonable time frame? Plus, we're already rolling out or about to roll out improvements in various areas to help solve some of the issues (like HSL and Firehawk drones). Not to mention that we're rolling out the escort carrier and frigates yards, which means she has a limited window to try to keep mauling us before more and more battleships and carriers get freed up to gang up on her. Given her casualties this battle, can she even take advantage of the remainder of that window?
All that said, I kinda hope that we'll be seeing a new BB development project in the near future. The current class has got to be pushing upwards of 25-30ish years at this point? Time to integrate in the advances since then. Also perhaps a heavier AAM/SAM warhead due to Kelpies (or more maneuverable missile with a tighter prox distance).
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I think we need to do this in general because our ion cannon grid has been pretty disappointing for a while. I know part of this is because of the nature of questing but every battle seems to include reasons why our ion cannons can't really contribute. Even if it means having to send out some men every once and while with replacement kinetic munitions.
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I think the biggest problem here is it'll look bad to the average GDI citizen, so I'm expecting some painful demands as far as next plan requirements (the non-optional kind)