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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles

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Byzantine said:
Whoever he was switched with is near certainly scum. I had the token last night and used it in zaealix to try to steal the talisman. I got a used firestarter.
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Ah. Yeah, okay, that'd be good to know about - revealing a Townie's item is worth identifying Scum, and it's not information that benefits Scum over Town even if the opposing Scum team would also gain by removing a rival, so fair enough. Reveal is good for Town no matter who used the Coin in question.
 
There's not much I can say but look at the day. We just started and I'm already on the block.
Seeing how scum triggered a firestarter, I'm perfect mislynch material. The only bummer for them is probably the low number of dead.
 
Tykan said:
There's not much I can say but look at the day. We just started and I'm already on the block.
Seeing how scum triggered a firestarter, I'm perfect mislynch material. The only bummer for them is probably the low number of dead.
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...explain? I don't see how you being up on the block indicates your innocence, nor do I see the connection between a Firestarter ignition and your suitability as a scapegoat.
 
Wiadi said:
...explain? I don't see how you being up on the block indicates your innocence, nor do I see the connection between a Firestarter ignition and your suitability as a scapegoat.
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Now, what do you do if a scum suspect gets saved by a Blade?
I somehow doubt scum only intended a single kill, possible but unlikely. So setting up a mislynch with even less people sounds even better for scum.
 
Tykan said:
Now, what do you do if a scum suspect gets saved by a Blade?
I somehow doubt scum only intended a single kill, possible but unlikely. So setting up a mislynch with even less people sounds even better for scum.
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If you were town, and scum wanted you lynched, they could have just not used the Blade.
 
I'm assuming scum have the blade because of the six mechanical possibilities here- town!Tykan has the blade, scum!Tykan has the blade, town!Tykan is saved by towny with blade, scum!Tykan is saved by towny with blade, town!Tykan is saved by scum, scum!Tykan is saved by scum, the only possibilities that are not either ruled out or extremely unlikely are ones in which Tykan is scum and was saved by scum, either himself or another.

Tykan has claimed staff of life, so if they had the Blade as well then they are scum. If they lied about their item choice, it would almost certainly have to involve them lying about their pick placement as well, and only scum can be sure that falsely claiming a pick spot will not result in a counterclaim. If they had not lied about pick, that likely would have opened them up to counterclaim. So if Tykan had the blade he is scum.

I don't think cancelling the lynch can be pro-town unless you have mechanic confirmation that the person up for lynch is town, and I don't see any way that any of us could have had that on a hypothetical town!Tykan. Additionally, even allowing for suboptimal play, if anyone was that bullish on Tykan being town, surely they would have said something yesterday? Nobody who didn't vote for Tykan yesterday was really defending him like a towny would have if they were willing to use the Blade. So Tykan was not saved by town.

Scum can always outperform using the Blade on a towny with using the Blade only once a teammate comes up for lynch. Until the Blade would target one of their own, any mislynch that using the Blade sets up could be accomplished by just not using the blade. Mislynches are good for scum, so they have no incentive to use the Blade until it would not be a mislynch.
 
Tykan said:
@Byzantine, why exactly did you want to steal the Talisman from the known town PR?
That's not really looking town-aligned.
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Because Zaealix doesn't actually benefit very much from it. As is it would take 4 separate attacks to kill him, or he would die immediately if he took a strongman attack. The first scum cannot afford, the second was irrelevant to my action.

All me stealing the talisman would do is reduce that to 3 lives while significantly improving my level of safety. It was greedy but I figured it would be a low-cost operation that if it went successfully I would have no reason to admit to, and if it failed I could pretend never happened or in this case try to find the scum it resulted in.

Besides I already admitted if it gets down to the scum team that can leave me alive and town I'm breaking out the popcorn. Until then I have to work with town to have a chance here. And I'll do my best at it.

In the interest of full disclosure I initially had a coin, I never used it as there was no productive switch for me, and my 3 use coin was switched for a token N2.
 
hailcapital said:
I'm assuming scum have the blade because of the six mechanical possibilities here- town!Tykan has the blade, scum!Tykan has the blade, town!Tykan is saved by towny with blade, scum!Tykan is saved by towny with blade, town!Tykan is saved by scum, scum!Tykan is saved by scum, the only possibilities that are not either ruled out or extremely unlikely are ones in which Tykan is scum and was saved by scum, either himself or another.

Tykan has claimed staff of life, so if they had the Blade as well then they are scum. If they lied about their item choice, it would almost certainly have to involve them lying about their pick placement as well, and only scum can be sure that falsely claiming a pick spot will not result in a counterclaim. If they had not lied about pick, that likely would have opened them up to counterclaim. So if Tykan had the blade he is scum.

I don't think cancelling the lynch can be pro-town unless you have mechanic confirmation that the person up for lynch is town, and I don't see any way that any of us could have had that on a hypothetical town!Tykan. Additionally, even allowing for suboptimal play, if anyone was that bullish on Tykan being town, surely they would have said something yesterday? Nobody who didn't vote for Tykan yesterday was really defending him like a towny would have if they were willing to use the Blade. So Tykan was not saved by town.

Scum can always outperform using the Blade on a towny with using the Blade only once a teammate comes up for lynch. Until the Blade would target one of their own, any mislynch that using the Blade sets up could be accomplished by just not using the blade. Mislynches are good for scum, so they have no incentive to use the Blade until it would not be a mislynch.
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Remember what Comi said? The blade doesn't end the day, it cancels the vote but isn't revealed till end of day. That means anybody who got close to the lead might have activated the blade or had it activated on their behalf if they felt at risk enough at some point. People who were leading the vote last Day phase include @Tykan (obviously), myself, @Zaealix , and yourself.

hailcapital said:
I was attacked last night but healed.
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This is troubling to me. We have two essentially confirmed through lack of counterclaim town PRs and Nictis, who even I was coming around to the towniness of. You lead the vote at one point. So why would town heal you?

Half the surviving players right now must be scum. And it might be easy to miss due to Reliable having not had much presence in the game and the feared ignition having been a squib, but town is in a bad place right now. We're underwater. Scum outnumber us. Scum tie us+the likely survivor. If they weren't divided the game would be over. If they were able to trust each other, this game would be down to them daykilling us and nightkilling each other. So we absolutely can't afford a mislynch or a nonlynch. So I think it is time to put some cards on the table, none of which were super top-secret anyway.

@Zaealix claimed and @Scia has softclaimed Knight. Can anybody contradict them? If so, protecting your role is way less important than being able to disconfirm their identities right now. If not, that's two reasonably firm town positions.

@Byzantine has claimed survivor. Can anybody at all counterclaim this? If nobody can, then Byzantine can probably be counted as a nonscum voter who we very much need alive.

Assuming that is all right, that means there is only one towny left among all the other players (it me), So unless one of those three wants to claim to have healed you, (and I sure didn't) you were healed by scum. I'm guessing your scum mate is Wiadi, no certainty about it yet, though.

Do you have a different narrative to explain this?
 
Byzantine said:
  1. @mesonoxian
  2. @Scia
  3. @Byzantine Survivor
  4. @Wiadi
  5. @Happerry
  6. @Tykan Scum
  7. @hailcapital
  8. @Zaealix Town
Oh, Meso just made this very easy. Zaealix is a Knight. The other Knight needs to claim, as I did not notice the soft claim and don't trust Meso is town.

Happerry has a high probability of being town. If Meso is correct and Scia is soft-claiming knight that solves the game, as everyone else is scum.
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How can you be sure Z is telling the truth when you found a firestarter on him?

Also, are you willing to tell us your species? I'm guessing Dwarf.
 
mesonoxian said:
How can you be sure Z is telling the truth when you found a firestarter on him?

Also, are you willing to tell us your species? I'm guessing Dwarf.
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Too many coins in play and Z was a strong coin target. Also I'm of the opinion that if he manages to get away with that through today the game is over against town anyway.

No, I'm not going to say. I'm being protected in large part by the wine right now, and I revealed my item.
 
Let's see, everyone that has claimed human specifically can probably be eliminated from knight contention.

Meso isn't a Knight by virtue of not trying to claim it now.
 
Byzantine said:
Too many coins in play and Z was a strong coin target. Also I'm of the opinion that if he manages to get away with that through today the game is over against town anyway.

No, I'm not going to say. I'm being protected in large part by the wine right now, and I revealed my item.
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That's fair. Would it be fair enough to assume you aren't an Elf or an Orc?
 
BAsically, I don't care which scum faction needs you dead, I just don't know if you have a nightkill or not and that might become very relevant in the near future
 
  1. mesonoxian
  2. Wiadi
  3. Happerry
  4. Tykan
  5. hailcapital
Tykan is out of the running by virtue of the Blade being used. No point even arguing about him at this point. My assumption is he is a Demon, as fiends failed to save Shalmoa, which would have been the wise course of action to save them then have them ignite that night.

Meso is probably a Fiend, he's been acting like that.

Happerry took a mask, which isn't necessarily towny but is the towniest of the 5 by far from my perspective.

mesonoxian said:
That's fair. Would it be fair enough to assume you aren't an Elf or an Orc?
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It would be fair to say I am not saying, though I have admitted to not being an Orc since that can be mechanically confirmed due to the D1 vote.
 
Byzantine said:
  1. mesonoxian
  2. Wiadi
  3. Happerry
  4. Tykan
  5. hailcapital
Tykan is out of the running by virtue of the Blade being used. No point even arguing about him at this point. My assumption is he is a Demon, as fiends failed to save Shalmoa, which would have been the wise course of action to save them then have them ignite that night.

Meso is probably a Fiend, he's been acting like that.

Happerry took a mask, which isn't necessarily towny but is the towniest of the 5 by far from my perspective.


It would be fair to say I am not saying, though I have admitted to not being an Orc since that can be mechanically confirmed due to the D1 vote.
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If you solve this, are you planning on voting with town?
 
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