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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%
  • Total voters
    851
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PA if it's less than Terminator Armor has no mobility problems whatsoever in 40K. And if you're pumping Extravagance to the end of it's rope, it's entirely possible to make regular suits that have the same "Deflect everything" properties that Terminator Armor does.
 
Alectai said:
It should probably something that might actually belong in 40K. Which none of these do.

For one thing, the material science is such that anything that'll cause serious structural damage to your armor is probably going to kill you outright anyway, so the aesthetic and practicality is for high mass, high enhancement suits without sacrificing anything in the way of mobility--and making them all crazy adorned is a good way to quickly assess what side the other guy is on when armored faceplates just make you a clear target for any decent sniper who can get a bead on the weak spot. Terminators being the gold standard for this because while you lose agility, you more than make up for it in how it can actually resist the kind of shit that would eradicate someone in a weaker set of armor.

Doesn't necessarily have to have PAULDRONS, but even those serve a useful purpose--they're reactive armor plates that protect your head while you're in a shooting position. You'll notice a lot of the art of Space Marines making a gunline have them postured that anything shooting in the direction of their head would probably be deflected by the pauldron first.

Human technology is super huge because that's the most effective means for them. Even the more 'Advanced' races like the Eldar though will generally only match Power Armour's protective value with their best stuff, and they've got nothing on the level of a Terminator.
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Think you are forgetting about Soroitas power armor and are focusing too much on Space Marine armor which is what usually come to mind. Also pretty sure the Tau have power armor.
 
Red Bovine said:
Think you are forgetting about Soroitas power armor and are focusing too much on Space Marine armor which is what usually come to mind. Also pretty sure the Tau have power armor.
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Tau doesn't have power armor. They have ubiquitous access to Carapace Armor that's counterbalanced by the fact Tau have a weaker constitution than humans do. The only thing they have that might be power armor are Stealthsuits, and those aren't equipped for a long term throwdown.
 
Manatee supreme said:
I dont know if we have boobs or even if we have the lady bits.
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...wut?

We're a girl. Even under-developed girls have mammary glands barring extreme body changes. Boob-plate itself is just a stupid idea thats more popular for marketing. Even if 40K materials are BS enough to still be good on something as dumb as boob-plate, it'd still be that much stronger if it actually used a good design with minimal additional costs.

As for the whole armor thing....I'm for light PA that can maximize dodge-rating, though pumped-up with enough extravagance to still be worth a damn against AOE. Frankly, its always better to dodge something if you can, than to take a hit. Space Marines don't 'quite' have the physiology and skill (or time to gain skill) to dodge as effectively as say, the Eldar. Primarchs however, do. Couple with teleportation and divination, and an untouchable 'glass-cannon' build can still be quite powerful. Not that Serras is anywhere near as fragile as glass, even then.

Another thing is why we're skilled at melee...we aren't limited to it. All the other Primarchs seem to stick to melee weapons even though only one of them has the Psyker powers to attack at range seems more than a little stupid to me, and a waste of their strategic ability.
 
always_confused said:
At the risk of sounding simple, I'm not sure I follow, could you elaborate?
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We are not human we kinda look like humans but we are not realy also we have a bunch of extra organs and it would not make sense for us to have breasts as Primarchs cant have kids and we are kinda made for war not being parent. I would think that the Emperor would have made sure that we dont have any brearts as they are pointless and a waste of space, also Primarchs have no sex drive to my knowledge and we are never realy told if they have dicks or not so maybe we dont have any reproductive organs at all.
 
...Why not drop the power armor idea(at least for ourselves - our most experienced subordinates could use it) and make a normal, light, non-restrictive armor, and then cover it in runes and crystals that embody the ideas of deflection/blocking/damage resistance, while also using sorceries, seer knowledge and psychic abilities to boost the effects until we have a constant LOLnope field around us, that only the most powerful of opponents have any hope of getting past? Or an armor covered in Psyker-amplifying crystal that turns a candle-igniting trick into a continent-blasting fire nuke, and a continent-blasting fire nuke into a portable Sector-range Exterminatus.

It'd be FAR too expensive and take WAY too much effort for it for it to ever be mass-producible, or available to anyone who isn't us(or the Emperor later on, maybe), but that's the exact kind of Primarch-made, unique, personalized bullshit gear that legends are written about, and last for 10k years.

Of course, we don't have the skills for that yet - we barely just started researching Runes and Crystals, and we have little to no Sorcerous knowledge at this time, but that will change, and the personalized equipment of a freaking PRIMARCH deserves to be absolutely TOP-GRADE. No mere power armor will ever suffice.
 
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Manatee supreme said:
We are not human we kinda look like humans but we are not realy also we have a bunch of extra organs and it would not make sense for us to have breasts as Primarchs cant have kids and we are kinda made for war not being parent. I would think that the Emperor would have made sure that we dont have any brearts as they are pointless and a waste of space, also Primarchs have no sex drive to my knowledge and we are never realy told if they have dicks or not so maybe we dont have any reproductive organs at all.
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We are. We aren't Homo Sapiens Sapiens, nor are we Homo Sapiens Imperial (or at least thats what they call 40K humans), but we are still in the same genus. I believe the common explanation is that Big E, the Primarchs, Custodes, and Space Marines are all various stages of accelerated Human development (I won't call it evolution because it isn't technically).
 
Nalanaya said:
We are. We aren't Homo Sapiens Sapiens, nor are we Homo Sapiens Imperial (or at least thats what they call 40K humans), but we are still in the same genus. I believe the common explanation is that Big E, the Primarchs, Custodes, and Space Marines are all various stages of accelerated Human development (I won't call it evolution because it isn't technically).
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Yes, but that does not meant that we have reproductive organs we might not have I dont know we will have to ask the QM.
 
Nalanaya said:
As for the whole armor thing....I'm for light PA that can maximize dodge-rating, though pumped-up with enough extravagance to still be worth a damn against AOE. Frankly, its always better to dodge something if you can, than to take a hit. Space Marines don't 'quite' have the physiology and skill (or time to gain skill) to dodge as effectively as say, the Eldar. Primarchs however, do. Couple with teleportation and divination, and an untouchable 'glass-cannon' build can still be quite powerful. Not that Serras is anywhere near as fragile as glass, even then.
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Do people actually know much about Warhmmaer beyond the basic facts? Power armor that isn't Terminator armor isn't really restrictive.

Nalanaya said:
Another thing is why we're skilled at melee...we aren't limited to it. All the other Primarchs seem to stick to melee weapons even though only one of them has the Psyker powers to attack at range seems more than a little stupid to me, and a waste of their strategic ability.
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Rule of cool in a series that is pretty much built on it. Seriously, this is a freaking Warhammer 40K quest let people have fun.
 
Manatee supreme said:
We are not human we kinda look like humans but we are not realy also we have a bunch of extra organs and it would not make sense for us to have breasts as Primarchs cant have kids and we are kinda made for war not being parent. I would think that the Emperor would have made sure that we dont have any brearts as they are pointless and a waste of space, also Primarchs have no sex drive to my knowledge and we are never realy told if they have dicks or not so maybe we dont have any reproductive organs at all.
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Wait a second... Serras wasn't actually created by the Emperor. She was spawned from the Warp when the original 20 primarchs were hurled through it. So the Emperor didn't really have much say in what Serras has or doesn't have.
 
Again, stop fucking bringing up this topic.

To get us onto something else. The reason Primarchs invariably gravitate to melee is because they can hit harder than any gun can. No more, no less. We're no exception once we develop Force Weapons.

Power Armor doesn't slow you down at all. At worst, it makes you a bigger target--but that's not an issue for us because even though Primarchs don't have a Black Carapace, they're still psychic beings and it's not actually that hard to get the same effects just by using slightly different technology in your personal gear.

So no, PA is neither restrictive nor slows you down unless you're going full out Terminator.
 
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Alectai said:
Again, stop fucking bringing up this topic.

To get us onto something else. The reason Primarchs invariably gravitate to melee is because they can hit harder than any gun can. No more, no less. We're no exception once we develop Force Weapons.

Power Armor doesn't slow you down at all. At worst, it makes you a bigger target--but that's not an issue for us because even though Primarchs don't have a Black Carapace, they're still psychic beings and it's not actually that hard to get the same effects just by using slightly different technology in your personal gear.

So no, PA is neither restrictive nor slows you down unless you're going full out Terminator.
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Alright fine. But please, for the love of all sci-fi, can we have a better looking design than traditional Astartes armor, before we start calling it mobile? Because that shit is not mobile even if the lore says it is. Same for the big Titans and what not, even though frankly they don't need flexibility as much.

Also, hopefully we'll get some spaceship pics and designs to quibble over when the fleet is complete.
 
Nalanaya said:
Alright fine. But please, for the love of all sci-fi, can we have a better looking design than traditional Astartes armor, before we start calling it mobile? Because that shit is not mobile even if the lore says it is. Same for the big Titans and what not, even though frankly they don't need flexibility as much.

Also, hopefully we'll get some spaceship pics and designs to quibble over when the fleet is complete.
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What are you talking about Astartes armor looks awsome and it has one of the most awsome looks in fiction.
 
Manatee supreme said:
What are you talking about Astartes armor looks awsome and it has one of the most awsome looks in fiction.
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For you. Personally I hate it, and I think the derivations Big E and the Primarchs use are even worse.

But eh, the other guy was right, this is mostly text based so I'll try to drop it if it doesn't keep getting thrown in my face. I would like some pics for the ship designs though. Easier to visualize and plan with.
 
Nalanaya said:
But eh, the other guy was right, this is mostly text based so I'll try to drop it if it doesn't keep getting thrown in my face. I would like some pics for the ship designs though. Easier to visualize and plan with.
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If you want visuals, make an omake, gets us ponts and, if the QM allows it, give us better looking power armor or different ships.
 
Speed53066 said:
If you want visuals, make an omake, gets us ponts and, if the QM allows it, give us better looking power armor or different ships.
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Think that would seriously annoy a lot of people if just one person can decide those kind of things. This is a freaking Warhammer 40K quest so of course people would like something like the iconic armor of the Space Marines. That's like complaining about Iron Man's iconic Armor and not wanting to make it in a quest that is about Iron Man or complaining about Kryptonians in a Superman quest or complaining about how impractical giant robots are in a Gundam quest.
 
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