- Location
- California
I hope not. Sounds deviant like MGE, or something that can be twisted to Xenophobia( including humanity).
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An Extra Primarch
- Thread starter ilbgar123
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I hope not. Sounds deviant like MGE, or something that can be twisted to Xenophobia( including humanity).
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Probably easier to invest in mundane nuclear alchemy. No need to risk it. Fusion and molecular reassemblers, it's two main sub components, we're already pretty good at.
And it would just be a hold over until ex nihilo creation anyway.
I'll have you know, despite having a name that could easily be confused with a paraphilia, xenophilia is a perfectly noble ideal that is
Xenophilia actually just means "embracing and welcoming foreign cultures", which is surely something we'd want to encourage in a panspecies empire.
- Location
- Arcadia
Hm, the Sophont Crystal compensates with breadth for lack of depth. The specific species crystals give depth.
If a pro-human bias does form, at least it will not cause major issues, but I would like to create specific crystals for the other species in the Bastion as well, to give both breadth and depth, as humans will be experiencing shortly. It would strengthen them, and thus the Bastion would be strengthened as well, helping with further integration, along with further diluting any potential bias, minor though it might be.
For the Aeldari, hm, it might be possible to narrow it down to a specific subset, such as an Asuryani Crystal to specifically denote the Craftworld Aeldari.
If a pro-human bias does form, at least it will not cause major issues, but I would like to create specific crystals for the other species in the Bastion as well, to give both breadth and depth, as humans will be experiencing shortly. It would strengthen them, and thus the Bastion would be strengthened as well, helping with further integration, along with further diluting any potential bias, minor though it might be.
For the Aeldari, hm, it might be possible to narrow it down to a specific subset, such as an Asuryani Crystal to specifically denote the Craftworld Aeldari.
- Location
- Here & There
That might be harder to get the Emperor to be okay with. Yeah we're pushing it with the Sophont Crystal but Xenophilia, we'll need to be crafty with our wording if we want that.
The DM said that the Sophont Crystal should keep the Human bias in check. As for specific crystals for different races, we might face a few barriers. The Emperor for one and making sure the races themselves are okay with having these crystals being made. We should at least, if we can get away with it, make some ceremony of it on the worlds (or whatever they reside on/in) with the peoples of those races witnessing it and be involved. It would make sense to have this be done with as little flair as possible. But something that would benefit their races this much would incite mysticism. If we're the head of those ceremonies we can control how our crystals would be perceived and cut it at the source with reason and our talking.
As for the Emperor, since we hit our soft cap of crystals, we can use this time to SL him and make him more amiable to Species Crystals.
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- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Yes we should.
also the Little omake fanon with serras, the emperor, and Magnus is hilarious, especially if Magnus gets overprotective brother that can shit out warp storms because of his newfound OP PLZ NERF powers.
also the Little omake fanon with serras, the emperor, and Magnus is hilarious, especially if Magnus gets overprotective brother that can shit out warp storms because of his newfound OP PLZ NERF powers.
SL Images (+10 to roll of your choice)
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
- Location
- Beyond
I just realized that it would be a good idea for us to have visual references of all our SLs. So, I went around the internet and got some. I'll update it as time goes on. What do you guys think?
"No."
How the Primarchs, Emps, Serras and Eldar Gods see her.
(Think of crystals instead of space and planets) How demons, The Chaos Gods, Malice, C'Tan, and Gork and Mork see her, she gonna slap their shit.
How normal humans, eldar and xenos see her.
"No."
How the Primarchs, Emps, Serras and Eldar Gods see her.
(Think of crystals instead of space and planets) How demons, The Chaos Gods, Malice, C'Tan, and Gork and Mork see her, she gonna slap their shit.
How normal humans, eldar and xenos see her.
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- Location
- France
On the matter of the xenos, I think we simply should take our time.
Let us be honest- the Bastion is still very young, and has yet to face any true crisis.
Because of that, it isn't strange to have the Emperor, as old as he is, be wary of our xenos.
HOWEVER, if we wait a decade or two, more if need be, and with the result of the Bastion fighting off the Waaaaghs coming our way, we can present hard proof of the loyalty of xenos to the Bastion to the Emperor.
Use the fact that xenos fought, bled and die side by side with humans as proof of their loyalty.
Once we have actual proof that our xenos are willing to die in the Bastion's name, then simply present any pro-xenos crystals as rewards for those who prove their loyalty to Man.
Like that, those xenos who have stood by humanity the most will have specific crystals done for them, and the newest xenos polities will have something to work toward and encourage them to stay loyal.
What we need, is to appear to the Emperor as merely a leader wishing to reward her people's loyalty and hard work- whether they may be humans or xenos doesn't matter as long as they are loyal and contribute to the Bastion.
Going too quickly however will make Serras look like a naive (if well-intentioned) child to Big E, who will naturally feel like she simply needs to be taught better than to trust everyone- and he isn't wrong.
We ARE basically doing the equivalent of welcoming total strangers in our home. Viewed like that, our "if they can be reasonned with, let's bring them in!" policy of integration WOULD seems naive.
Thoughts?
- Location
- Germany
we need to talking with him in general ...
Emps might not appear like it, but i think he is one of the people that need to talk about the past and maybe some help to work through it.
Haveing a perfect memory and the Age of Strife + Iron wars* likely left some deep scars.
In general we really need the two to talk with each other. For one that might help out with emps not telling people about what he is doing / trust, but it also should also us to keep the worst case from happeing (the two end up trying to kill each other over something).
* the amount of mental damage this likely did to him could be a very good explanation about alot of things emps did / didn´t do including him not being a good parent in canon.
HatsuZ
Phantom Thief
- Location
- Over the rainbow!
It occurs to me that Emps would have seen a lot of people die and possibly not bother to make friends with people... so I doubt that acting as a father would be something he'd be good at. He would be more comfortable as a military commander.
And unlike the Primarchs, he would never have had someone on his intellectual and physical level to interact with. Malcador would come close, but he's still only mortal...
And unlike the Primarchs, he would never have had someone on his intellectual and physical level to interact with. Malcador would come close, but he's still only mortal...
- Location
- France
Well, I can certainly agree that the two need to pass time with one another.
And the emperor having mental trouble after everything he went through in life, I can believe that too.
I do not believe, however, that he and Serras would ever come to blow like some are worried about- even Magnus, after accidentally destroying the human webway, was only to be brought for questionning, not execution.
Big E is many things, but I doubt that anything short of falling to Chaos would turn him against us like that.
And even then, if we SL him hard, we might end up like canon!Horus to him, and the Emperor almost died rather than kill his, obviously corrupted, beloved son.
- Location
- Florida
Is it wrong that I want an omake crossover between the 'Extra Primarch' verse and the 'Lovehammer' verse?
The two Emperors of Man talking about their daughters that they never expected finding/having would be fun. Especially the interactions between Serras and Usage would be funny!
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
Guys I think were going a bit overboard on how hard were predicting convincing the Emperor to do anything will be. If you look at the actual check we went through to convince him to let us create the Crystal god and break it down in terms of a thought process you can clearly see that he's a very reasonable person especially so in this case as we brought up a topic he's hard line against but he still was willing to hear us out and debate Serras on the topic.
Breaking down all the buffs and debuffs you can clearly see that he deals with the same resistance to new ideas a human does in the form of the -10k but as long as the idea is better then the one he currently holds he'll go along with it this is shown in the +25k we get from pragmatism this makes him much more reasonable and flexible then the majority of humans who would stubbornly cling to their ideals. The only other debuff we get is from how anti-religion he is which should only ever apply to this one topic and is just a topic he's particularly touchy about we all have them although the difference is unlike the Emperor most of us refuse to compromise on it and over time we can most likely persuade him to take a softer stance in regards to this anyways.
So the Emperor appears to be more reasonable then the average person in this case not less like we seem to think so I don't believe we'll have to many problems with the Emperor going forward as long as we are able to present our ideas in a pragmatic fashion that benefits humanity instead of just bringing up "my feelings" as an argument. Although we do still have to remember going forward that the Emperor is still human and that all the faults that come with being one are just as applicable to him as they are to every one else.
Breaking down all the buffs and debuffs you can clearly see that he deals with the same resistance to new ideas a human does in the form of the -10k but as long as the idea is better then the one he currently holds he'll go along with it this is shown in the +25k we get from pragmatism this makes him much more reasonable and flexible then the majority of humans who would stubbornly cling to their ideals. The only other debuff we get is from how anti-religion he is which should only ever apply to this one topic and is just a topic he's particularly touchy about we all have them although the difference is unlike the Emperor most of us refuse to compromise on it and over time we can most likely persuade him to take a softer stance in regards to this anyways.
So the Emperor appears to be more reasonable then the average person in this case not less like we seem to think so I don't believe we'll have to many problems with the Emperor going forward as long as we are able to present our ideas in a pragmatic fashion that benefits humanity instead of just bringing up "my feelings" as an argument. Although we do still have to remember going forward that the Emperor is still human and that all the faults that come with being one are just as applicable to him as they are to every one else.
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- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
So SL the emperor harder then neutronium from a neutron star then, as well as our brother primarch's throughout the bastion's years...would be funny, and awesome at the same time!
- Location
- United states
Jesus, didn't we all agree to never do more than a few invention actions due to how doing too much a few updates ago significantly slowed down the quest updates to literally weeks?
- Location
- Here & There
@The Golden Man
Sounds reasonable. Let's go with that plan when we SL the Emperor.
Sounds reasonable. Let's go with that plan when we SL the Emperor.
Apparently we didn't.
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Problem is we are hitting the glass ceiling for how much we can put into any one action now...
- Location
- U.S.
I heard no disagreements really except from one person on the number of invention projects being done, plus most of the ship porjects can be lumped together.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
We could always devise ways to lower the number of words required to convey the completion of all these invention actions such as through summaries or the completion of checks for Ilbgar so as to allow him to spend time writing about the inventions instead of doing math. You know instead of complaining and then not offering a solution to a continuing problem.
Actually I think I'm going to do that check one to help speed up the writing so I'll be back in a couple hours when I'm done.
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- Here & There
@Red Bovine
Not as an offense but please, next time when you voice this complaint, do it before voting's over. We can't really do much after the fact.
Not as an offense but please, next time when you voice this complaint, do it before voting's over. We can't really do much after the fact.
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- Location
- Reno Nv
I agree, the Checks are half the battle, once that is finished, everything should become easier to write.
- Location
- Germany
i have done a number of check not competly but it should speed it up a bit.
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here the parts i did for the plan it is just how much we get from one action and how much we had in it before the action/s, but it should help :
Electronics Programming + Electronics Security + Education General
20 225 x2 (Electronics check) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 150 (Electronics Programming) + 150 (Electronics Security) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal)= 105850
(500000 - 41750)/105850 = 4.3 -> 5 actions needed to max
20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal)= 95015
(500000 - 13880)/95015 = 5.1 -> 6 actions needed
Anti Corruption Cogitators 36760 (Electronics Wiring + Forging Gear + Education General)
20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal)= 95015
(500000-36760 )/95015 = 4.9 -> 5 actions.
Orichalcix 64440 ( Invention Practiality + Psyker Manipulation + Forging Gear)
9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 71 965 (Invention check) +210 (Invention Practicality) + 28 860 (Psyker check) + 335 (Psyker Manipulation) + 10000 (Crystal) = 120910
(500000-64440)/120910 = 3.6 -> 4 actions needed
Ship design 144860 (Forging: Armour + Electronics: Wiring + Invention: Necessity)
71 965 (Invention check) +210 (Invention Necessity) + 20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Armour ) + 10000 (Crystal) = 112090
(500 000-144860 )/112090 = 3.2 -> 4 actions needed
20 225 x2 (Electronics check) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 150 (Electronics Programming) + 150 (Electronics Security) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal)= 105850
(500000 - 41750)/105850 = 4.3 -> 5 actions needed to max
20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal)= 95015
(500000 - 13880)/95015 = 5.1 -> 6 actions needed
Anti Corruption Cogitators 36760 (Electronics Wiring + Forging Gear + Education General)
20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal)= 95015
(500000-36760 )/95015 = 4.9 -> 5 actions.
Replicator Efficiency 69540 /500000 (Forging Gear + Electronics Wiring + Education General)
20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal) = 95015
(500000 - 69540)/95015= 4.5 -> 5 actions needed
20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 47 640 (Workshop) + 7 140 (Education check) + 320 (Education general) + 10000 (Crystal) = 95015
(500000 - 69540)/95015= 4.5 -> 5 actions needed
Orichalcix 64440 ( Invention Practiality + Psyker Manipulation + Forging Gear)
9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 71 965 (Invention check) +210 (Invention Practicality) + 28 860 (Psyker check) + 335 (Psyker Manipulation) + 10000 (Crystal) = 120910
(500000-64440)/120910 = 3.6 -> 4 actions needed
Reactors 55220 (Invention Practiality+Forging Gear + Electronics Wiring)
71 965 (Invention check) +210 (Invention Practicality) +9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 10000 (Crystal) = 112090
(500 000 - 55220 )/112090=4.0 -> 4 actions needed
71 965 (Invention check) +210 (Invention Practicality) +9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Gear) + 20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 10000 (Crystal) = 112090
(500 000 - 55220 )/112090=4.0 -> 4 actions needed
Ship design 144860 (Forging: Armour + Electronics: Wiring + Invention: Necessity)
71 965 (Invention check) +210 (Invention Necessity) + 20 225 (Electronics check) + 150 (Electronics Wiring ) + 9 340 ( Forging check) + 200 ( Forging Armour ) + 10000 (Crystal) = 112090
(500 000-144860 )/112090 = 3.2 -> 4 actions needed
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- Location
- Reno Nv
We just need one for the crystles, they are catch all for most of the plan
- Location
- United states
You know legit complaints are a thing and people have pointed out that we have way too many actions as is and getting even more is just going to cause more issues? In fact people have pointed out that we can just limit how many actions we can take. Another thing is that I have seen many quests suffer serious issues with having too many actions to do at once including unbalancing the quest and making the players way too powerful way too fast.