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Even if it take us a couple of years- or even a decade or two- before we can talk to him, by the time of canon!Heresy we will no doubt have him at SL10 without much difficulty I believe.
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Or at least keep the events that lead to his homeworld burning from happening. If we can't even do that at least at like the big sister we are and force Guilliman and Lorgar to make up. Guilliman took way too many decades to apologize behind closed rooms.
I support the current plan of "being too big to deal with." I want us to be similar to Guilliman's 500 worlds and the Adeptus Mechanicus in having a distinct culture that's still accepted in the Imperium because we're more useful as allies than enemies.
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[X] Plan Why Serras Should Not(?) Drink Recaff
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Sir LagsAlot
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It would be better to continuously convince him to give the Bastion an increasing amount of autonomy from the Imperium as time goes on.
You know or pragmatically convince him that since the Bastion is larger it would be easier on the mortals if the Bastion and Imperium agreed on mutual integration and publicly announced that the Emperor and the Primarchs would rule in a council like format with the Emperor as it's head due to him being our father. This way everyone gets along and all the Primarchs including us have a say in the Imperiums government plus we could probably convince Emps to make us his second on the council or something.
We might even be able to use this to help train up mortal governors later on so that we can lessen both our workload and that of the other Primarchs and Emperor so that we can focus on more important things such as R&D and the leading of campaigns.
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Weren't we already doing that with our government and administration systems?
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Wasn't the Emperor's plan to eventually let regular humans rule themselves? We (The Bastion) could serve as training ground for highly qualified leaders amongst Mankind.
Sir LagsAlot
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Were personally helping to train top level administrators and allowing them to observe us in our day to day governing when were not even a part of the government currently?
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We do have an impressive education system.
Not personally, our systems are meant to train people for us.
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Sir LagsAlot
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Ya it was that is why I was pointing towards that as a benefit of the council idea as it would make the transfer of government much smoother then it would be from an Imperial type government.
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*Using ClapTrap Voice*
And Tally!
And Tally!
Adhoc vote count started by Lone Courier 6 on Mar 23, 2018 at 2:43 PM, finished with 238 posts and 19 votes.
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[x] Plan Why Serras Should Not(?) Drink Recaff
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[X] Perk Plan Psychic Goody Two Shoes and Extravagance:
- [X] Speech: Diplomacy: 180 Perk. Solid Honor. Your word isn't considered legal tender, but... Provides a bonus to Speech Checks 6 times Karma. Requires Good Reputation.
- [X] Education: Advanced: 100 Perk. Omni-Doctorate II. You have the kind of intellect and knowledge that the vast majority of people simply can't follow your conversation unless you intentionally alter your vocabulary to compensate. +900 to all Checks. Must have Omni-Doctorate.
- [X] Education: Advanced: 120 Perk. Omni-Doctorate III. You have the kind of intellect and knowledge that the vast majority of people simply can't follow your conversation unless you intentionally alter your vocabulary to compensate. +1000 to all Checks. Must have Omni-Doctorate II.
- [X] Education: Cultural Analysis: 100 Perk. Comrades. You can absorb polities much larger than your own with ease. +15 Free Integration actions. Requires Prepare To Be Uplifted!
- [X] Education: Cultural Analysis: 120 Perk. Comrades II. You can absorb polities that much larger than your own with ease. +20 Free Integration actions. Requires Comrades.
- [X] Education: Seer: 100 Perk. Esoteric Craft. Your knack is developing into a full-fledged style for creating things from/using Warp energy, and discovering new ways to do so. +1800 to Psyker Checks. Requires Esoteric Skillset.
- [X] Education: Seer: 120 Perk. Esoteric Craft II. Your knack is developing into a full-fledged style for creating things from/using Warp energy, and discovering new ways to do so. +2000 to Psyker Checks. Requires Esoteric Craft.
- [X] Psyker: Sorcery: 100 Perk. Omni-Manipulation V. You've reached the skill level of the absolute peak of known Omnimancers, which is generally about the level most psykers achieve in the field they focus on. +1800 to Combat, Tactics, Medicine, Electronics, Invention, and Explosives Checks. Requires Requires Omni-Manipulation IV.
- [X] Psyker: Sorcery: 120 Perk. Omni-Manipulation VI. You've gone beyond absolute peak of known Omnimancers, which is generally about the level most psykers achieve in the field they focus on, as you are no ordinary psyker. +2000 to Combat, Tactics, Medicine, Electronics, Invention, and Explosives Checks. Requires Requires Omni-Manipulation V.
- [X] Invention: Necessity: 100 Perk. Hidden Pockets. Having a trick up your sleeve is rather literal in your case. +25 to all Checks from hidden weapons and tools. Additional 'slots' for accessory-type equipment.
- [X] Invention: Practical: 100 Perk. Much Better. You can always provide better materials than what was asked for, or make them. All materials below are considered one grade higher than they actually are.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 60 Perk. That Should Have Been Destroyed! Not with how much I spent on it! Durability of Extravagant items is doubled, after extravagant bonus is applied.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 80 Perk. Over-Engineered. Extravagant items perform even better if you put more effort into them, rather than just more resources. 25% increase in boost to specs provided by Extravagance.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 100 Perk. Castle... On Top Of Your Castle. If it weren't so effective, you'd think it was stupid too. 50% increase in boost to specs provided by Extravagance.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 140 Perk. Worth It's Weight In Gold. While using actual gold would be stupid, painting it gold is fine, and helps denote how insanely expensive it was. +10% to Extravagant builds. Requires 1 of preceding Perks.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 160 Perk. Totally Worth It! Despite how incredibly expensive it was, the product is proving it's worth. +10% to Extravagant builds. Requires 2 of preceding Perks.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 180 Perk. Worth More Than Gold. This thing makes gold seem downright cheap. Let's hope it was worth it. +25% to Extravagant builds. Requires 3 of preceding Perks.
- [X] Invention: Extravagance: 200 Perk. Extravagant. While Extravagant items are expensive, they are also worth it for exceptional people, such as the Champions or yourself. +50% to Extravagant bonus. Requires 4 of preceding Perks.
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[X] [Invention] Improve Gellar Fields x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Void Shields Emitter x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Reactors x4
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[X] [Invention] Improve Transistors x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Programming x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Cogitator x6
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[X] [Invention] Improve Anti Corruption Cogitator x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Gellar Field Rune Combo x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Scale Weapons x3
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[X] [Invention] Improve Orichalcix x4
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[X] [Invention] Improve Psychic Choir x7
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[X] [Invention] Improve Booster Crystals x6
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[X] [Invention] Improve Warp Navigation Gear x4
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[X] [Invention] Improve Personal Wargear x3
[X] [Integration] Improve Policy x7
[X] [Integration] The Android Situation (x25): Figure out how to integrate them fully without issues from the Mechanicum. Find out why they could not make more of themselves.
[X] [Integration] Tour the Bastion Sector (x20): We have all these shiny new planets, and we want to know more about their worlds and their people.
-[X] Network with very important people!
-[X] Visit cultural heritage sites of various planets!
-[X] Find out the unique exports of various planets!
-[X] Release the Propaganda Machine!
-[X] Greet the peasants!
[X] [Integration] Improve the Guard Command and Fleet Command. (x25): While you might rewritten the manual on warfare several times, it won't do any good if the admirals and generals in your army have not studied them to heart, or if your army and navy themselves are not organized enough to follow their commands.
-[X] Improve the organization standards of our army and navy.
-[X] Set up Academies to train recruited officers and troops.
-[X] Increase recruitment drive for our army and navy.
-[X] Set up War games to promote combat readiness.
-[X] Promote meritocracy within our army and navy.
[X] [Integration] Improve the Scientific Enterprise (x20): Improve existing R&D organizations, bringing the research capabilities of our polity slightly closer to Serras.
-[X] Improve integration between classical scientists, tech-priests, quarian technicians, and various tech-sects within Bastion.
-[X] Improve protocols for resource allocation, research sharing, vetting, and safeguard.
[X] [Integration] Improve Internal Security and Intelligence to counteract sabotage/traitors/spies/criminals (x30)
[X] [Integration] Diplomacy (x12)
[X] [Survey] (x62)
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[X] [Survey] Go personally hunting for xenotech/archaeotech caches, relics, ruins, etc. The Bastion will NEED better technology for the upcoming WAAAAAGH, and the ancients AND various long gone xeno civilizations both had some...interesting toys.
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[X] [Invention] Improve Void Shields x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Replicator Efficiency x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Designs x4
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Diplomacy
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Education
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Medicine
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Healing (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Evasion
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[X] [Booster] Free Booster Crystal on Control
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[X] [Minor] [Train Stats] Learning (x4)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Electronics: Security (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Combat: Stealth (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Perception: Environment (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Surgery (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Narcotics (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: First-Aid (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Military (x5)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Industry (x5)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Luxury (x5)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Magnus (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Rogal Dorn (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Mehtrya (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Albert Salnus (x2) (max out parent SL and Speech)
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Temperance (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Morality (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Justice (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Compassion (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Integrity (N)
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Willpower (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Creativity (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Emotion (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Memory (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Heart (L)
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Mind (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Patience
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Preservance
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Bravery
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Humanity
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Wisdom (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Learning (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Improvement (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Perception
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Speech
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Defense (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Combat
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Intrigue
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Control
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Power
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[x] Plan: tri2 Shark 2: Sharky Boogaloo
-[x] Convert 11 major actions to 22 minor actions
-[x] [Tag] Combat: Stealth
-[x] [Tag] Electronics: Security
-[x] Speak With Father.
-[x] Webway Patrol. (x10)
-[x] Looking For Your Brothers.
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Invention
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Psyker
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Forging
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Administration
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Mobility
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Cleanse
-[X] [Advance] Detection (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Survival (L)
-[X] [Advance] Time (L)
-[X] [Advance] Space (L)
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Durability (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Energy (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Light (U)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Holy (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Structural Integrity (L)
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[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Luck (L)
-[X] [Advance] Concealment (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Stealth (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Warding(N)
-[X] [Advance] Speed (N)
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[X] [Invention] Improve Material Science x3
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[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Laser x5
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[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Plasma x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Kinetic Weapons x5
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so again anything I need to change? here is the vote
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Combat: Stealth (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Perception: Environment (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Surgery (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Narcotics (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: First-Aid (x3)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Military (x5)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Industry (x5)
[X] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Luxury (x5)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Magnus (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Rogal Dorn (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Mehtrya (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Albert Salnus (x2) (max out parent SL and Speech)
37 free minor actions converted to 74 research actions
50 Invention Actions+74 = 124
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Temperance (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Morality (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Justice (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Compassion (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Integrity (N)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Willpower (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Creativity (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Emotion (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Memory (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Heart (L)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Mind (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Patience
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Preservance
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Bravery
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Humanity
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Wisdom (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Learning (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Improvement (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Speech
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Perception
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Sophont
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Diplomacy
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Education
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Healing (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Medicine
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Evasion
-[X] [Advance] Defense (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Combat
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Control
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Power
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Invention
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Psyker
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Forging
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Administration
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Mobility
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Cleanse
-[X] [Advance] Detection (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Survival (L)
-[X] [Advance] Time (L)
-[X] [Advance] Space (L)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Advance] Durability (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Energy (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Light (U)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Holy (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Structural Integrity (L)
[X] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Luck (L)
-[X] [Advance] Concealment (N)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Stealth (L)
-[X] [Create] [Advance] Warding(N)
-[X] [Advance] Speed (N)
[X] [Invention] Improve Material Science x3
[X ] [Invention] Improve Sensors x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Laser x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Plasma x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Kinetic Weapons x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Replicator Efficiency x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Designs x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Ship Scale Weapons x3
[X] [Invention] Improve Void Shields x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Void Shields Emitter x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Reactors x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Transistors x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Programming x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Cogitator x6
[X] [Invention] Improve Anti Corruption Cogitator x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Gellar Fields x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Gellar Field Rune Combo x5
[X] [Invention] Improve Orichalcix x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Psychic Choir x7
[X] [Invention] Improve Booster Crystals x6
[X] [Invention] Improve Warp Navigation Gear x4
[X] [Invention] Improve Personal Wargear x3
Integration Actions (x139)
[X] [Integration] Improve Policy x7
[X] [Integration] The Android Situation (x25): Figure out how to integrate them fully without issues from the Mechanicum. Find out why they could not make more of themselves.
[X] [Integration] Tour the Bastion Sector (x20): We have all these shiny new planets, and we want to know more about their worlds and their people.
-[X] Network with very important people!
-[X] Visit cultural heritage sites of various planets!
-[X] Find out the unique exports of various planets!
-[X] Release the Propaganda Machine!
-[X] Greet the peasants!
[X] [Integration] Improve the Guard Command and Fleet Command. (x25): While you might rewritten the manual on warfare several times, it won't do any good if the admirals and generals in your army have not studied them to heart, or if your army and navy themselves are not organized enough to follow their commands.
-[X] Improve the organization standards of our army and navy.
-[X] Set up Academies to train recruited officers and troops.
-[X] Increase recruitment drive for our army and navy.
-[X] Set up War games to promote combat readiness.
-[X] Promote meritocracy within our army and navy.
[X] [Integration] Improve the Scientific Enterprise (x20): Improve existing R&D organizations, bringing the research capabilities of our polity slightly closer to Serras.
-[X] Improve integration between classical scientists, tech-priests, quarian technicians, and various tech-sects within Bastion.
-[X] Improve protocols for resource allocation, research sharing, vetting, and safeguard.
[X] [Integration] Improve Internal Security and Intelligence to counteract sabotage/traitors/spies/criminals (x30)
[X] [Integration] Diplomacy (x12)
Survey Actions (x62)
[X] [Survey] (x62)
Might as well get it over with, 50 crystals and birth the god now,
Reasoning that the emperor can accept: The longer it gestates the higher the chance chaos can stumble across its vulnerable form or crack the secrets of our crystals. Plus he is not doing anything immediately urgent right now so he can supervise as the immediate benefits from the god being born will pay back the time invested.
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Looks good, next turn, we need to make our weapons and all mundane Tech, even better.
Lone Courier 6
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Do we want Sophont or humanity first?
Sophont sounds more like Serras
Sophont sounds more like Serras
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Speaking of talking with the Emperor, how long until they meet, Serras and him? I mean, there is an entrance within the Webway on Terra, and with the Bastion cleaning out said Webway, we will soon be able to use it to go quickly from Terra to the Bastion.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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Sorry to bother you if you saw it already ilbgar123 but could I get an answer for my earlier question it's important for the checks as it might apply a potent +500 to a lot of them:
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nope, the Emperor was MAKING a webway entrance and network connection. imagine the webway like a mineshaft. Big E was tunneling in from the side, making his own hidden shaft to connect to the main shaft with the surface entrance being terra
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That's the idea. It's utterly shameful that we have the words as simple as "improved" and "advanced" in our bonus section.
Humanity first as a way to appease and compromise to the Emperor. Sophont after his inspection partly to spite him, partly to benefit Serras' beliefs and partly to aid all alien races.
It shouldn't be too long after the Ork Waaghs. He did say he'll meet us personally by the time we're in our 30's to 50's. If we're going to him we could get lucky with our Webway rolls and find a quick route to the Solar System.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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Humanity it will make the Emperor friendlier when he talks to it after the first 15 Crystals.
Edit: Ninjaed by the Slaaneshi cultist with the record for worlds longest tongue.
Real life experience trumps almost anything you learn in a class room and we need the top administrators that will be running our government to be as effective as possible in order to smooth over the transition of power.
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Maybe? But there IS an entrance within the Sol System- the latest Canon material show that, what with the whole battle between the primarchs on Luna during the whole Gathering Storm thing.
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Not just classrooms, we (probably) also have live training, apprenticeship and other ways for people to have working knowledge of how to run things.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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Yes but is it as effective as shadowing Primarchs and the Emperor for decades to prepare your self to govern a galaxy spanning empire in a council with a very small number of individuals? Were not trying to pump out a mass number of administrators with this action just create a select few skilled enough to be able to run the Imperium at the highest level efficiently.
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The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Ilbgar said you couldn't teach karma. High karma is a necessary part of my plan.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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Having good morals leads to more Karma and the rate at which you receive Karma probably increases the more Karma Crystals you have on you ergo what I laid out would be an effective method of gaining Karma for an individual. Also this doesn't violate the rules as the Karma gains are just a side effect of the lesson.
What tri2 said, the MoI were made to be the soldiers for humanity, sure there were probably enhanced human soldiers as well but the MoI would have been far greater in number and likely more visible.
As for why the aliens wouldn't see humans and machines fighting, not every planet would need guards anyway.